Meet GheyRay: Lower, Wider, Lighter! - Page 17

**Kracka** · 12-05-2014

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Originally Posted by Halon

Manifolds look clean, great choice and great price point.

This is the prototype set, on paper they perform well, we'll see how they do on the dyno. They're also working on a C6 set, it'll be interesting to compare the flow results, both stock and modified, vs. this C7 set.

I'm having a hell of a time tracking down a stock C7 intake manifold so it's looking like I may be forced to buy a new core.

**Goat Blower** · 12-05-2014

Awesomesauce!

**Kracka** · 01-07-2015

Copy/pasted from my thread on CorvetteForum (http://www.corvetteforum.com/forums/...-vs-corsa.html):

After reading a thread on here about adding an aftermarket X-pipe to an otherwise stock exhasut system (http://www.corvetteforum.com/forums/...stock-npp.html) I decided to start looking into it further. There aren't many options on the market yet, but I picked up what is currently the most popular (Corsa Double Helixx) plus another that I think will also prove effective and popular (Borla part #60547) to compare them side-by-side with the stock X-pipe and ultimately decide which, if any, to install on my car (2014 Z51 w/NPP). Until now, my exhaust system was 100% stock. Due to a past history of going overboard on modding my street vehicles, when I ordered this car last winter I promised myself I'd take it slow and only add modifications that don't have any drawbacks to drivability and livability, plus remain somewhat emissions and hopefully warranty friendly. It's not my DD car, but I do take it on quite a few roadtrips, dinner on the weekends, etc. in addition to performance driving orientated events

stock exhaust specs
-catted downpipes: 3.0" outlets
-X-pipe: 3.0" inlets w/3" cats*, reduces to 2.75" immediately post-cats, single 2.75" X-crossover, expands to 2.875" at the outlets to slip over the axle-back pipes
-NPP axle-back: 2.75" inlets

The stock X-pipe weighs in at 22.6 lbs, which includes the clamps (welded on) so for comparison sake I'll subtract 1 lb. and call the stock X-pipe to be an equivalent of 21.6 lbs.

*The factory X-pipe cats are not monitored so they can be removed without throwing any check engine lights or error codes.

Borla X-pipe specs
-3.0" inlets, smooth taper to 2.75" after the inlet flange
-2.75" piping with the exception of the in/outlets
-single 2.75" X-crossover
-explands to 2.875" at the outlet to slip over the factory axle-back.
-15.8 lbs for a savings of 5.8 lbs vs. stock

Corsa Double Helixx X-pipe specs
-3.0" inlet
-3.0" piping
-two 3.0" X-crossovers
-3.0" outlet (I noticed that this has to basically be crushed to securely clamp over the stock axle-back pipes, not ideal in my opinion as it seems prone to leaks and internal turbulence)
-19.6 lbs for a savings of 2.0 lbs vs. stock (Corsa claims a 2 lbs weight savings so my measurements confirm this)

Corsa (top) vs. Borla (bottom):

Borla (top) vs. Corsa (bottom):

stock/Borla/Corsa:

Corsa/Borla/stock:

stock impressions
For factory exhaust piping, it is very nice in design with decent welds, bends, and transitions. If it wasn't for the cats, I'd probably say it wouldn't be worth the bother to replace unless you wanted to be very particular about some of the bends having a slight crush to them.

Borla impressions
This is a very nice pipe, I feel this is what the stock pipe could have been like if manufacturing costs weren't a concern as it has smoother bends than the factory pipe with no crush to them at all. It is similar in design to stock and follows the stock pipe routing almost exactly. One benefit to that is how it looks nearly factory once installed and partially hidden by the stock tunnel brace. Unless a trained eye knows exactly what they're looking for, I can see this pipe flying under the radar when it comes to warranty claims.

Corsa impressions
This pipe is a beast, it's large and heavy, but seemingly designed for excellent flow (Corsa claims +20% compared to stock). This pipe has the fewest and smoothest bends of the three so that is a plus in my book. The double X does change the tone of the exhaust; some say it makes the car sound more exotic or European vs. the throaty rumble of an American V8. I do wonder if it adds unneeded internal turbulence though? This pipe seems to be the most popular on the market right now, but my guess is that's because it was the first one to become widely available and the fact it's straight 3.0" in design.

