Is My Car F'd?
 

So I finally got my car working and drove it around a bit. as I was coming home My car was making a loud clunking noise. So by orders of SleepyDSM I pulled the oil pan. When I drained the oil I notices Problem 1, The oil looked mitallic silver(a nice color for a car I might add). So I went on pulling the pan. When The pan was out I fished through the bottom of the pan and found some pretty big metal shavings. Then I went through the oil with my hands and came up with some more. There is a pic of the metal that came out(No the dime did not come out I thought that might help with sizing). Now this metal is REALLY light weight and is NOT magnetic if that helps at all. I visually inspecected the shortblock and most everythign looks good. I did notice on the front(of car) BS bearing may be gone. The BS are gone But it seems like the bearing I put in there may be gone. I really cant tell. Can anyone help me out here. Could this TOTALLY Fuck my car up? What should I do? Thanks for the help guys!
Mike

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in short...yeah your fucked.
Start tearing it apart, hopefully the crank survived.

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Crankwalk? Those seem like some awefully large pieces of metal.

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HOW the hell did he get metal in there? What came off?????

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Its a 6 bolt. How would it fuck up the crank or anything? Theres no room for metal to get inbetween.

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What's your engine specs? Stock? Built? Milage?

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Stock Rebuilt. 500 miles on rebuild. Topline rebuild kit. Mitsu BS Removal stuff. Stock bore. Stock crank. Dont know the milage of the engine before Rebuild.

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It would fuck up the crank because....
The oil pump would pickup the metal/oil combo and evenly distribute it between the new bearings and the crank/rod surfaces.
Don't worry, it also sends the metal filled oil up to your head to coat your cams.
Usually a balance shaft failure just makes clunks, when it makes a metal/oil combo, the motor suffers. Good luck.
Its a bearing that went to the shitter. Start checking to see where it came from. Check your oil pump for excess run out now, check your rods, etc...

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Why couldnt the bearing from the BS thats not there fall out and fall into the crank area and get all Fucked up? I dont know if its a CS bearing or a rod bearing cuz i cant see how that would come out cuz its such a tight fit.

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HOLY SHIT. Nice surprise eh? We'll get it all fixed Mike!

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VENT...well there goes a good 3 grand down the fucking drain. I should of just burnt the fucking money it would have given me more fucking pleasure and a better rush

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Who did the b-shaft bearing install?
The motor rebuild?

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me and me. And im not some piece of shit that doesnt know what the to do. I did everything to the specs on the DSM CD and tryed to take my time.

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Never said or implied you did, mistakes happen.
Have you done anymore diagnosis? Has it been confirmed that a balance shaft bearing is missing?

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I know. Im crabby and I know alot of people would be like oh he dont know what the fuck he doin. Have not looked at it since. One question that might help me with the diagnos. Where is the oiling hole for the BS on the exhaust side of the engine. The hole I found was at about 5 Oclock when looking from camgear side to tranny side. Cuz I know When I put the bearing in the holes did not line up(As directed in Vfaq). So if thats where the oiling hole is on the block then the bearing is gone. And thanks a bunch for your help it is GREATLY appreciated!

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After all that metal ran through the motor it definately made it's way through the bearings in the turbo. Not that you want to hear this, but the turbo is probably trash now.

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I donno. when I took out my pan And when I took the drain tube off it looked like black oil that came out.

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sry to hear this mike

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I've been in the market for a spyder...

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The front balance shaft oiling is around the 3 oclock position actually looking at your angle (from the front case side of the motor).

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So today I took a more indepth look at the damage. See for yourself. The main bearing isnt too bad, it has one kinda bad groove. now the rod bearing thats a different story. thats has like a little spot of goodness on it. the rest is peaks and valleys. What would you suggest I do? pull the engine and replace bearings and stuff? Can this be done with the egine in the car. The car isnt coming out til spring so i do have the time. Let me know. also the BS bearing I was talking about turns out to be in the back not the front.

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Was there any machine work done? Who did the actual assembly of the shortblock? You will not get around tearing the ENTIRE engine down and starting from scratch.

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Had the block hot tanked and honed at kath on rice st. And I did the whole engine buildup.

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What was the clearance on the mains/rods?

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I would recommend a full tear down. Tough break.

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This is a tech thread, so if you don't have any technical advice then shut the fuck up. If you two want to tug at each other panties do it somewhere else.

As far as your motors goes blageo I think you already know where you stand. You must have messed something up during the rebuild or overlooked something. But in actuality thats how you learn. Its up to you to find out where you messed up and not do it again.

Oh yeah if you do it again, I would stay clear of the Topline rebuild kits. Unless they have done something totally different recently I haven't heard anything good about them.

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Yeah the topline rebuild kit is mostly junk, but I wasn't going to adress that. The "norm" now is to use the cheapest most inferior part available (this is across the import community). Its how companies like ss autochrome and all the other knockoff/bastard companies stay in business.

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I cleaned some of the garbage out.

Tough break.

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I actually read into topline on dsmtuner. And like over half the people said it was good and they had no problems. And I figures SBR is a good company from what I have heard so I figured that they wouldnt sell junk.

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Its not nessessarly selling a 'junk' product, to them they are selling something in demand. The topline is good for the money, but compared to bearings I'd recommend, they are junk.

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They also have a huge problem with oil pumps that seize up after 300 miles or so. That could be what happened here.

Start over, use mostly Mitsu rebuild parts where possible, and make sure you check everything that had oil going through it, including the oil cooler. If you had a external one, throw it away, you can't clean them out enough not to trash a new motor.

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Ok this time I am going to go with Mitsu pars mostly. My funds are limited tho. Just from reading this what should be replaced? Bearings is a given. And I need new rocker arms and possibly cams.

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You are going to have to spend a lot of time cleaning oil passages too. Check the lifters too if the rocker arms are bad. Hopefully the rods are ok, check for any discoloration and also the wrist pins.

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A must:
-Rod bearings
-Main bearings
-balance shaft bearings (either replace, plug, or what not)
-misc gaskets you'll need after tearing it apart
most likely:
-Oil pump assembly (not just the gears, probably need a front case, check spec)
-turbo
-crank will probably have to be machined
-rods possibly
-cams?
-hla's could just need a clean, oil squirters will need to be cleaned or replaced

Pretty much anything in the oiling system should be inspected for damage.
Mitsu parts we always use:
-Gaskets
-some bearings (if its a performance motor, it'll get kings or acl's)
-oil pump's
-sometimes water pumps
-misc other parts.
Mitsubishi has a very good quality control compared to most "aftermarket" parts companies, and it shows with the consistancy of the parts.

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Yah this is old but I was doing a search and found a bunch of stuff about the oil pump failing. could that have cause all the chunks of metal? also how do i check if this is my prob?
thanks,
Mike

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Make sure it spins freely, and take it apart. (if you haven't already) The CD you have should have the specs on it.

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Old Thread Back from the dead...Today I took the engine out and took it all apart. Oil pump to me looked good, crank looks good, bearing are bad. The bearings looked as tho they shrunk. They come right out of where they sit. When I put them in they were tight. any thoughts as to what could have happend?

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I would think it is ither a oil pump issue, or the bearing clearence is out of spec. I would have the crank checked out. Crank shaft supply, Wagamon Brothers (wags). King bearings would be a good idea along with a line hone with new mitsu main bolts. You might want to check your bearing specs with somthing other than plastic gauge, inside bore micrometer, and a normal micrometer work well.

~John

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I would be kind of leary about the crank. The rod bearings looked really bad. I agree that a line hone should be done as well as the crank polished. I would use King or ACL bearings when u reassemble it.