CBRD/Blouche BBK/BBK Lite turbo for Evo 8/9

[Halon]

Never thought I'd see the day Congrats!!

[scheides]

Same car as above:



Also, ripping this from evoM:

Originally Posted by kreionic

**UPDATED 12-02-08**
OK i saw in the other threads people were asking for a new thread with results from it. So this thread is for people to post dyno sheet, if you drag race them post up the times. As the more of them get out there please post up your results and i will update the first post so its all on the first post on the first page.

1- Kreionic- IX
mods-CBRD BBK full Buschur stage 3 head, Buschur race FMIC, buschur licp, JM fabrication uicp, gsc S2 cams, JM fabrications SMIM, tbe, intake, FIC850s ,stock TB, stock bottom end, stock ecu, 100% pump gas 27psi, no alky/meth or race gas
Dyno-CBRD mustang dyno



2-CBRD_Caleb-IX
mods-Full CBRD BBK turbo, Buschur Race FMIC, Buschur licp, Perrin intake, PTE 780 injectors, JM Fabrication exhaust manifold, TBE, stock uicp, TB, intake mani, stock head, stock ecu, stock CAMS, 100% pump gas 29psi, no alky/meth or race gas
Dyno-CBRD mustang dyno



3-Phenem -VIII
mods-CBRD BBK Lite (soon to be BBK Full), 2.3L stroker, GSC S1 cams, GSC valve springs w/ retainers, PPI ported exhaust manifold, BR Race FMIC, ETS piping, MAFT Translator, Dynatek CDI, stock ECU, stock head, stock intake manifold, stock TB, 100% pump gas 28psi no alky/meth or race gas (blowing out a spark badly can see it in the graph)
Dyno-CBRD mustang dyno



4-Graphite_MR -IX
mods-Full CBRD BBK turbo, Bushur head, ETS 3" fmic, Weapon R intercooler piping, HKS Intake, swain coated manifold and o2 housing, Ported tbody and manifold, TBE, 780 injectors, stock ecu, 100% pump gas 23.5psi no alky/meth or race gas
Dyno-CBRD mustang dyno



5-liam11-VIII
mods-BBK full, Megan O2 housing, JM fab exhaust manifold, Megan Downpipe, Megan resonated test pipe, Cobb catback, 780 PTE's, Perrin Intake, Vibrant filter, BR FMIC, BR head, BR IC pipes, 100% pump gas 27psi no alky/meth or race gas
Dyno-CBRD mustang dyno

This graph is overlayed with his previous turbo (modified garrett 30R ish turbo)
Solid lines are the BBK, Dotted are 30rish turbo


6-Cali2MDevo8-VIII
mods-CBRD bbk with ported hotside, br ported manifold, GSC S1 o2 housing, turboback, ets fmic, ets piping and intake, 23.3psi no alky/meth or race gas
Dyno-CBRD mustang dyno

This graph is overlayed with stock turbo same mods, and boost


7-bwesley82-IX
mods-CBRD bbk, JAM stage 1 head, Cossie M2's, turboback, catless, avcr, CBRD fmic, 780 injectors, LICP, and perrin intake, 24.2psi no alky/meth or race gas
Dyno-CBRD mustang dyno



8-evodood-IX
mods-CBRD full bbk, 2.75" Tanabe Downpipe, 3" Agency Power catback, RRE rally cat (resonated test pipe), Titek V2, tubular 02 housing, Ported stock exhaust manifold, GST open cone air filter, Perrin FMIC, AMS LICP, Cosworth M2 mivec cams, FIC "BlueMax" 1250cc injectors, Denso IKH24 spark plugs (1 heat range colder), Walboro fuel pump (single), GM 3 port boost solenoid using ECU-controlled boost. 91 octane dotted line 25.1 psi, E85 solid lines 30.2psi
Dyno- GST mustang dyno

BBK turbo 91 dotted line (25.1 psi), E85 solid lines(30.2psi)


new graph


9-blueprint-VIII
mods-BBK full, Greddy Evo Exhaust, Megan downpipe testpipe, MFQ Ported exhaust manifold, Full injen intake (LICP/UICP),Hallman MBC, Denso 720cc Injectors, ARP Headstuds, Tomei Procam 270 Cams, Walbro 255 Fuel pump
Dyno-MQF dyno dynamics



