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scheides 01-07-2010 09:52 AM

CBRD BBK-B aka BBK-XL turbo
 
Alright, enough talk about FP products! It's time for some blue billet fun. CBRD has been working on a slightly bigger compressor wheel for the BBK, and they're calling it the BBK-B. Apparently it is still SMALLER than a FP Red, but the numbers sure look promising.

GST has a customer car they've been testing out a BETA version of this on, it is a cast version of the wheel, and chad said the final version will be billet and also mentioned that it will be slightly larger still. Actual airflow rates are not out yet, but I'm *guessing* it'll be near their EvoX turbo @ 57lbs/min. FWIW, the original BBK is rated at only 47lbs/min, yet seems to put out numbers shockingly close to FP Red setups (from what I've seen locally) with better bottom-end and a little more drop-off on the top-end (after peak whp).

Like the FP Red and Black, both the BBK and BBK-B share the same turbine wheel, making upgrading for existing customers very cost effective.

Now, let's look at some numbers. This is GST's Mustang dyno, it seems to read nice and conservative, similar to our local heartbreaker dynos. Remember, this turbo is still 100% STOCK APPEARING, stock WGA, stock compressor cover, etc. Once an intake is strapped on, its incognito :)

Here's the test car with a standard BBK. Note that it's a 2.3L so torque is a little insane, esp since its on E85. The lower graph is the exact same setup, on the stock 2.0L. 442whp/410wtq@30psi on the 2.0L (not far off from my car) and then 458whp/460wtq on the 2.3L.
http://www.norcalmotorsports.org/use...KXL_010210.jpg


Mods (this is a cali car, so it has a LOT of stock stuff on it, including the stock intake snorkel!):
GST 2.3L stroker
Oversized valves in head (no head porting)
3" Downpipe
3" Agency Power catback
RRE rally cat (resonated test pipe)
Titek V2 tubular 02 housing
Ported stock exhaust manifold
CBRD BBK Full XL Beta (ported)
GST open cone air filter
Perrin FMIC
AMS LICP
Stock BOV
Cosworth M2 mivec cams
FIC "BlueMax" 1250cc injectors
AEM fuel Rail
AMS fuel return line
Denso IKH24 spark plugs (1 heat range colder)
GM 3 port boost solenoid using ECU-controlled boost
Stock ECU (Tephra V7 ROM)
Stock MAF
Stock Intake Manifold
Stock Upper IC pipes
E85

Then, the BBK was swapped out for the BBK-B Beta:
http://www.norcalmotorsports.org/use...BBK_081509.jpg
476whp/464wtq. Note the minor loss in spool-up and the basically +20wtq from 5000rpm up. Very little lost for a fair amount gained!

At this point, the car was out of fuel, so a few things were added:
-synapse BOV
-FIC 1550 injectors
-BlaqOps Double fuel pump setup
Here's where the car is at today, still on the BETA wheel. 502whp/481wtq@32psi, tapering to 28:
http://www.norcalmotorsports.org/use...KXL_010210.jpg

net gain, +44whp/+21wtq, and about 100-150rpm loss in spool-up.

Now, time for speculation:
I'm super curious how this turbo will perform on pump gas. BBK Full did a best of 388whp on my car at only 25psi, will this BBK-B be good for closer to 400? Time will tell! :D Chad said the compressor wheels are still a ways out, so maybe late february we'll see some more actual numbers out of the final version.

goodhart 01-07-2010 10:42 AM

Re: CBRD BBK-B aka BBK-XL turbo
 
So when do you get yours? :banana:






-where did the little raising eyebrow smiley go?

Constant_Project21 01-07-2010 10:52 AM

Re: CBRD BBK-B aka BBK-XL turbo
 
I hate you evo guys and your crazy ability to make easy hp..hahaha. That 2.3l sounds like a crazy fun car, and with it still just in the beta phase, I can't wait to see what the actual production turbo puts out. Keep us posted scheides!

mlomker 01-07-2010 11:10 AM

Re: CBRD BBK-B aka BBK-XL turbo
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Constant_Project21 (Post 318446)
I hate you evo guys and your crazy ability to make easy hp..hahaha.

Not sure that I'd call a stroker kit that's in the neighborhood of $5k just for parts an easy upgrade.

Constant_Project21 01-07-2010 11:38 AM

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Evos in general, never once said in that post anything about the 2.3l project being easy hp. I realize that's a bit of work, and money, I'm not a ruh-tard.

mlomker 01-07-2010 11:58 AM

Re: CBRD BBK-B aka BBK-XL turbo
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Constant_Project21 (Post 318462)
Evos in general

Nobody would pay what they cost, otherwise. We'll have to see what happens with E85 on a 2 liter.

