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Originally Posted by Andrew7dg
Why do you even bother taking the time to post? I know both of your opinions about the system from the first couple of pages... both as expert shop tuners have taken the "proven ground". To me, this is a freaking hobby...
This is how I look at it as posted in previous
Time- yes there is a lot more time and knowledge that has to go into this instead of your plug and play system. It has a steep learning curve to it and there are a lot of things you have to figure out on your own.
Money-
You have to buy or find:
MS2 ECU<-- forgot to add, I had to upgrade to a 4 bar map sensor with altitude correction
$247.00+$65.00
GM IAC, CLT<-- I did splurge and bought new ones... guilty... wanted to make sure they worked...
$17.25 + $16.25
Knocksense <-- uses the factory mitsu knocksensor (or bosh or whichever knock sensor) plus comes with a blinky bulb to show when it is reading knock. can be set for sensitivity. Expensive but better then no knock sensor. I think it is a must for a turbo car
$65.00
WB O2 <-- which I think you should buy even with DSMlink or AEM EMS but that is just my opinion.
315.00
Wire<-- really expensive from radioshack...
um... $20.00 maybe...
Soldering gun <--- however used this to make other proper connections (radioshack again)
$20.00
ECU wiring from another car (Hyundai car worked) + relays
$3 <--expensive....
748.50
make it fair $800 for a ECU+ with WB 02
there you got me...
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No I would say its more of the fact that both of us have seen 1/2 cocked projects and 1/4 built dsm's where owners have decided to try something different where a tired and trued method would have been so much easier for them, and in the end, cheaper.
$800 for an ecu and wb 02 isn't bad, try tracking how many hours you have into this when you are done tuning versus just dropping in a dsmlink and calling it done. I've done similar projects, but perfer to work with projects where there are no other options. SDS systems on turbo porsche 914's, MSII's on turbo probe gt's, hydra nemisis ecu's on pro rally subaru's, haltech e6k's on svt engine swaped rs's, tech 3r's on road race bmw's...stuff that is a bit out there, requires wiring, etc.
I just don't see the point of a MS on a dsm, but thats just me. The project is great and you will learn a lot. Plus, if anyone ever decides to do it again, then can look for you to advise and help if it is well documented.