Info on the turbo can be found here
http://forums.evolutionm.net/showthread.php?t=379854




Like i said i will keep updating this post as the more of them get out there. This is just a start

[scheides]

Check out this bitchin comparison bryan@GST just did:
http://forums.evolutionm.net/evo-dyn...ock-turbo.html

Stock IX turbo swapped out for a BBK:

[scheides]

There's a whole pile of results on this thing over the last year, figure I'd update this since it is still IMHO the bee's knees:

Crazy build:
4g64 Engine w/ Evo IX head..
Cosworth Cams
CBRD BBK Full Turbo @ 30psi
Buschur Double Pumper w/ 1200cc Injectors
E85 pump Fuel
Buschur Ported Intake Manifold & TB
Buschur Ported Exhaust Manifold
Stock 02 Housing
DC Sports Downpipe / Test Pipe
AWD Mini Battery Kit
AWD UICP & LICP
Stock fuel Rail
Stock Ignition
Stock Ecu w/ MAF Tuned By: Diiirk

http://forums.evolutionm.net/evo-dyn...bbk-turbo.html


Here are some results of the cbrd bbk in northern california. Some more info can be found @ http://evoempire.org/index.php/topic...d-bbk-results/

91 Octane:

PhoPoweR 2004 Evo 8 - BBK Full / 2.0 / 91 octane / 358whp/318wtq


Stevo8 2003 Evo 8 - BBK Full / 2.0 / 91 octane / 369whp/327wtq

Mods:
STEVO8 Spec ported BBK Full turbo
STEVO8 Spec ported Exhaust mani & Intake mani
Kelford 272's
Blox cam gears -2/-4
Forge WGA
Tomei BOV
AEM intake tube W/Perrin filter & vibrant maf adapter
ETS uicp
AMS licp
Perrin fmic
Milspec 65mm TB
AMS fuel rail
RC1200cc injectors
Titek V1 O2 housing
megan 3" DP
testpipe
3" catback with 16" resonator & muffler delete
Zeitronix Wideband
GM 3port boost solenoid using ECU-controlled boost
Stock motor
Stock MAF
Stock ECU

GST Motorsports custom dyno tune
Tephra V5 map switching (EcuFlash)
91 oct / E85 maps



E85 Ethanol:

Lqdchkn 2006 Evo 9 - BBK SPL / 2.3 / e85 ethanol / 476whp/464wtq



helloyellowevo
Mods:
BBK Full
HKS intake and induction pipe
HKS SSQV Bov
3" TBE no cat
Titek 02 housing
Generic FMIC
Nisei UICP
LICP
Walboro FP
RC 1200cc injectors
ARP headstuds
Brian Crower 280 cams
Adjustable Cam Gears
GST 2.3L stroker short block
GM 3port boost solenoid using ECU-controlled boost
Tephra Map switching on stock ECU
helloyellowevo 2003 Evo 8 - BBK Full / 2.3 / e85 ethanol / 415whp/440wtq



Stevo8 2003 Evo 8 - BBK Full / 2.0 / E85 ethanol / 445whp/394wtq




hansolo 2006 Evo 9 MR - BBK Full / 2.0 / E85 ethanol / 429whp/367wtq
Mods:
CBRD BBK Full turbo
Titek 02 housing
TBE 3"
MilSpec Hi-Flow Cat
HKS Mivec Cams
ARP HeadStuds
Springs and retainers
RC 1200cc injectors
Walbro fuel pump
Perrin FMIC
K&N cone filter (stock induction tube)
Injen Upper IC pipe
Lower IC pipe
MilSpec throttle body seals
Crushed OEM BOV
GM 3 port boost solenoid using ECU boost
TephraMods Map switching Rom
Stock ECU
Stock MAF
GST Motorsports tune
E85 and 91 octane tunes



PhoPoweR 2004 Evo 8 - BBK Full / 2.0 / E85 ethanol / 435whp/384wtq
Mods:
CBRD BBK Full Ported
Titek v2 02 Housing
Titek Down Pipe
RRE Rally Cat
Greddy Ti-C
FIC BlueMax 1250cc Injectors
Cosworth 272 M2's
Supertech Valvetrain
ARP Headstuds
Perrin FMIC
AMS LICP
AEM Short Ram Intake
Walboro Fuel Pump
Synchronic BOV
GM Boost Solenoid
Tephra Stock Ecu Map Switching
91 and E85 tunes



