[john]

I have the bucshur 3" on the talon and 2.5" on the winter beater. They do have dynomax mufflers. I have never complained about noise in my cars. I am fine with the sound/tone. BTW, thermal catbacks for 2gs do indeed drop down to atleast 2.5" at the cat. Possibly smaller as mentioned above. A local member bought a thermal cat back and a N1 downpipe. He had to sell the DP as it would not fit without cutting and welding.