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Dundars 03-21-2009 12:39 AM

Yay! Obama is projected to have 4 times the deficit than Bush!
 
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090321/...h/obama_budget

WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama's budget would produce $9.3 trillion in deficits over the next decade, more than four times the deficits of Republican George W. Bush's presidency, congressional auditors said Friday.

The new Congressional Budget Office figures offered a far more dire outlook for Obama's budget than the new administration predicted just last month — a deficit $2.3 trillion worse. It's a prospect even the president's own budget director called unsustainable.

In his White House run, Obama assailed the economic policies of his predecessor, but the eye-popping deficit numbers threaten to swamp his ambitious agenda of overhauling health care, exploring new energy sources and enacting scores of domestic programs.

The dismal deficit figures, if they prove to be accurate, inevitably raise the prospect that Obama and his Democratic allies controlling Congress would have to consider raising taxes after the recession ends or else pare back his agenda.

By CBO's calculation, Obama's budget would generate deficits averaging almost $1 trillion a year of red ink over 2010-2019.

Worst of all, CBO says the deficit under Obama's policies would never go below 4 percent of the size of the economy, figures that economists agree are unsustainable. By the end of the decade, the deficit would exceed 5 percent of gross domestic product, a dangerously high level.

White House budget chief Peter Orszag said that CBO's long-range economic projections are more pessimistic than those of the White House, private economists and the Federal Reserve and that he remained confident that Obama's budget, if enacted, would produce smaller deficits.

Even so, Orszag acknowledged that if the CBO projections prove accurate, Obama's budget would produce deficits that could not be sustained.

"Deficits in the, let's say, 5 percent of GDP range would lead to rising debt-to-GDP ratios that would ultimately not be sustainable," Orszag told reporters.

Deficits so big put upward pressure on interest rates as the government offers more attractive interest rates to attract borrowers.
"I think deficits of 5 percent (of GDP) are unsupportable," said economist Mark Zandi, chief economist at Moody's Economy.com. "It will lead to higher interest rates to the point where it will force policymakers to make changes."

Republicans immediately piled on.
"This report should serve as the wake-up call this administration needs," said House Minority Leader John Boehner, R-Ohio. "We simply cannot continue to mortgage our children and grandchildren's future to pay for bigger and more costly government."

But Obama insisted on Friday that his agenda is still on track.
"What we will not cut are investments that will lead to real growth and prosperity over the long term," Obama said. "That's why our budget makes a historic commitment to comprehensive health care reform. That's why it enhances America's competitiveness by reducing our dependence on foreign oil and building a clean energy economy."

Obama's $3.6 trillion budget for the 2010 fiscal year beginning Oct. 1 contains ambitious programs to overhaul the U.S. health care system and initiate new "cap-and-trade" rules to combat global warming.

Both initiatives involve raising federal revenues sharply higher, but those dollars wouldn't be used to defray the burgeoning deficit and would instead help pay for Obama's health plan and implement Obama's $400 tax credit for most workers and $800 for couples.


Obama's budget promises to cut the deficit to $533 billion in five years. The CBO says the red ink for that year will total $672 billion.

Most disturbing to Obama allies like Senate Budget Committee Chairman Kent Conrad, D-N.D., are the longer term projections, which climb above $1 trillion again by the end of the next decade and approach 6 percent of GDP by 2019.

Among about a dozen major changes to Obama's budget, Conrad is looking to curb Obama's 9 percent increase for non-defense appropriations to show short-term progress and insists that the long-term deficit and debt crisis will have to be addressed via a special bipartisan commission.

"The budget that I'll submit will cut the deficit by more than two-thirds over these first five years," Conrad. "These imbalances are just absolutely unsustainable."

The worsening economy is responsible for the even deeper fiscal mess inherited by Obama. As an illustration, CBO says the deficit for the current budget year, which began Oct. 1, will top $1.8 trillion, $93 billion more than foreseen by the White House. That would equal 13 percent of GDP, a level not seen since World War II.

The 2009 deficit, fueled by the $700 billion Wall Street bailout and diving tax revenues stemming from the worsening recession, is four times the previous $459 billion record set just last year.

The CBO's estimate for 2010 is worse as well, with a deficit of almost $1.4 trillion expected under administration policies, about $200 billion more than predicted by Obama.

Long-term deficit predictions have proven notoriously fickle — George W. Bush inherited flawed projections of a 10-year, $5.6 trillion surplus and instead produced record deficits — and if the economy outperforms CBO's expectations, the deficits could prove significantly smaller.

Republicans say Obama's budget plan taxes, spends and borrows too much, and they've been sharply critical of his $787 billion economic stimulus measure and a just-passed $410 billion omnibus spending bill that awarded big increases to domestic agency budgets.

The administration says it inherited deficits totaling $9 trillion over the next decade and that its budget plan cuts $2 trillion from those deficits. But most of those spending reductions come from reducing costs for the war in Iraq.

