[john]

Only cars I saw go off the track were a spec car at turn 12, and the lotus between turns 3 and 4. The lotus definitly made turn 3, not sure what he did to send it out of control before turn 4. Definitly weren't the workings of the tires.

The first time I went out, I left the track on turn 9 (clover leaf turn) and around turn 8. Between 7 and 8 look so dam strait that I didn't slow for either and my tires gave out on the back of the turn. On turn 9, I did a full 360 on the asphalt and slid off to the inside. The second time around turn 8 I slid sideways off the track with the rear leading and did 2 full spins throught the grass before coming to rest.