JDMevoBOOST 2006 Evo 9 MR - BBK Full / 2.0 / E85 ethanol / 437whp/370wtq
Mods:
Turbo & Exhaust
-CBRD BBK Full Ported
-MIL.Spec ported OEM exhaust mani
-Titek V1 02 housing
-Garage HRS DP
-Rallycat ( resonated test pipe)
-JIC Ti catback

Intake:
-Buschur cone on stock MAF no snorkel or box for these runs
-Speedsource LICP (AMS clone)
-ETS 3" IC
-Samco IC hoses
-MIL.SPEC 65mm T/B and I/M
-Hondata I/M spacer
-Synapse BOV
-Upgraded T/B seals
-GM 3 port boost solenoid

Valvetrain:
-Cosworth M2
-Supertech single springs and Ti retainers
-JAM non-tick lifters
-HKS Camgear

Fuel Delivery:
-FIC 1450cc
-single walboro

Spark:
-Denso IKH24
-Sun Hyperforce

Clutch:
-Exedy Twin Ceremetallic
-AMS clutch Lines
-MAP clutch fork stopper

E85 gizmos:
-GM Flex Fuel Sensor
-Zeitronix ZT2
-Zeitronix ECA (Measured 79% Ethanol for this tuning session)

GST Motorsports custom dyno tune
Tephra V7 map switching and biggie maps (EcuFlash)
91 oct / E85 maps

[scheides]

Seems like an IX can spool up to like 25psi by like 3300rpm with cams, good god!

Check out this combo, fantastic bang/buck:

94 octane Cenex pump gas
BBK turbo, ported
GSC S2 cams w/FP springs
ER Speed Density tune
ER intake
Garret FMIC w/ETS piping
Tial Q BOV (I need a softer spring though)
FIC 750s & Walbro 255
3" exhaust w/test pipe duh
Titek V2 o2 housing
BR ported exhaust manifold
AEM Tru-Boost
~ 28psi

Stock clutch, head(minus cams), block, intake manifold and throttle body.



http://forums.evolutionm.net/evo-dyn...ml#post7887544

[95tsi]

that makes me want the 68HTA for my DSM. I believe that was rated at 47lbs/min which is about the same rating as the BBK right? A 2.3, E fuel, and that seems to make killer tq and still good power. Very nice!

[Kracka]

I believe the BBK is in the low 50's lbs/min rating; I say this because the FP HTAGreen is 54 lbs/min and was a direct response to the BBK.

[goodhart]

Dave, if you wanted something about like this and the BBK is in the low 50's (lbs/min wise) then Kevin_1g_Drummer has a Garrett 3076 which flows about 52ish, and should be able to have more top end than a 68HTA, yet still have quick spool with the ball bearing CHRA and the 2.3 combined...

[scheides]

Originally Posted by Kracka

I believe the BBK is in the low 50's lbs/min rating; I say this because the FP HTAGreen is 54 lbs/min and was a direct response to the BBK.

The BBK Full is actually only rated at 47lbs/min, which is obviously under-rated. This is why I'm so pumped about the BBX and BBK-B which are both rated at ~57lbs/min without sacrificing much spool. With numbers like these, its hard to want more though.

[scheides]

Hrm, I'm liking these results, on cali-piss too! speed density and a non-cdi COP seem to be a good ticket for pump gas. :P

Originally Posted by GST Motorsports

2006 Evo 9 SE

Mods:

AEM Short Ram Intake
Nisei IC piping
Nisei 3.75" Competition Intercooler
APS Twin Vent BOV
Mil.Spec 65mm Throttle Body
Mil.Spec R2 Intake Manifold
Hondata IM Gasket
Kelford 9-TX280 (280/276) MIVEC Cams
Cosworth Valve Springs
ARP Head Studs
Stock Bottom End
Sparktech Non CDI C.O.P.
EGR/Charcoal Canister/Fuel Pressure Solenoid Removed
Forge Upgraded WGA
CBRD BBK Full Turbo (Mil.Spec Ported)
Stock Exhaust Manifold (Mil.Spec Ported)
TiTek v1 o2 Housing (Mil.Spec Ported)
MXP 3" Downpipe
RRE Stealth Exhaust
RRE Rally Cat
Walbro 255
FIC BlueMax 1450cc Injectors
EVOX 3 bar Map Sensor
GM AIT Sensor installed in Intake Manifold
GM 3 Port (ECU Boost)
3" AEM Intake filter
Cone filter
Stock ECU
Tephra V7
91 and E85 tunes

