Evo 16G vs. V-Trim TO4B

[Jakey]

I've been doing some planning on what my end goals are going to be with my car ('92 Laser AWD Stock). I want to have the powertrain and drivetrain work complete by roughly late next fall. In the end I'm not looking for mega power, simply not of interest to me. The 350-400 whp is definitely where I'm looking to be comfortably sitting in end. I'm looking at either a 1G/2G combo or a 1G/Wiseco combo with the necessary supporting mods. Plans were leaning towards a Evo 16G until I came across this: http://www.bullseye-power.com/produc...products_id=38

I've been very impressed by the customer service reviews of Bullseye along with the fact that AGP uses their turbine housings. Anyone care to share their $0.02 about the TO4B?

I should also mention that I'm looking to run it externally gated.

[Shotgun!]

Back in the day, alot of Starquest guys were going with the V1V2 comp wheel and a t04b or t04e housing. They seem to like. I've heard good things about it's spool up and streetable power. I think it would be good choice. I'm not saying it's perfect, just saying i think it'll be a good street turbo. And looking at the price it's looking better

[Jakey]

I should also mention that I have no intentions of pursuing any sort of engine management further than an AFC-II for quite sometime as I am 100% new to the whole 'tuning' process since I just got my Laser a few months back.

[AJ]

One thing for your rod/piston choice take some more info into that choice. A 1G rod & 2G piston option has been done and works well for what you want to do as well as a 1G rods and the wiseco piston setup. The bad thing is that both setups will require seperate machining for the rods to work with the pistons. If you get a good enough deal on the rods and pistons and you only end up paying about $100 - $150 more for a set of eagle and wiseco compared to the other options after machining. So it that case you really get what you pay for.

Bulllseye is alwasy comming out with some new options for housings and Mike and Josh can talk more about their products since we at one time had a few in house at QPR and decided againts carrying the line at that time.

With a built motor and what your looking for I would probably go with an EVO III 16G or just step up to a PTE 50 trim.

[Jakey]

In the end I would like to have a powertrain and drivetrain similar to that of 98tsiAWD's on Tuners: http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/member.php?u=1186

[A//// Guy]

Im not going to search for the facts but back when I was looking around efficiency wasnt the greatest on those turbos. Id say the Evo 16g isnt going to make you 400hp, unless your spraying. Id say 50trim is a best bet for the range your looking for, and those are all over now as everyone has one. So just get a used one from someone on here

[Shane@DBPerformance]

Those wheels are crap. That is some 1940s technology there. Perfect for a Starquest.

[Pushit2.0]

The stock motor will hold 400whp all day long, and I think a 50trim would get you there faster and possably on pump gas.

~John

[Shotgun!]

It was swanny that said they have a nice chart Some 1940's tech is right for starquests, like N2O.

PS: fidy trims is +igh+ yo!

[1ViciousGSX]

50 trim/to4b/7cm

[Shotgun!]

Originally Posted by 1ViciousGSX

50 trim/to4b/7cm

You would go 7cm? ain't that alittle small?

[JET]

Yeah, do the PTE 50 trim with a T04E cover. I loved mine for a street turbo. Full boost at 3600 and it ran 12.0 @ 119 at 19 psi. It is definately my choice for a street turbo on a 2.0.

[Jakey]

Please refresh my memory cause I'm way too tired to look, will the ^^^^ bolt on to my 2G manny?

[AJ]

Yes, any of the PTE turbos that say SCM will mount to a DSM Manifold.

[Shotgun!]

http://store.yahoo.com/cheapturbo/garrettgt2871r.html

Less "lag" (lower boost threshold) than a 50 trim and supports 400hp. And it's NEW technology! This is the big brother of the Disco Potato.

[1ViciousGSX]

Originally Posted by Grey Wulf

You would go 7cm? ain't that alittle small?

That combination would be a great street turbo that would make the power Jakey is wanting on a 2.0L.

[Shane@DBPerformance]

350-400whp on pump gas or race gas? You should be able to hit that range on race gas with an EVO 16G, if the rest of your setup is good.

A 50-trim/7-cm/t04b is very close to an FP Green. Swap the t04b comp housing for a 20G comp housing and you pretty much have a Green.

[Jakey]

Originally Posted by 1ViciousGSX

That combination would be a great street turbo that would make the power Jakey is wanting on a 2.0L.

You have a link for that turbo Mike?

[1ViciousGSX]

Originally Posted by Jakey

You have a link for that turbo Mike?

That's a very common combination for a turbo. Everybody has that turbor for sale; Elite, VPE, PTE, FP, TurboTrix, etc, etc, etc. You should be able to get a good price on a new one.

Look here ----> http://www.dsmstyle.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5602

You could go with the TO4E cover, but you will have to clearence the coolant pipe or run a spacer. That was why I suggested the TO4B cover so you would have a clean bolt on turbo will no problems. I agree with ecoli that you could also go with the Mitsu cover, but I like the Garrett stuff better.

I may have a bolt-on VPE GT3056 BB turbo for sale soon too, but it will be more a little more money.

[Shane@DBPerformance]

There aren't many turbos that really use the 7cm Mitsu exhaust housing anymore though. The Franks, Mutts and Green did, once PTE and others started making their own bolt-on Mitsu casting they switched to them since they are much much cheaper than trying to find 7cm exhaust housings to use. Some of the places were eventually forced to buy new 16Gs just you get the 7cm exhaust housings off of them for use on hybrid turbos. That is why you used to see so many brand new 16Gs for sale without the exhaust housing for sale for cheap from places like FP. Turbos like the Green and XCs(ETE/Mutts) are still expensive compared to what is out there nowdays with custom cast Mitsu housings.