CVD 01-07-2010 04:11 PM

Re: CBRD BBK-B aka BBK-XL turbo
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mlomker (Post 318469)
Nobody would pay what they cost, otherwise.

I would. I can't believe how many people buy these to make big power. The handling is mind blowing, and I think the factory output is enough to make good use of it.

scheides 01-07-2010 04:29 PM

Re: CBRD BBK-B aka BBK-XL turbo
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CVD (Post 318506)
I would. I can't believe how many people buy these to make big power. The handling is mind blowing, and I think the factory output is enough to make good use of it.

Evos truely are a ton of fun stock, or nearly stock. I still think of my car as mostly stock, let me know if you wanna drive it sometime. Regardless, I picked up one of these for you, let me know when you need it.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/...500_AA250_.jpg

Kracka 01-07-2010 04:52 PM

Re: CBRD BBK-B aka BBK-XL turbo
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by scheides (Post 318508)
I still think of my car as mostly stock

LOL you think of me as a super model too or what?

asshanson 01-07-2010 05:07 PM

Re: CBRD BBK-B aka BBK-XL turbo
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by scheides (Post 318508)
I still think of my car as mostly stock

Weird, I think the same of mine too. Few basic bolt-ons, right?

mlomker 01-07-2010 05:27 PM

Re: CBRD BBK-B aka BBK-XL turbo
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by asshanson (Post 318512)
Weird, I think the same of mine too. Few basic bolt-ons, right?

I'll have a few stock parts on the car. Close enough.

turbotalon1g 01-07-2010 07:18 PM

Re: CBRD BBK-B aka BBK-XL turbo
 
That is all I have.
I think EVOs are awesome esp. since the price is coming down now, If I were starting again say with DSMs I would probably say F it and go evo with all the handling Advantages it has.

Strokers for evos can use good ol' DSM 7 bolts, there is a few guys on link forums running them and one with a 2.4 + mivec = F'n hotness, picked up 100WHP.

ANywho, scheides when you get one of these.

scheides 01-14-2010 10:06 AM

Re: CBRD BBK-B aka BBK-XL turbo
 
More prelimary data, through the grapevine:

http://forums.evolutionm.net/evo-dyn...ml#post7886606

Quote:

Originally Posted by CBRD
the highest BBK on our dyno on pump was 427whp, BBK-B test bed on pump was 439whp same car hotter weather less boost, and calebs evo ix with BBK-B stock cams, stock uicp, perrin intake, turboback, fmic and tune made 397whp on pump

397whp on stock IX cams on pump! Holy eff! I can't wait to see these plots.

scheides 06-28-2010 11:37 AM

Re: CBRD BBK-B aka BBK-XL turbo
 
Pricing announced! $1750 including porting. BBK owners can upgrade for $599 :)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2.../BBKwheels.jpg

scheides 06-30-2010 01:32 PM

Re: CBRD BBK-B aka BBK-XL turbo
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CBRD (Post 8451401)
here are some plots,

28-29 psi on 93,

This car is WAY WAY out of injector up top, you will be able to see where it goes lean around 6600 and then knocks and retards the timing.....

I have 1000cc coming for all three of these cars (all were on 780s) that we are testing this week.

Here is the plot of two pulls, I have also incuded the raw data for boost afr and tq and hp so you can see where it hits those boost levels and the coorelated numbers.

Cheers

CB

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...8psiBBKB-1.jpg


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...NEDATABBKB.jpg

:)

Matt D. 06-30-2010 01:58 PM

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Quote:

780s (boo)
:lol:

scheides 06-30-2010 02:17 PM

Re: CBRD BBK-B aka BBK-XL turbo
 
^Your 850's would support this turbo just fine dizzle :)

Matt D. 06-30-2010 03:21 PM

Re: CBRD BBK-B aka BBK-XL turbo
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by scheides (Post 347183)
^Your 850's would support this turbo just fine dizzle :)

I know! Who needs E85?

turbotalon1g 06-30-2010 04:11 PM

Re: CBRD BBK-B aka BBK-XL turbo
 
^Not u mighty dizzle

Jaei Sun 06-30-2010 09:46 PM

Re: CBRD BBK-B aka BBK-XL turbo
 
I see this on my evo in the future if there isn't too much lag over the stock 9, Looks like this is 300 rpm later than the full, on a car w/ cams.


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