My conclusion
I decided to keep the Borla X-pipe on my car. I like the design of it, the weight savings, and it's somewhat stock appearance. Considering the NPP axle-back is also 2.75" in diameter I do not feel I'm giving anything up in regards to the Borla 2.75" vs. Corsa 3.0", but that is just my somewhat experienced guess. The exhaust tone sounds similar to stock, just a bit louder and sharper with the removal of two catalytic converters. They all install very easily with simple hand tools, 1 jack, and 1 jackstand. I'd suggest a 3/8" drive ratchet with an extension or two, sockets in the 13-18mm range, a 15mm wrench (ratcheting if you have it to speed things up), a flat head screwdriver for prying off the gaskets and rubber hangar, and a hammer to pound the gaskets on to the new pipe. You can just jack up one side of the car; I jacked up from the passenger side rear point (just in front of the rear wheel) and put the stand under the passenger side front point (just behind the front wheel).

**scheides** · 01-07-2015

Vroom Vroom! I still want to learn the math of the X-pipe vs double-X. Any louder while cruising at 85?

**Kracka** · 01-07-2015

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Originally Posted by scheides

Vroom Vroom! I still want to learn the math of the X-pipe vs double-X. Any louder while cruising at 85?

I honestly think the double-X is just a marketing gimmick that sets them apart, plus creates an exhaust tone unique to their brand. From my understanding, only a single H- or X-pipe is needed to equalize exhaust pressure between the banks. Heck, why not just Y into a large single, then Y back to duals, that would be unique to the industry for sure! I'll report back on cruising volume @ 85...

turbotalon1g · 01-07-2015

procharger on order?

**Kracka** · 01-07-2015

No, but MAP's working on a ported intake manifold.

**goodhart** · 01-07-2015

Whats with the metric sizes, this is 'Murica son!

**Kracka** · 01-08-2015

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Originally Posted by goodhart

Whats with the metric sizes, this is 'Murica son!

Chevy & Borla, neither could be more American...but still smart enough to use metric fasteners

**Goat Blower** · 01-08-2015

Hell, even my old 2007 Tahoe is all metric. Had to get dirty last night.

**Kracka** · 01-17-2015

I finally had the MAP ported & coated exhaust manifolds installed today! Below is the before & after dyno chart. I'm very happy with the results, and the shop said they were surprised by the gains. The gains were about half what long-tube headers show which I think is fair considering these are emissions, warranty, and stock tune friendly by retaining the stock pair of primary cats (the X-pipe install from last week deleted the secondary cats).

+11WHP/+8WTQ

Full mod list:
-AFE intake
-WeaponX ported throttle body
-MAP ported & coated exhaust manifolds
-Borla X pipe
-Diablo InTune (custom DiabLew tuned)

**Halon** · 01-17-2015

Cant beat that, and retains oem fitment / quality.

**Kracka** · 01-17-2015

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Originally Posted by Halon

Cant beat that, and retains oem fitment / quality.

Exactly my thinking! No durability issues, no extra noise or annoying sounds, etc.

Mark Leasure · 01-17-2015

Agree, nice gain for the benefit of stock durability.

**Kracka** · 01-17-2015

If anyone cares, this shop is owned by John Lingenfelter's daughter and her husband.

turbotalon1g · 01-17-2015

I thought I've heard of that shop before.

Nice gains. Should help the supercharger breath..

**Kracka** · 01-27-2015

A month or so back I bought a stock intake manifold and had it shipped directly to MAP for their inspection and porting (if deemed necessary). Fast-forward to last week and the guys at MAP inspected the manifold and deemed porting not necessary so they shipped it back to me. This did surprise me since other companies are already offering intake manifold porting ($200-400 depending on company and level of porting) for the LT1 and claiming that gains are possible. Here are some pictures that I took. Overall, the stock manifold is a very nice design with individual radiused runners. It is plastic so it is smoother than a rough cast aluminum and more ideal in design, but there are definitely still some lips and edges that could be smoothed out, along with that PCV vacuum straw that runs directly behind the inlet. Thoughts? Theories? Ideas?

I'm currently toying with 3 ideas:
1. Selling it for ~$200 and not worrying about it.
2. Do a little self-porting with a Dremel to smooth out the lips/edges and cutting down the straw.
3. Send it to Fasterproms for their $200 service.

Weapon-X, company that ported my throttle body, offers two levels of service, Stage 1 for $349, and Stage 2 for $399, but both of which seem excessive for my setup.

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