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Filled the tank of the evo last night for $25!!!

I made the plunge. I have plenty of injector, and have been meaning to try this for a long time, but I've been too busy helping other people with their stuff! :)

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Some notes:
-Ran the car till the gas light came on on BP 92 :(

-Left my alt-maps alone (this is my BP92/alky map which includes injector scaling, fuel, timing, and boost)

-on my base maps (normally just pump gas tune) I simply changed the injector scaling by 29% (down). Turned boost down and left timing/fuel maps alone.

-Filled car with Holiday E85 (fall blend I'm sure) for $2.19/gallon, $25.30 total for 11.5 gallons. I realize that E85 is subsidized and no I don't necessarily agree with the practices used to produce it. It's wasteful, arguably worse for the environment, etc.....but F U K it, I'm an american. We've built this nation on being wasteful and polluting! There are worse things in the world, like strippers and politicians...besides, I'm using this to kick my meth habbit.... ;) Seriously though, I am a tinkerer, and this is an experiment for me. If we can produce this stuff for $5/gallon and be nicer on the environment and skip all the other BS, I say hell yea. I am not going to pretend for one moment that I am 'going green' by doing this. I want 105 octane at the pump, that's all :)

Anyways, politics aside...
-I flipped my alky kit on, which triggers my BP92/alky alt-map. WHy? Because there's gasoline left in the lines, silly! I start the car, it idles normally. I wait a few seconds, and rev the car up a bit to about 2000 rpms, and wait for the car to start to idle/run like crap. This never happens, but my fuel trims all of a sudden go way whack (I'm logging all of this). Now flip off the alt-map and drop down to my base E85 tune.

-I then drove for a while, nice and steady. (This is impossible for some people I've come to find out) and watched my fuel trims. I had it at 1008 for gasoline and started at 713 for E85...ended up raising it to 770 to bring fuel trims down to about 0%, but I still have a few gallons of gasoline in the tank (even though light was on) so I'm not gonna kill myself over this until I run the tank dry and fill up again. This is basic evo injector scaling, btw, nothing fancy.

-So now I'm roughly scaled where I want, I try going WOT and watch my wideband (this is key here, w/o this, you are gonna want to go and visit your local tuner...I highly recommend Shane @ DB Performance). My AFR's were in the high 10's, but the car feels flat.

-Turn up boost to where it was on BP92/alky map. 29psi tapering to about 23-24 at redline. Re log WOT runs, check AFR's, and proceed to dial them in.

-At this point I'm sitting thinking....the car is boosting good and AFR is nice at around 11.8:1, but it feels kinda FLAT. I contemplated it for a few moments as I checked some other stuff out, and then realized I hadn't touched timing yet :) So I proceeded to copy over my BP92/alky timing map to my base map section and let'er buck. Power is back, car feels awesome.

-What next? Well my goal here is to try and run more timing, and thus make more power. So I toss a few extra degrees at the car and it just takes it. Car feels AWESOME. Previously I was making 357whp and had made a best of 365whp with an extra degree or two of timing but the car would knock. Now with 3' of extra timing, the car freaking RIPS and I am PUMPED! This means two thigns:
-->E85 is an awesome fuel for boosted cars, I am able to get more power out of it than my BP92/alky map. BUT!
-->Who's to say that if I add a second alky jet to my BP92/alky tune I won't see similar results? E85 is just gas with a massive percentage of alcohol mixed in.....adding an extra alky jet (currently running a single 1.0mm/~450cc jet) would be an add a lot of octane/cooling mixture.

I'm gonna roll on E85 for a while. It's fall, I'm curious what happens when I fill up at various stations and whatnot, people always complain about their car running like sh1t here and there, blah blah blah. More comments to come later.

BTW, whenever I run out of E85 stations, guess what I can do? Pull up to a BP and fill up, then flip my alky kit back on, triggering my alt-map (BP92/alky) tune, then ZOOOOOM!

Thanks for reading.

Re: Filled the tank of the evo last night for $25!!!

Awesome! It's cool to see how easy it is to switch between the fuels on EVOs and tune it. Flashing FTW!

Re: Filled the tank of the evo last night for $25!!!

Very cool read! Its nice to see this stuff documented.

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Yay for driving up the cost of food and oil while further destroying our economy!

