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Oregon wants to ban aftermarket auto parts

It's mainly focused at aftermarket tires and measures to improve fuel economy of cars, but it leaves the door open to further prohibit the sale of any non-OEM parts.

http://www.oneighturbo.com/2009/02/0...rmarket-parts/
http://www.leg.state.or.us/09reg/mea...2186.intro.pdf

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Do your part and email all those people on the list. It took about 3 minutes and could be the difference between this bill coming to MN or not.

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Looks like that would mean no parts suppliers either? So, everything would have to be bought dealer only...sounds fair...

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Wow... I would be shocked if this passes. They would basically force all auto parts stores, tire stores, and repair shops to go out of business in their state. Imagine how many jobs would be lost? Ridiculous.

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I was just reading about this over on MNSubaru, looks like this thing has a snowball's chance in hell in passing, but I still emailed the people on the list.

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There was a good article on this posted on another forum:

http://wizbangblue.com/2009/02/04/hi...s-hysteria.php

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High Performance Auto Parts Could Be Banned With Greenhouse Gas Hysteria
Posted by Paul Hooson
Published: Feb 4, 09 03:07 PM

In Oregon, a senseless and not clearly thought out piece of bad legislation proposed by Governor Ted Kulongoski could give the state's top environment agency new broad and sweeping powers to ban the sale of some custom and high performance auto, truck and motorbike parts based on some absurd and naive notion that such parts somehow contribute to more air pollution. However, the truth is that many aftermarket high performance parts actually work far more efficiently than the cheaper OEM equipment installed on many vehicles, and in many cases actually save fuel while providing increased performance characteristics.

Many cash strapped automobile manufacturers purchase parts based on the lowest cost from suppliers. Because of this most new cars and trucks do have the best handling tires or the most fuel efficient engine parts. And only a few higher priced vehicles come standard with synthetic oil, which provides far better horsepower, performance and miles per gallon than the far cheaper normal petroleum oil does. Some synthetic oils such as AMSOIL may provide up to 10% better mpg than normal oil, besides higher horsepower and an engine life twice as long if not even longer. But the auto industry is in the business of selling vehicles, so selling cars with cheaper oils that allow them to wear out twice as fast is only good for their business.

Recently when President Barack Obama proposed allowing 13 U.S. states with some high air pollution areas to allow them to set tougher local air pollution rules, some states like California and Oregon were quick to react with some new pollution control proposals. However in Oregon, S. 2186, is little more than a hysterical and oversimplified dangerous bill that gives broad new powers to air pollution czars who really know nothing about the mechanics of cars, trucks or motorbikes. The bill claims to be some sort of an "emergency" declaration. So where's the "emergency"? And what serious person actually believes that the small number of car, truck or motorbike enthusiasts who put some custom aftermarket or high performance parts on their cars, trucks or motorbikes actually increase air pollution levels?

The fact of the matter is that there are many high priced custom wheels made from lightweight alloy materials that are far lighter than the cheap heavy steel OEM wheels. And some low profile performance tires are far more grippy and squirm around far less than the cheap OEM ones that manufacturers install to control their operating costs. You can spend a few thousand dollars on a set of high performance wheels and tires that are far superior to the cheap ones on a car or truck that barely top $200 to $300 in most cases. Any person with good sense knows that lighter weight will save fuel. Yet the Oregon bill could actually outlaw the sale of many aftermarket tires and wheels and force buyers to purchase more of the same cheap fuel wasting crap that dealers for many automanufacturers sell. What Einstein thought this one up?

Any any good motorhead knows that many aftermarket quality four barrel carbs can potentially offer better gas mileage than the cheaper OEM two barrel ones installed on many older cars. The four barrel versions generally have smaller throats, where only the other two throats open up during hard acceleration or at freeway type speeds, while the two barrel carbs have bigger throats that constantly open during any acceleration and waste gas. In most cases, many four barrel carbs are far superior at saving gas and reducing pollution than the cheap OEM carbs are.

Automobile manufacturers are working to improve the pollution problem with their vehicles. Toyota sells a great number of hybrid vehicles. And Detroit continues to conduct experiments with extreme hybrids, electric and fuel cell cars. This is where pollution problem will really be solved.

But the more serious problems of greenhouse gases and global warming certainly cannot all be blamed on the United States. Nations like India, China and Vietnam have many dangerously polluted cities with little air quality rules or regulations. In fact, the air quality is so bad in at least 500 big cities in China that it is the same health risk as if a child was smoking a pack of cigarettes a day. Many of these cities the air is black, the water polluted, and your throat and eyes burn. China has several times the population of the United States, and now has far more industry producing goods than the United States. The effect of China on global warming and green house gas emissions is very serious compared to the United States with many air pollution controls on both vehicles and industry. And so far not a single brand of Chinese manufactured automobiles meets American air pollution standards, only a few of their exported motorcycles or scooters do.

