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scheides 11-16-2006 11:33 AM

New Skyline to feature Electric Assist Turbos?
 
Apparently the new skyline is rumored to feature two of these puppies:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...turbo_05_z.jpg

Looks um...interesting!

ABV 11-16-2006 11:43 AM

Re: New Skyline to feature Electric Assist Turbos?
 
So is that to help spool up? It seems like a pretty good concept in theory. It also seems like it would at least double the price. I can't even imagine what kind of electrical components and materials they would use for that kind of heat.

Off to google I go!!! :D

ABV 11-16-2006 11:51 AM

Re: New Skyline to feature Electric Assist Turbos?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ABV (Post 166786)
Off to google I go!!! :D

And I'm back.

http://www1.eere.energy.gov/vehicles...eer_shahed.pdf

I'm going to have to read through that when I have a chance. I think the basic idea is to reduce turbolag and integrate the turbo with other electrical components (ecu, egr, fuel injection, etc.).

A//// Guy 11-16-2006 11:59 AM

Re: New Skyline to feature Electric Assist Turbos?
 
That is pretty sweet! Amazing the electronics can withstand the heat.

Pushit2.0 11-16-2006 12:31 PM

Re: New Skyline to feature Electric Assist Turbos?
 
Cool I guess, I am not a fan of instant spool, low end with no top end power. The VNT turbos is where its at, once they make them bigger.

~John

rst95eclipse 11-16-2006 12:35 PM

Re: New Skyline to feature Electric Assist Turbos?
 
That small thing is going to have lag? And I don't see why the computer would need to have another sensor to take account for. If it's getting oil (and coolant) then there shouldn't be a reason to recieve data from it. Unless you want the shaft speed.....

Gopherkid 11-16-2006 12:45 PM

Re: New Skyline to feature Electric Assist Turbos?
 
I might be way off, but is it supposed to be like the new 911 turbo and diesels with the variable veins in it?

MustGoFaster 11-16-2006 01:11 PM

Re: New Skyline to feature Electric Assist Turbos?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Gopherkid (Post 166804)
I might be way off, but is it supposed to be like the new 911 turbo and diesels with the variable veins in it?


The goal is the same, the method is way different. Good "low end" power with good "top end" power is the goal. The variable vain does it by essentially changing the exhaust side AR. This new one here does it by using a turbo that is sized for top end performance and using a built in electric motor to make it boost at low RPM for better power. Or at least that's how I interpret it.

One thing to note, in that document that's linked, it seems the focus is fuel economy. The turbo is small, because it's going on a small motor. Performance in this case seems to be getting the same power form a smaller motor, and increasing fuel economy while doing so. All this new awesome technology that would rock for sports cars, is really being designed mostly with economy cars in mind.

Thor06 11-16-2006 03:52 PM

Re: New Skyline to feature Electric Assist Turbos?
 
Damn. Thats pretty interesting. Is the VNT the variable geometry turbo? Sweet concepts.

Bode 11-16-2006 03:54 PM

Re: New Skyline to feature Electric Assist Turbos?
 
I think that is a good idea.

Gopherkid 11-16-2006 04:14 PM

Re: New Skyline to feature Electric Assist Turbos?
 
I wonder how the electric assist will turn out if they do throw it on the skyline? It would be badass if they could get the same responce that variable veins did for the 911. Diesel level torque in sports cars is awsome:D

gofastman 11-16-2006 04:15 PM

Re: New Skyline to feature Electric Assist Turbos?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pushit2.0 (Post 166800)
Cool I guess, I am not a fan of instant spool, low end with no top end power. The VNT turbos is where its at, once they make them bigger.

~John

I agree. VTN FTW!
They must have some strong motors. Spooling a turbo is no easy task, just the frictional losses can add up to a few HP

MustGoFaster 11-16-2006 04:22 PM

Re: New Skyline to feature Electric Assist Turbos?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by gofastman (Post 166849)
I agree. VTN FTW!
They must have some strong motors. Spooling a turbo is no easy task, just the frictional losses can add up to a few HP

It's 1.75 KW to the shaft, about 2 KW input. Which is about 2.3 HP to the shaft. I only skimmed the info but that's what I picked up.

tpunx99GSX 11-16-2006 04:37 PM

Re: New Skyline to feature Electric Assist Turbos?
 
I may just have to call the development team over at garrett to see if they need someone to test these puppies. They use our Laser Vibrometers during their development stages.

Super Bleeder!! 11-16-2006 04:56 PM

Re: New Skyline to feature Electric Assist Turbos?
 
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. Thats gonna happen!!!

92EvilTalon 11-16-2006 05:42 PM

Re: New Skyline to feature Electric Assist Turbos?
 
Very interesting stuff here. I also like to see how it plays out on the new Skylines. But that is just some crazy stuff there.

Goat Blower 11-16-2006 05:46 PM

Re: New Skyline to feature Electric Assist Turbos?
 
Hell, I'll just build my own assisted turbo with a big 12V exhaust fan, like they sell on Ebay. My 3575 will hit full boost by 2000rpm. Mmmmmm, boost.

gofastman 11-16-2006 05:58 PM

Re: New Skyline to feature Electric Assist Turbos?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tpunx99GSX (Post 166857)
Laser Vibrometers

sounds kinky

YiNYaNg 11-16-2006 05:59 PM

Re: New Skyline to feature Electric Assist Turbos?
 
I'm confused?

They want to make power in the power band that's for daily driving and expect fuel economy :confused:

gofastman 11-16-2006 06:01 PM

Re: New Skyline to feature Electric Assist Turbos?
 
/starts slow clap


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