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v8klla 02-23-2011 04:46 PM

MAP's 2008 Evolution X GSR Build Thread aka Project GGX
 
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Well, we've been selling Evo X products for a while now (we actually make several of own in house) and previously had to rely on our local MN Evo X owners for any product development or testing. As our plans for the platform have expanded significantly we decided to bite the bullet and pick one up for ourselves.

I found this beauty at a dealership in Madison, WI (about 250 miles from our shop) and simply couldn't ignore the fact that the previous owner only managed to put 13,9XX miles on it in over two years! The body is pristine and the only flaw I could really find was some curb rash, but the stock wheels will be coming off soon anyways ;)

We've got big plans for this project, which is also my daily driver, but I can't spill the beans just yet. This thread will document the entire build process including installation guides, tech articles, and dyno results. Below is what we're working with as a baseline on 91 octane, it's hard to tell but this thing is super rich, a tune alone should yield substantial gains. Your comments and/or suggestions for the project would be greatly appreciated :)

Murlo26 02-23-2011 04:54 PM

Re: MAP's 2008 Evolution X GSR Build Thread aka Project GGX
 
My suggestion....2.3L overbore motor :) I think AMS is working on one but we know it will be uber expensive. Design a cost effective one.

Or use the 4b12 motor to make a hybrid Evo X design with 2.2-2.4L of displacement that can still rev.

I am excited to see where this goes.

turbotalon1g 02-23-2011 05:33 PM

Re: MAP's 2008 Evolution X GSR Build Thread aka Project GGX
 
Nice project. GGX sounds/looks dirty as a word.

I'm sure they will come up with something good, it looks like the mitsu crowd is finally starting to embrace "stroker" motors.

mlomker 02-23-2011 05:54 PM

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Who'd want a X? I hear they are slow and expensive to mod. :D

Halon 02-23-2011 06:28 PM

Re: MAP's 2008 Evolution X GSR Build Thread aka Project GGX
 
Sweet. Good luck with it, and it'll be interesting to see where it goes. You said it's your DD, so I'm expecting it won't get too nutty?

My only recommendation would be to run a 100mm throttle body.

Shane@DBPerformance 02-23-2011 06:29 PM

Re: MAP's 2008 Evolution X GSR Build Thread aka Project GGX
 
Is it 100% stock?

mlomker 02-23-2011 06:32 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Halon (Post 374544)
I'm expecting it won't get too nutty?

Naw, just means he'll have 10 guys working on the car to minimize the downtime...and all of the parts choices will be bizarre, depending on which vendor gives him free stuff.

Basically just like the Evo X in Modified magazine. ;)

Goat Blower 02-23-2011 09:18 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Shane@DBPerformance (Post 374545)
Is it 100% stock?

That's what I was wondering, seems a little strong for being completely stock. Although I wouldn't be surprised if the X's are more underrated by the factory than the 8/9's.

niterydr 02-23-2011 11:21 PM

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Project GGX huh? What did I win off the Facebook comment contest?
:)

Murlo26 02-24-2011 02:02 AM

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I thought about this more....the current power level.

This seems to be at or around the '10 and '11 stock power level with the better tune. Do they have a new updated flash out now (the dealers) that they put on the car?

Still trying to figure out how the hell it made that power stock, lol.

mlomker 02-24-2011 05:51 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Murlo26 (Post 374568)
Still trying to figure out how the hell it made that power stock, lol.

We'll have to wait and hear if it is stock. My car hit 280 with bolt-ons and no tune. If boost is bumped or there's at least an intake/cat delete then it's quite possible.

http://photos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos..._5311736_n.jpg

Goat Blower 02-24-2011 08:05 AM

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It's right in the first chart. It looks like it hits 20psi by 4000rpm and falls to about 15psi. I'm not sure what they run stock.

mlomker 02-24-2011 08:41 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Goat Blower (Post 374575)
I'm not sure what they run stock.

