View Poll Results: Where do I go from here? (now that all of the children have grown up...)
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Build the X
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No one wants a $60k evo with high monthly payments, get out now and buy a 9.
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05-03-2010
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#401
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Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Cottage Grove, MN
Posts: 2,120
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Re: Dave's Evo X Build
I appreciate the kind words sir, I think we've got the best of both worlds here
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05-03-2010
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#402
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Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Lino Lakes
Drives: 17 Honda Accord
Posts: 4,041
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Re: Dave's Evo X Build
^Sounds good Chris, thanks for the response. Any chance on you guys wanting to do a 2.2L overbore motor to compete with AMS's...
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05-03-2010
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#403
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Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Cottage Grove, MN
Posts: 2,120
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Re: Dave's Evo X Build
We can do anything you desire sir
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05-03-2010
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#404
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Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Lino Lakes
Drives: 17 Honda Accord
Posts: 4,041
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Re: Dave's Evo X Build
I think a trip over there to talk with you is inline. I will wait for your email response and go from there.
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05-05-2010
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#405
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Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Lino Lakes
Drives: 17 Honda Accord
Posts: 4,041
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Re: Dave's Evo X Build
Initial Build Plans, rough idea:
shortblock machine work (bore / hone / resurface), shortblock assembly from bare block, cylinder head tear down / valve job / resurface / re-assembly, longblock assembly from complete shortblock, engine removal and re-installation)
Manley I Beam Rods, Wiseco Pistons (possibly wosner ones), Cosworth Bearings, OEM Head Gasket, ARP Head Studs, OEM Oil Pump, Cosworth Dual Valve Springs / Retainers, Supertech 1mm+ Valves)
Then of course we need to source a block from somewhere...and I am praying my head is ok.
The cosworth cams will be for sale too most likely...swapping them for something a bit more aggressive, probably GSC2's.
Scheides, im looking at you, want some cams
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05-05-2010
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#406
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flips McGee
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Re: Dave's Evo X Build
Nooooo! Stock cams ftw! I gotta show you guys how to make power on a simple setup
Might be interested though, lmk what you want for them
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Originally Posted by Murlo26
I need to listen to Scheides more often i think :)
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Originally Posted by turbotalon1g
...I realized that I can't keep up my shit talking without anything to back it up.
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Originally Posted by JV
S2000: For those of us that know the Miata is the best car on the planet, but also want extra power and to not have to turn in our man cards.
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Last edited by scheides; 05-05-2010 at 09:26 AM..
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05-05-2010
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#407
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Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Lino Lakes
Drives: 17 Honda Accord
Posts: 4,041
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Re: Dave's Evo X Build
Honestly I haven't seen much that proves aftermarket cams helps a ton on the X's. Maybe on pump gas, but on e85 it seems that you can already max the setup out. So if you plan to stick with pump, then i would think the cosworths would help for sure. On Buschurs dom2 setup on pump they picked up 40whp/40wtq on their dyno, which is what convinced me to buy them.
I will let you know if i sell them
Edit: honestly, i thought my setup was pretty damn simple...especially my stock turbo setup, i only upgraded what was needed, aside from cams which i was a test bunny for everyone to see if it helped the stock turbo at all, which it didn't.
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05-05-2010
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#408
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formerly ecoli
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: On the dyno
Posts: 4,892
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Re: Dave's Evo X Build
People made the same claims about Cosworth and other cams for the 9's when cams for them first cam out. But, if you took an actually decent running already tuned 9 though and put in some of the aftermarket 9 cams, it was hard to tell if they even did anything at all, even after trying a lot of different MIVEC settings. It seems like often for newer platforms Cosworth is the first to the party, there are some big claims made, other people can't replicate it and a year later nobody is using the Cosworth stuff at all.
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05-05-2010
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#409
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*Resting In Peace*
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Heaven
Drives: 94 Plymouth Acclaim/2008 EvoX
Posts: 2,430
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Re: Dave's Evo X Build
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Originally Posted by scheides
Nooooo! Stock cams ftw! I gotta show you guys how to make power on a simple setup
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Yeah, please school Shane so he can get it right.
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Originally Posted by ecoli
it was hard to tell if they even did anything at all
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It's true that they don't seem to do much on E85. I've seen some fairly dramatic pump tune differences, especially the lousy Cali 91.
I bought mine as a musical instrument.
Last edited by mlomker; 05-05-2010 at 10:24 AM..
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05-05-2010
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#410
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flips McGee
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Re: Dave's Evo X Build
LOL, that's not what I meant. Plan for my car is to rock most of what I got, throw on a little bigger snail, stick with pump and stock cams, see what it does. Just about time for my own project thread I think.
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Originally Posted by Murlo26
I need to listen to Scheides more often i think :)
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Originally Posted by turbotalon1g
...I realized that I can't keep up my shit talking without anything to back it up.
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Originally Posted by JV
S2000: For those of us that know the Miata is the best car on the planet, but also want extra power and to not have to turn in our man cards.
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05-05-2010
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#411
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Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Lino Lakes
Drives: 17 Honda Accord
Posts: 4,041
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Re: Dave's Evo X Build
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Originally Posted by scheides
LOL, that's not what I meant. Plan for my car is to rock most of what I got, throw on a little bigger snail, stick with pump and stock cams, see what it does. Just about time for my own project thread I think.