This Evo made 386 whp on 91 with the MAF, which already broke the standing BBK Full 91 oct record on our dyno (was 369). I took off the MAF, put a straight cone filter on and went to tuning the car on Speed Density. To my amazement the car responded really well to the SD conversion.

+17 whp peak gains to make 403 whp on straight California 91 oct. This is usually reserved for 35R+ turbos on our dyno. Now, a 100% stock looking turbo accomplishes this task.

403 whp / 330 wtq

24 psi




Next was E85 and it made a very healthy 455 whp at only 27 psi (car is tracked)




For reference:

Highest power on a Evo 9 stock turbo so far on our dyno is 403 whp / 402wtq (E85). This had the car doing a 11.4@120 mph, full weight, street tires, 300lb driver.

320-330whp will do 11.9-12.0 @ 115ish with a really good driver, full weight Evo.

Stock 03/04 evo = 190-210whp

Stock 05 evo = 210-215whp

Stock 06 evo = 220-230whp

Stock 08 evo = 215-230whp

Stock 09 Ralliart = 190-199whp

http://forums.evolutionm.net/evo-dyn...tephra-v7.html

[Matt D.]

Is it me or is there hardly any difference between the non-MIVEC and MIVEC cars anymore?

[mlomker]

Originally Posted by Matt D.

Is it me or is there hardly any difference between the non-MIVEC and MIVEC cars anymore?

I'd imagine that's true before they are tuned. The manufacturers probably care more about fuel economy than getting power out of it.

[Matt D.]

Originally Posted by mlomker

I'd imagine that's true before they are tuned. The manufacturers probably care more about fuel economy than getting power out of it.

Early on there there was a clear definition between an 8 and a 9 with similar mods, but now you look at the graphs and power output between the cars listed in this thread and there isn't much difference.

[mlomker]

Originally Posted by scheides

With numbers like these, its hard to want more though.

Blasphemy! I want 500 at MAP.

[t-revzr]

How many lbs/min is a stock 9 turbo then? I thought the bbk full flowed more than that. Kinda scared now to purchase a bbk

[scheides]

Originally Posted by Matt D.

Is it me or is there hardly any difference between the non-MIVEC and MIVEC cars anymore?

Originally Posted by mlomker

I'd imagine that's true before they are tuned. The manufacturers probably care more about fuel economy than getting power out of it.

Once the turbo is equalized, there is no reason for similarly modded 8's and 9's to make similar power. IX's however, can sometimes make equal power on stock cams, esp if its E85. Mivec mostly helps in the spool-up area, with cams like 4R's helping improve spool almost 500rpm over a non-mivec evo8.

[scheides]

Originally Posted by t-revzr

How many lbs/min is a stock 9 turbo then? I thought the bbk full flowed more than that. Kinda scared now to purchase a bbk

IX turbo is like 43-44lbs/min, and the BBK is rated at 47lbs/min, but flows more like 54lbs/min. What's to be scared of? Cost aside, there is huge gains up top for very little compromised down low.

[t-revzr]

Originally Posted by scheides

IX turbo is like 43-44lbs/min, and the BBK is rated at 47lbs/min, but flows more like 54lbs/min. What's to be scared of? Cost aside, there is huge gains up top for very little compromised down low.

Scared that I wont make over 400 whp and good tq for 2 grand.

[mlomker]

Originally Posted by t-revzr

Scared that I wont make over 400 whp and good tq for 2 grand.

They are doing that on 91 octane. E85 is win.

[scheides]

Originally Posted by t-revzr

Scared that I wont make over 400 whp and good tq for 2 grand.

If your car is in good running order and has a good parts combo, on E85, you'll do it easily on a BBK Full, and if you opt for the BBK-B it'll be more like 440 with ease. You're most of the way there already man.