Re: Filled the tank of the evo last night for $25!!!

I hate you, Scheides. Making power so easily... Wanna trade cars for a year?

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Originally Posted by cmspaz (Post 260816)

I hate you, Scheides. Making power so easily... Wanna trade cars for a year?

Why? Buy DSMLink, some 880s, and a fuel pump and go visit shane and you'll be kicking some BIG power gains.

Then again, you could do Aquamist HFS-1 on top of a fuel pump, some evo 560cc injectors, and S-AFC and probably get similar results!

Re: Filled the tank of the evo last night for $25!!!

E-85 is $2.02 in Coon Rapids today :D

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Originally Posted by Kracka (Post 260815)

Yay for driving up the cost of food and oil while further destroying our economy!

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=13199

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In January, GM announced that it was buying an undisclosed stake in ethanol startup Coskata and partnering with the company to help achieve its vision of a fossil-fuel-free future. At the time many people were confused -- who was this little company? And how did they hope to achieve their vision of making cellulosic ethanol from non food-based sources on a commercial scale, at a time when all commercial production was from sugar crops? And most of all, how would they achieve their biggest claim -- $1/gallon production cost ethanol?

At the third annual Platts Cellulosic Ethanol and Biofuels conference we encountered a different Coskata -- a more mature company that is now poised to become an industry leader thanks to the foundation of hard research it laid.

Coskata was among the first to present at the conference and made few friends among its ethanol producer competitors. Chief Marketing Officer put on a presentation in which he laid out the differences between Coskata's method and alternative cellulosic ethanol methods, which require either expensive pretreatment or even more expensive enzymes. The irony was not lost when the various competitors that followed bemoaned the high costs of enzymes and pretreatment.

Coskata's process has the potential to revolutionize the industry, because it's unique. We got to take a look at this process first-hand when we toured Coskata's 30,000+ sq. ft state-of-the-art research facility in Warrenville, IL. With no pretreatment, carbon containing materials are put into a gasification chamber, where they're exposed to a plasma torch at 20,000 F, as hot as the surface of the sun. Clean gas leaves the reactor. Sulfur is harvested for later use, and halogen gases are also collected for resale. The leftover slag is inert and is an ideal brick or highway material.

From the gasification chamber, pure carbon-bearing gas flows into a reactor. Inside the reactor specially bred microbes live, or "bugs" as Mr. Bolsen affectionately refers to the little critters as. The microbes are derived from 5 different original lines from Oklahoma State University and Oklahoma University. The bugs live in special reactors. Mr. Bolsen showed off two of the proprietary designs -- a still and then a membrane tube reactor filled with thin filaments. Coskata plans on deploying both, possibly, as both work great. Inside the reactor the food gas is converted to pure ethanol, releasing at 99.7 percent purity. The process entirely eliminates enzymes and the need to go through complex purification for the resulting product.

Coskata now estimates that its ethanol will cost less than $1/gallon to produce, easily beating the DOE long range target of $1.25 a gallon. By Coskata's estimates, this trumps chemical approaches which at best cost between $1.25-$2.50/gallon with current tech and enzymatic approaches which current cost between $2-$5/gallon. Best of all their process yields 100 gallons/dry ton of material and only requires a gallon of water per gallon of gas.

Coskata's estimates their approach reduces greenhouse gas emissions by as much as 96 percent from well (trees/grass/waste) to wheels (GREET analysis), including all energy costs. These numbers come from a study on Coskata's wood-based fuel production, performed by U.S. government Department of Energy Scientist Dr. Michael Wang, at one of the country's top labs -- Argonne National Laboratories. Assuming this the analysis looked at pure ethanol, and factoring in the low energy content of ethanol and a E85 blending with gas, DailyTech estimates that Coskata may be able delivering E85 that produces 60-70% less emissions than fossil fuels. This may be a bit conservative as power generation from the steam byproducts of ethanol production may save even more emissions.

With such promising tech, Coskata is looking to aggressively bring the tech to market. It plans to both build its own plants and license its reactor and microbe technology to various locations. Construction on the first full scale plant will begin likely late this year or early next, according to Coskata. The plant will produce 50-60M gallon/yr. Sources say that the plant may be located in the Southeast U.S. The exact location is still up in the air as several competitors have competing proposals. The first plant will most likely be fueled by wood waste as an energy source. The plant will consume approximately 500,000 dry tons of material yearly.