Certainly, states like Oregon might want to improve the air quality. And that's a worthy goal. However, a reckless ban on a few high performance auto, truck or motorbike parts is hardly going to improve the air quality, cut greenhouse gases or reduce holes in the ozone or other goals. These are larger problems that new automobile technology like fuel cell powered cars or nation's like China with huge pollution problems need to really resolve. A few aftermarket auto parts businesses shouldn't be made scapegoat for problems far larger that are far out of their control.

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Email sent. We need to make sure this bill is stopped long before it even has a chance of becoming law. Once one state is able to pass it, others will follow.

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I got a reply:

Thank you for your message regarding House Bill 2186. This bill reflects a concept created in the Governor's office. It was then referred to the House Committee on Environment and Water (on which I serve as one of eight members). At the bill’s first hearing, held on Tuesday, February 3rd, I explained to the witnesses from the DEQ that I was not happy with the concepts contained in the bill. The delegation of power to the DEQ is far too great and the economic impact of the bill is too far reaching. The bill will, I am sure, require additional public hearings.

I represent District 60 (Malheur, Baker, Harney, and part of Grant County). I am certain that a majority of my constituents will oppose many of the ideas in the bill, particularly those which will negatively impact our economy. I would strongly suggest and recommend that you contact your state representative and share with him (or her) your thoughts regarding this bill.

Very Truly Yours,

Representative Cliff Bentz
District 60

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I'm guessing quite a few people have contacted this guy. I got the exact same response.

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Well, at least we know they're being flooded with protest :)

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e-mail sent, what a joke. guess when i needed an exhaust and got lucky getting a catback for only 350 was a mistake, i should have spend the 1500 the dealer would have wanted, can u say economic destimulus and monopolization

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Dear Chris,

Thank you for your email on HB 2186. While I support measures for improving our environment, I am opposing this bill in its current form for a number of reasons including the potential detrimental effects it has on those in the used-parts industry. As Vice Chair of the House Environment and Water Committee, you can be sure that I will do all I can to oppose this bill or amend it to a form that is more acceptable. Your comments are appreciated.

Sincerely,

Vic

Representative Vic Gilliam
House District 18
(503) 986-1418
rep.vicgilliam@state.or.us

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This is the state that made it illegal to pump your own gas. I would think that if the bill could pass, it might be there.

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Originally Posted by Shotgun! (Post 276718)

This is the state that made it illegal to pump your own gas. I would think that if the bill could pass, it might be there.

my mother-in-law used to live over there and when i visited her i noticed that too. but she said it was because someone caused a fire or the gas station exploded. I dont know if it's true or not.

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Global Warming is a fraud, Lenin (remember him?) called his 'supporters' Useful Idiots.

Same thing, different century.

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Originally Posted by Shotgun! (Post 276718)

This is the state that made it illegal to pump your own gas.

New Jersey did that nonsense too. Obviously some 16 year old getting paid minimum wage is going to be a lot more careful about not spilling a drop of gas...

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Originally Posted by Kracka (Post 276762)

New Jersey did that nonsense too. Obviously some 16 year old getting paid minimum wage is going to be a lot more careful about not spilling a drop of gas...

Or you have to give your CC to some guy who doesn't speak any english and hope he brings it back.

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Just got another e-mail back on this, they seem to have changed it a bit. I'm curious to see how this all pans out.

February 17, 2009

Dear Mike Goodhart,

Thank you for contacting me with your concerns about House Bill 2186. Your feedback is important to me and helps inform the actions I take in the Legislature.

As you may be aware, HB 2186 is a part of Governor Kulongoski’s effort to raise environmental standards in over state and limit carbon emissions.

The intent of section (3)(1)(d) is to allow the Oregon Environmental Quality Commission to set standards for certain replacement parts that can increase greenhouse gas emissions from vehicles, not to ban parts. The standards would apply to both after-market products as well as original parts to the vehicle. The rules would be designed to prevent a significant increase in greenhouse gas emissions from replacement parts while still ensuring a full range of consumer choice in products. The Oregon Department of Environmental Quality (DEQ) does not expect this to affect a large number of products. The proposal is modeled after similar changes in states like California to improve, not ban, automotive parts.

In their testimony before the House Environment and Water Committee, DEQ made clear their commitment to amend the bill with new language to be written in cooperation with the Northwest Automotive Trades Association, the Automobile Aftermarket Industry Association and others to clarify their intent.

Thanks for writing me. It is an honor representing you in the Oregon House of Representatives and I hope you will continue to write me about issues that are important to you.

Sincerely,

Dave Hunt

State Representative

Speaker of the House

http://www.state.leg.or.us