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Go dom2! I have always wanted to see a local dom2 setup sincei i don't trust internet numbers. The dom2 has always seemed to own on pump. The bbx seems nice too, but i think the dom2 is very solid
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05-05-2010
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#412
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*Resting In Peace*
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Heaven
Drives: 94 Plymouth Acclaim/2008 EvoX
Posts: 2,430
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Re: Dave's Evo X Build
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Originally Posted by Murlo26
The bbx seems nice too, but i think the dom2 is very solid
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He was already talking BBX and it is putting down some nice pump numbers.
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05-05-2010
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#413
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Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Lino Lakes
Drives: 17 Honda Accord
Posts: 4,041
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Re: Dave's Evo X Build
Yes it is pretty solid, but like we have both said, until we see it on Shane's dyno I am not convinced. I still don't like that GST squeezed more out of a dom2 on e85 than the bbx.
There is also the newer bbx that is smaller that only spools like 250rpm's later than the stocker.
I look forward anxiously to your results!
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05-05-2010
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#414
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flips McGee
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Re: Dave's Evo X Build
^careful not to base all opinions of a turbo, cams, or any other part on one particular data set. Everything needs to be taken with perspective. No dom2 for me, chad is already chomping at the bit to build a bbx (full) for me, that's what I want. Enough about me though, this is dave's thread!
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Originally Posted by Murlo26
I need to listen to Scheides more often i think :)
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Originally Posted by turbotalon1g
...I realized that I can't keep up my shit talking without anything to back it up.
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Originally Posted by JV
S2000: For those of us that know the Miata is the best car on the planet, but also want extra power and to not have to turn in our man cards.
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05-05-2010
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#415
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Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Lino Lakes
Drives: 17 Honda Accord
Posts: 4,041
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Re: Dave's Evo X Build
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Originally Posted by scheides
^careful not to base all opinions of a turbo, cams, or any other part on one particular data set. Everything needs to be taken with perspective. No dom2 for me, chad is already chomping at the bit to build a bbx (full) for me, that's what I want. Enough about me though, this is dave's thread!
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It's all good talk though, X turbo stuff
I don't know if it is my mood today or what...but if I can find the right buyer for my car, buying a used 9 is looking tempting.
It would be cheaper and I wouldn't have downtime. Plus I could get away with no second car for now.
So much crap is running through my brain it's unreal...i haven't been able to focus at work all week. Just keep thinking about what the hell I want to do.
I would love to buy Kracka's car honestly...very very very tempting.
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05-05-2010
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#416
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*Resting In Peace*
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Heaven
Drives: 94 Plymouth Acclaim/2008 EvoX
Posts: 2,430
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Re: Dave's Evo X Build
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Originally Posted by scheides
bbx (full) for me, that's what i want.
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ftw!
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Originally Posted by Murlo26
I still don't like that GST squeezed more out of a dom2 on e85 than the bbx.
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There's only been one E85 car that I know of and he said right in the post that it was a weak X based on the previous tune. I won't be pushing my car as hard as you do so I'm not sure if my results will impress anybody.
Last edited by mlomker; 05-05-2010 at 10:54 AM..
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05-05-2010
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#417
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Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Blaine, MN
Drives: '91 Automagic
Posts: 13,908
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Re: Dave's Evo X Build
lmao, its on the internet its so true!!
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05-05-2010
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#418
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Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Lino Lakes
Drives: 17 Honda Accord
Posts: 4,041
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Re: Dave's Evo X Build
Lomker, I think your car will make good power..i would expect 430+ for sure, especially with your head work and intake mani etc etc.
I wouldn't be surprised to see it crack 450 either.
But it is for sure unknown in my mind where it will land..shanes dyno is a tough one to crack.
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05-05-2010
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#419
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Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Lino Lakes
Drives: 17 Honda Accord
Posts: 4,041
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Re: Dave's Evo X Build
The more I think about my situation...the more I change my mind.
I am pretty set on my decision as of now...but here is what I am thinking. I have two options, well three if you count build the motor, which still might happen (probably 35% chance).
I think it is hard to justify a damn near $60k evo. I would love one, but frankly, i don't want to invest that much, at least not all at once. Maybe on a car i have owned for 4 years, but not all at once.
So I am thinking of trying to sell it as is to a mechanically inclined person to drop in a shortblock/longblock.
Or buy a ralliart long block, take off all the parts that I can and convert it back to stock. Then when it is stock, sell the bastard, I am sure I could get a good price for it running, in stock form.
I know for sure I don't want a stock evo X...they are too porky to be fun at in stock form. So once I sell it, an evo 9 will be found.
The 9 is lighter and has a bigger stock turbo. So I honestly think an evo 9 on e85 would be able to satisfy me. And if not...i would build the motor first, then upgrade it, but that wouldn't be for a while. I would still have mivec too which would be nice.
So we will see what happens.
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05-05-2010
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#420
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*Resting In Peace*
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Heaven
Drives: 94 Plymouth Acclaim/2008 EvoX
Posts: 2,430
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Re: Dave's Evo X Build
If a nice IX weren't selling for $2k less than a X then I'd see the logic.
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