Mr. Bolsen indicated that while the Renewable Fuel Standards set in place by recent legislation help his company, Coskata is likely to be able to succeed with or without tax credits. This will be difficult for some of the other second generation ethanol companies, according to Mr. Bolsen.

Mr. Bolsen, in an exclusive interview with DailyTech, stated, "Coskata would look to be viable without subsidies. But it would be unbelievably detrimental to scrap the energy credits. (Still) If we can make (ethanol) 50 cents less at the pump than gasoline, consumers are going to demand it."

The real key to Coskata's magic is their state-of-the-art guided evolution facility. Coskata has invested in a robotic system unlike any in the world, thanks to its hiring of several of the world's top microbial geneticists. The fully automated facility tests over 150,000 strands of bugs a year and is so top secret, that we could not even enter it during the tour. It has allowed Coskata's bugs to advance beyond those of any other ethanol producer in efficiency.

As Coskata aggressively advances, it really is looking better and better. It has been working to develop partnerships in South America and China as well as a wealth of domestic offers in the U.S. It is looking to build and license facilities to process everything from wood to trash into cheap fuel. Meanwhile Coskata's microbes keep getting more and more efficient -- and that's without easy genetic modifications that could improve yields (Coskata's bugs are currently non-GMO).

Mr. Bolsen envisions a future where Coskata delivers updated microbes regularly to partners, like Microsoft delivers software patches. And with a solid infrastructure in place and commercialization in place, it seems they can do it and accomplish the seemingly impossible -- bring cheap commercial scale alternative fuels to the masses within the very near future.

Re: Filled the tank of the evo last night for $25!!!

I can't wait to come home and fill up the talon this weekend! Gas in illinios is fuckin still 3.45.. Not sure on E85 though..

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Originally Posted by Kracka (Post 260815)

Yay for driving up the cost of food and oil while further destroying our economy!

Obama is going to do it anyway. If you can't beat 'em, join 'em.

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Originally Posted by Goat Blower (Post 260839)

Obama is going to do it anyway. If you can't beat 'em, join 'em.

Crap, you're right :(

Re: Filled the tank of the evo last night for $25!!!

Atta boy, Scheides!

Since, for one reason or another, we are living in the Midwest there is no reason not to take advantage of the plentiful race gas at the pump. The other great thing about e-85 is that it burns so much cooler than even traditional race gas. I noticed my engine temps dropped quite a bit when converting over. Timing advance is key with e-85, run as much advance as possible since the fuel burns quite a bit slower than gasoline.

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Originally Posted by Kracka (Post 260846)

Crap, you're right :(

Owned!
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Re: Filled the tank of the evo last night for $25!!!

Damn you Scheides. A can of corn just cost me an outrageous, un-affordable price, of 69 cents. You will burn for this!

PS welcome to the dark side :D

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Some curiosity here, Scheidies mentioned how he uses BP for gas. My cousin also said that he liked BP when he had my car. What's making BP so preferable?

E-85 sounds like something I would like to get into.

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Originally Posted by TsiEagleTalon92 (Post 260908)

Some curiosity here, Scheidies mentioned how he uses BP for gas. My cousin also said that he liked BP when he had my car. What's making BP so preferable?

It's usually just a better quality/more consistant gas. They underrate the octane on pump a little.

Re: Filled the tank of the evo last night for $25!!!

the bp station off of brooklyn blvd in crooklyn dark was 2.81 for 92 today!

Re: Filled the tank of the evo last night for $25!!!

I'm about to join you on the dark side. Today I ordered the last parts I need to convert my fuel system over to corndizzle. I can't wait.

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Originally Posted by TsiEagleTalon92 (Post 260908)

Some curiosity here, Scheidies mentioned how he uses BP for gas. My cousin also said that he liked BP when he had my car. What's making BP so preferable?

Highest quality pump gas MN has to offer. A lot of us on here use BP Ultimate exclusively.

Re: Filled the tank of the evo last night for $25!!!

^wait till your using it, the inconsistency is amazing.

Anywho, i filled up for 19.00 even today it was sweet.

I was also gonna tell scheides that kracka will be mad at you.