I think it is 21-22 so close enough.

niterydr 02-24-2011 08:48 AM

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Guys, how many times do we need to go over this? Dyno numbers are just that, numbers. What is important is the gains they will see based off this baseline. Who really cares what a stock car puts down, as long as it is a solid baseline, they are building a foundation to document x% power increase with X mod.

Kracka 02-24-2011 08:49 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mlomker (Post 374576)
I think it is 21-22 so close enough.

Yup. I've seen stock 2010's do 23psig on the dyno, but I'm sure a lot of that depends on loading so "only" 20psig on a DynoJet doesn't surprise me.

Solid numbers though. MAP - have you baselined any other 100% stock X's?

A//// Guy 02-24-2011 08:59 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by niterydr (Post 374577)
Guys, how many times do we need to go over this? Dyno numbers are just that, numbers. What is important is the gains they will see based off this baseline. Who really cares what a stock car puts down, as long as it is a solid baseline, they are building a foundation to document x% power increase with X mod.

Every car must be the same though! Numbers should be exact from stock car to stock car, if they are not, we must decipher why these minuscule differences are happening. :)

goodhart 02-24-2011 09:12 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by A//// Guy (Post 374579)
Every car must be the same though! Numbers should be exact from stock car to stock car, if they are not, we must decipher why these minuscule differences are happening. :)

Must be a .0035729mm variance in throttle body diameter huh? lol

Murlo26 02-24-2011 09:16 AM

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Well several of us have seen dozens of stock X's on dynojets. We aren't saying anything about the numbers except they are higher than a normal X on a dynojet stock.

It's either a freak or he has a mod unknown to him because of the fact its used.

It's on 91 too which is weird. As Chris stated on EvoM it would be beneficial for it to read lower to show better gains after putting MAP parts on there.

I like how people around here get butthurt because we are curious about something...

munchgsx 02-24-2011 09:29 AM

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Bone stock and running richer then 10:1.

Halon 02-24-2011 10:01 AM

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What correction factor was used? I don't see it on the MAP dyno sheet. Mlomker you can see used the SAE correction factor.

Shane@DBPerformance 02-24-2011 10:02 AM

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The stock tune is awesome on those cars. You can pick up a good 50-70whp just from tuning them and doing no mods.

mlomker 02-24-2011 10:27 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Halon (Post 374600)
Mlomker you can see used the SAE correction factor.

That sheet was from the Fall `09 dyno day.

munchgsx 02-24-2011 10:40 AM

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STD

Quote:

Originally Posted by Halon (Post 374600)
What correction factor was used? I don't see it on the MAP dyno sheet. Mlomker you can see used the SAE correction factor.


turbotalon1g 02-24-2011 10:42 AM

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How many bone stock X's have you guys really SEEN in person?

v8klla 02-24-2011 10:46 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by niterydr (Post 374565)
Project GGX huh? What did I win off the Facebook comment contest?
:)

Haha didn't know you suggested that, I told Dan we should call it that before the "contest" but I'll see if we can't get something over to you!

Quote:

Originally Posted by mlomker (Post 374546)
Naw, just means he'll have 10 guys working on the car to minimize the downtime...and all of the parts choices will be bizarre, depending on which vendor gives him free stuff.

Basically just like the Evo X in Modified magazine. ;)

It will progress slowly, but to accomplish our goals she's going to need a built lower end :) And the majority of the parts will be MAP this time around, we learned our lesson in that regard lol.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kracka (Post 374578)
Solid numbers though. MAP - have you baselined any other 100% stock X's?

We've had some come through but we can't recall any names, we need a Cobb like system to keep track by car lol.

scheides 02-24-2011 10:56 AM

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Woot for another X in town!

My advice, convert to e85, keep the tune conservative, have fun on the stock turbo w/ bolt-ons for a bit. AutoX the thing (let's organize!). Have fun with it! Do a stock-frame turbo upgrade (perhaps something custom? ;) ) and push the stock bottom-end a bit. Do some IM testing w/ your rev2/rev3 products, a ported stock TB, and the boomba 75mm guy (see the current TB discussion in the tech section) and see what does what. Maybe even a SMIM?

