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Raptor 01-01-2005 03:25 PM

A couple thoughts about the tsunami's and the new year
 
You know, I saw an article on CNN that made me think. It mentioned that everyone should forget about their resolutions about losing weight and whatever and focus on what to do about the trajedy and preventing it in the future. I don't think I agree with that entirely.

The Tsunami's were beyond description as far as tragedy goes. That kind of loss of life and devastation is something that effects even the most cold hearted people. We need to put a huge amount of energy into finding ways to prevent it and even more importantly help with the current suffering any way possible, I agree with that. The comment comes off in a way that we should forget about the normal things we think about at new years and I dissagree with that completely. Things like this happen, we all live and die and of course we can do some things to prevent that and that is good, but to forget about our personal goals and self improvement isn't right.

I don't want to sound like I don't care about the tragedy. Nothing could be further than the truth, but like I have said before, worrying about death is a great way to forget about living. Yes I think we should do everything we can for those directly effected by the tsunami's, as well as do what we can to find ways to prevent future loss of life, but don't worry soo much about it that the joy of living is gone. Get the most out of this life, do whatever you can to improve yourself and the lives of those around you.

Just reading the thing on CNN made me want to bring those points up. I am interested to hear how people in general feel about these things, it was a really life changing thing for many in this world, how much did it effect your outlook?

Jana 01-01-2005 03:32 PM

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I agree, why should you not still set goals for yourself and just think about all the devistation. I wish I could do something to help, either donate money or even volunteer to help in some way. Neither of those are possibly in my situation. However, I can pray for the survivor's.

All in all, it just makes me appreciate what I have even more because you never know when something can happen. So like Mike (and many others) have said before, you just live each day to the fullest.

MATCHBX 01-01-2005 04:05 PM

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I agree. Live each day as if it was your last and you will live a more full life. You will live each minute of each day to it's fullest. Tell your loved ones that you love them. Let them know how much they mean to you everyday because you have no idea if you or they will be there tomorrow. Don't live too much in the past or you will not have a future. Remember, it's not how you die, it's how you live. Death only happens once, life happens every minute of every day.

It is so sad what happened these past few weeks. This kind of thing seems to cycle itself through the ages. Massive tragedies claiming hundreds of thousands of lives. Like was said before, we need to focus on the survivors and what can be found to prevent or minimize the loss of human life when something like this happens. It's sad that so many had to die. But if we can learn from what has happened to make preparations for the next time something like this happens to minimize the body count, they will not have died in vain. Their deaths will have a meaning and purpose.

Raptor 01-01-2005 05:15 PM

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I should really stop reading CNN. With the huge financial burdens of Tsunamis and the war etc, somehow our brilliant government thinks it is worthwhile to spend 330 million to send a spacecraft 80 million miles away to crash into an asteroid so they can see what happens. If they even catch the stupid thing, how productive is it? They want to know if it has ice inside etc. I am sure there is some benefit to them in some way, but is it really a justification to spend that much cash.

AJ 01-01-2005 05:22 PM

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I think the US spending any cash anywhere but the US is a crock of shit. Look at all our problems right here. Lets worry about our fucking issues first, and our own debt first and get in a position to help others. How many homeless right here in the US do we have to shit on by spending a billion on some other countries.

Raptor 01-01-2005 05:36 PM

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I only agree with that to a point. There is a large majority of people in this country that are on welfare and are homeless that do not have to be. Many are lazy and don't take advantage of the systems that are already in place to help them, the numbers get skewed by them. People that are truely homeless do have places they can go for help in most if not all cases. The reason half of them don't is that it is more profitable to panhandle for them and they have drug habits they don't want to clean up to stay at the shelters. The victems of the tsunami were blameless. As the richest nation on earth, it would be pretty shitty of us to let the rest of the world to take care of tragedy like that and only worry about ourselves. I personally think people like Mr Gates and others who have obscene overabundant funds should step up and help as much as they can. Not saying they have to, I just can't imagine why they wouldn't want to. If I had what i would consider a decent income in any way, I would try to do something to help.

Jacek 01-01-2005 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by DSMStyle
I think the US spending any cash anywhere but the US is a crock of shit. Look at all our problems right here. Lets worry about our fucking issues first, and our own debt first and get in a position to help others. How many homeless right here in the US do we have to shit on by spending a billion on some other countries.

i can agree with this to a point. we should help a little. but not to the extent where we put out the most money than anyone else and make out economy suffer a greater amount. colin powell said he put down 350M on this incident. i would like to know where this money is going to come from.

JDM 01-02-2005 03:46 AM

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I think spending money else where is our responsibility to a point.

We are ALL human beings. White, black, asian, hispanic, arabic, whatever... If we had a dictator who physically punished his people, we'd pray for help.

BUT, sometimes we lose sight of what's important. I'm trying my damnedest not to start an arguement here.

