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I have a JVC GR-DVL 120U. Picked it up new two years ago for $600 with two spare batterys and 4 tapes. Has 16X optical, 700X digital, MiniDV, firewire out, and still pics to tape. I like it, it's not as small as the cannons but it works good. Although the "NIGHT ALIVE" feature seems to slow it down a lot and not work the greatest.
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