IDK, just focus on wide powerbands and reliability. That's what make evos evos!

Kracka 02-24-2011 11:44 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by scheides (Post 374607)
Maybe even a SMIM?

We're now in the day of cast :)

Kracka 02-24-2011 11:49 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by v8klla (Post 374606)
we need a Cobb like system to keep track by car lol.

Do it!

scheides 02-24-2011 11:50 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Kracka (Post 374611)
We're now in the day of cast :)

Muahaha here we go, get ready to move this discussion to a new thread!

Two of the four best performing manifolds (that I've seen) for the evo8/9 are SMIM, the other two are cast, one of which is a ported stocker. Granted, the SMIMs have a ton of CNC parts so they are not just pure sheet metal, so I think with MAP's fab department a SMIM would be a real trick piece that I'd love to see tested out (with various TB's). :D

Goat Blower 02-24-2011 12:15 PM

Re: MAP's 2008 Evolution X GSR Build Thread aka Project GGX
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by scheides (Post 374607)
My advice, convert to e85, keep the tune conservative, have fun on the stock turbo w/ bolt-ons for a bit. AutoX the thing (let's organize!). Have fun with it! Do a stock-frame turbo upgrade (perhaps something custom? ;) ) and push the stock bottom-end a bit. Do some IM testing w/ your rev2/rev3 products, a ported stock TB, and the boomba 75mm guy (see the current TB discussion in the tech section) and see what does what. Maybe even a SMIM?

You do realize this is a parts development mule, don't you? I would guess the BPU mods have already been beat to death. I'm guessing this thing is going to go big real soon because there's not as many parts available for that crowd. Besides, Chris has a pretty nice daily driver in case the GGX is in the shop for an extra day or two. :nod:

niterydr 02-24-2011 12:25 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by v8klla (Post 374606)
Haha didn't know you suggested that, I told Dan we should call it that before the "contest" but I'll see if we can't get something over to you!


I am in your head stealing your thoughts!!:banana:

v8klla 02-28-2011 10:46 AM

Re: MAP's 2008 Evolution X GSR Build Thread aka Project GGX
 
Confirmed that she's still rocking stock exhaust this weekend as I finally got it up on the lift, should have the first modification (air intake) with dyno results done this week!

In the meantime, I used to rock these wheels on my Evo 8, yay or nay? And yes I know it's dirty, we got several inches of snow on Saturday and as I outlined above this is my daily ;)

http://www.maperformance.com/rehost/evox-works2.jpg

goodhart 02-28-2011 10:50 AM

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Looks nice, what size are they? Narrow wheels look funny on X's IMHO

Murlo26 02-28-2011 10:54 AM

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The rims looks good, might look a bit better with a lil wider. I think 9.5" are the perfect size, that's what I wish I went with.

It's hard to tell until you drop the car, I'd assume you are going to drop it a bit at some point. Or you can rock the monster truck style like me :)

goodhart 02-28-2011 10:59 AM

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What is the stock wheel size on a X?

Kracka 02-28-2011 11:02 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by goodhart (Post 374903)
What is the stock wheel size on a X?

18x8.5

goodhart 02-28-2011 11:04 AM

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hmm ok, must be the offset that makes scheides' look so sunken in then.

/off topic

v8klla 02-28-2011 11:13 AM

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These are 18 x 9.5" Work Emotion CR Kai :) The outer edge of the wheel lines up almost perfectly with the body line, although I do need some wider tires, they are 245's right now I need 255's or larger. Anyone know if I will have issues with rubbing in the rear?

Murlo26 02-28-2011 11:17 AM

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Lomker should know, he runs 265's on his 9.5's. I don't think he rubs.

What offset are you running?

Go 265's if you get new tires, unless it rubs, fill that rim out! :)

mlomker 02-28-2011 11:51 AM

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What is the offset? I run 18x9.5 +28 and it's perfect. Anything more aggressive and you'll want to roll the rears. I'm running Star Specs in 265 but I could run a 275 in an NT05/narrower tire.


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