So as the others above have stated, I agree... to a point.

Raptor 01-02-2005 10:59 AM

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Well, lets see, if we turn our back on the rest of the world and be stingy, we can pretty much expect the same treatment from them. America already has half the world hating it because of our abunance and freedom and the way we seem to take it for granted. Unlike JDM, I don't mind an argument on this stuff ;) I don't think it is our governments sole responsibility to do everything, but we do have way more resources that other countries, better technology and most americans do take pride in our role to help others. I really want to see the wealthy private sectors of the country help, they would collectively have the greatest impact. On another note, the things effecting other countries do also effect us. Consider the spread of disease into epidemic proportions, if we don't do anything about it, we could be hit really hard by it.

JDM 01-02-2005 01:42 PM

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I don't think we can start an argument, we're all pretty much saying the same thing... I just hope that 'you know who' doesn't read this and say something INCREDIBLY stupid.

TheBlizzard 01-02-2005 02:19 PM

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I think the US has done more than its share of helping out fellow countries in their time of need. As well as letting thousands upon thousands of non US born people to make the US their homes. I agree with Mike that we should not feel obligated to help everyone in the world out in their times of need. However we shouldn't turn our back either. There have to be a happy medium that our country should take in aiding other countries across the world without the feeling of being 'exploited'. Sometimes I think this country is relied on a lot more than it should be.

CRAIG

AJ 01-02-2005 03:37 PM

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Here's another crock of shit :

If you look around at places like NFL.com you will see big talk about donations from NFL teams. What you have to continue to read to see is that these money hungry fucks are either donating amounts like 15k (which is for a whole team and equal to me giving away a dollar compared to my income) or helping collect donations and not actually spend any cash themselves. But hey, lets pay some 20 yr old 10 million a year to play a game for a living.

TheBlizzard 01-02-2005 03:47 PM

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The greed of people today in sports was evident when the Minnesota Timberwolves went to resign Latrell Sprewell. The fucker had the nerve to turn down a mulit-million dollar deal saying that "I need more money to feed my family". If you can't feed your fucking family off 8 million dollars a year you have some god damn problems.

You can say that with a lot of things though. Prime example is; if everybody in the country was a organ donar there would be absolutely no shortage of organs for people in need of one. As it sits now there is a huge waiting list for organs and people are dieing everyday because of it. All it takes is a little check mark on your drivers license renewal and you could be saving a lot of lives.

I recently heard a story of a kid that supposedly commited suicide. Well he was an organ donar. His parents received a letter awhile after his death stated that their sons organs helped save the lives of 39 people. Just a little food for thought.

CRAIG

Raptor 01-02-2005 11:40 PM

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That is pretty cool, i would donate mine, but no body would want the damn things :( Probably make them worse off.

LightningGSX 01-04-2005 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Raptor
I should really stop reading CNN. With the huge financial burdens of Tsunamis and the war etc, somehow our brilliant government thinks it is worthwhile to spend 330 million to send a spacecraft 80 million miles away to crash into an asteroid so they can see what happens. If they even catch the stupid thing, how productive is it? They want to know if it has ice inside etc. I am sure there is some benefit to them in some way, but is it really a justification to spend that much cash.

It will give us data on the possibility of stopping a humanity-ending impact in the future, and there's no "IF" about it, an object somewhere IS on a collision course with earth.Even though I'll probably be long dead, the thought of a comet/asteroid hitting the earth,ending our legacy as humans and millions of years of progress, in the future doesn't sit well with me.I think $330 mil(a bargain compared to other NASA projects) is more than justified.And I think it's nice to know people at NASA think beyond their lifetimes.

BTW, Tempel 1 is a comet, not an asteroid.

Raptor 01-04-2005 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by LightningGSX
It will give us data on the possibility of stopping a humanity-ending impact in the future, and there's no "IF" about it, an object somewhere IS on a collision course with earth.Even though I'll probably be long dead, the thought of a comet/asteroid hitting the earth,ending our legacy as humans and millions of years of progress, in the future doesn't sit well with me.I think $330 mil(a bargain compared to other NASA projects) is more than justified.And I think it's nice to know people at NASA think beyond their lifetimes.

BTW, Tempel 1 is a comet, not an asteroid.


If it is such a serious project with valid merits, they should probably try to convey those aspects of it a little better when giving the press info. They made it sound like they were more interested in blowing shit up gaining useful knowledge. Of course I realize that isn't the sole goal of the project and I know what they are after in the end, however, I think considering the events of the last week, they could have made the benefits of the mission more obvious. Some of that is the media slant I am sure, but you get my point.

LightningGSX 01-04-2005 07:53 PM

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Yeah I just searched for, and read the CNN article.I see what you mean, they made it seem like it was for entertainment purposes only.


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