CarRacer 03-21-2009 01:22 AM

Re: Yay! Obama is projected to have 4 times the deficit than Bush!
 
This is what happens when you are fiscally honest, unlike the last 8 years that cooked the books to look better.

The Iraq war is now listed in the general fund, not an additional separate spending bill.

The estimated deficit projects a DECADE into the future. How can you project something like the economy ten years into the future? How would projections look from ten years ago?

Dundars 03-21-2009 01:29 AM

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Did you even read the whole thing?

INTRIGUED 03-21-2009 02:51 AM

Re: Yay! Obama is projected to have 4 times the deficit than Bush!
 
IMO no matter what president made it in the deficit would be just as bad. Both parties have their plan and naturally its going to cost a huge sum of money. So to see this isn't any type of a shock. If McCain was in there the numbers would be damn close to the same. Articles like this are just kindling for the fire.

Dundars 03-21-2009 03:13 AM

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Are you stupid? Tell me how McCain would of spent as much money please.

INTRIGUED 03-21-2009 01:34 PM

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This is why we don't talk politics on here.

mdost03 03-21-2009 01:47 PM

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We need to start to CUT SPENDING, not print more money (1 trillion) and raise inflation and kill the dollar's value even more. I don't know where obama thinks we have all this money to fund all these government projects. And I've noticed that the stimulus bill is starting to bite us all in the ass with the earmarks in there that nobody knew about before signing, because we needed it signed ASAP. Couldn't have waiting a few days for everyone to take a look at it before voting on it. What a joke.

niterydr 03-21-2009 03:35 PM

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Long term deflation is a bad thing, weakening the dollar doesn't hurt U.S companies that do business overseas.

Super Bleeder!! 03-21-2009 03:50 PM

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yay politics. Lets talk about our religions and how much money we make too.

tpunx99GSX 03-21-2009 05:35 PM

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its like Car Racer said, The iraq war is now in the General Budget unlike what Bush was doing by not listing it in the budget at all. It costs a lot to run a war, which would make up a lot of that 2 trillion. Obama is bringing a little more honesty into government budgets and spending.

tpunx99GSX 03-21-2009 05:38 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by totaleclipse_05 (Post 282073)
We need to start to CUT SPENDING, not print more money (1 trillion) and raise inflation and kill the dollar's value even more. I don't know where obama thinks we have all this money to fund all these government projects. And I've noticed that the stimulus bill is starting to bite us all in the ass with the earmarks in there that nobody knew about before signing, because we needed it signed ASAP. Couldn't have waiting a few days for everyone to take a look at it before voting on it. What a joke.

With the republicans there is no "Waiting a couple days". They have used and abused the Filibuster tactic double what they used to in the past years. Already used this over 115 times. And we are only in the 3rd month of a new government. They are blocking every bill they can that could fix this country.

311evo 03-21-2009 06:49 PM

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That most likely because they (along with many others) think those bills will not help us at all, instead harm us.

NOT THE BLUE LAMPSHADE 03-21-2009 08:23 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Super Bleeder!! (Post 282086)
yay politics. Lets talk about our religions and how much money we make too.

Warren Jeffs FOREVER!!! WOOOOOOOO!!!

NOT THE BLUE LAMPSHADE 03-21-2009 08:38 PM

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i was gonna type something serious but................. psh

tpunx99GSX 03-21-2009 08:53 PM

Re: Yay! Obama is projected to have 4 times the deficit than Bush!
 
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Originally Posted by 311evo (Post 282106)
That most likely because they (along with many others) think those bills will not help us at all, instead harm us.

The ones they are blocking are for Healthcare reform, Global Warming measures and Education. Yeah thats gonna harm us. They are not doing it for the benefit.

311evo 03-22-2009 04:50 PM

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sounds like more and more money that some people don't want spent, and some people don't mind our current (nonsocialistic) healthcare. ask someone from Canada and see how they like their healthcare.

tpunx99GSX 03-22-2009 05:16 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 311evo (Post 282224)
ask someone from Canada and see how they like their health care.

Thats like saying "Ask someone in the US how they like their health care" Its all dependent on the person you ask. Sure if you ask someone who has had great luck in the health care area they are going to say "Its Great" But at the same time many people don't like it.
In Canada i have personally spoken with many Canadians (went to college in Bemidji) and they thought the Canadian health care was great. Same with the people i spoke to in Austria, and Germany, They LOVE the health care system over there.
So basically your post leaves it entirely up to the chance you could talk to someone who had a bad experience or knows someone who did.

JET 03-22-2009 11:10 PM

Re: Yay! Obama is projected to have 4 times the deficit than Bush!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by niterydr (Post 282083)
Long term deflation is a bad thing, weakening the dollar doesn't hurt U.S companies that do business overseas.

Ummm, huh? Weakening the dollar means that US companies have to pay more dollars for the same product.


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