Does anyone run an auto DSM?
 

Anyone? I'm still seriously considering an auto swap for my '90 AWD TSi. With ITP selling 4K rpm stalls for $475 I'm wondering why more people aren't going auto.

Re: Does anyone run an auto DSM?
 

Yes they do, but 5 speeds are more fun to drive. Although some are finding out that an auto can be just as fast as a 5-speed, if not faster.

Re: Does anyone run an auto DSM?
 

Have you seen the auto that ran 10.0 with a stock auto w/restalled converter, stock longblock, GT35R and spray? 1.4 sixty foots.

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Auto are definetly a great choice if doing a all out drag car. There are more and more fast auto DSMs coming out. Many of them in the 10s on stock trannies, with the exception of stalls, shift kits, and end clutches. Yes a 5 speed is more fun to drive on the street however an auto in my opinion is way more reliable when it comes to DSMs. If I were to build a all out drag car DSM I would definetly go auto, either that or a shep dogbox.

So it all depends on how much power you want to make and what you want out of the car.

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Yes, I have seen video of that car. Its a daily driver as well with no nitrous I believe.

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Personally, I think the cable operated shifters in a DSM is comparable to shifting with a wet noodle. My first manual trans was a Muncie shifted by a Verti-gate, so my opinion is a bit skewed. :D I have a different idea of what a manual shifter should feel like. I still laugh when I see how small the clutch assembly is in a DSM. It's just so damn cute!

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I was talking about Lee's GSX.



91 Auto Talon
1.40 60ft
6.37@108mph
10.00@133mph


Gt35r, 272 cams, magnus intake, 3 inch exhaust turn dowm under rear axles, race core intercooler,dsmlink, restalled stock convertor, welded center diff, IPT push button shifter, shift kit. Stock motor, 75 shot for spool, some weight reduction.

Re: Does anyone run an auto DSM?
 

I ran my auto gsx, but it takes alot more money I think to make them go faster.

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They can be built very very fast and can be reliable. The automatic transmission is the Ultimate drag trans.

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It depends on what you want it to do. A restalled converter is $475, shift kit is around $75. A trans controller can be a DIY thing with a couple of relays or you can pay $500 for an ITP setup. Don't forget a good trans cooler. The car mentioned above has only these trans upgrades.

A manual trans will require at least a good clutch. $350? That's given you have a good hydraulic setup and the trans functions properly. Good luck pulling a 1.4x sixty foot, even on the bottle.

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Autos are the hot setup on 1Gs now. A bunch of people have run 10s lately with higher stall torque convertors and stock to near stock auto trannies. One of the guys even made some paddle shifters for his. 1.4 60's are common for the auto guys running fast.

Re: Does anyone run an auto DSM?
 

Autos suck, you will hate life. Not only am i an owner, but im also a client. someone please shoot me, i want a manual.

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Yup, I've seen two different paddle shifter setups.

http://www.tcugo.com/

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That's my plan with the other talon. 3200 stall ipt tq converter, end clutches and their reworked valve body. This should really wake up the t28 that I put on earlier this year. You can see the engine making boost but it doesn't get to the wheels.

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Holy shit, why didn't anyone tell me about this sooner?! I've been trying to find a way to make my auto faster.. I really want a shift kit, but I heard they are reallllly rare. So where are people buying this stuff? Online??

Re: Does anyone run an auto DSM?
 

Very rare.

http://www.importperformancetrans.co...uto.shtml#main

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I want that paddle shift kit. I just emailed the site, so hopefully i will get some info back.

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This is all 1G turbo stuff. Not 2G non-turbo.

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The shift kits are pretty inexpensive but you will need it profressionally installed since there are a lot of different springs and spacers. I think you can get a shift kit for about 75 dollars whether its a 1G or a 2G turbo. I am not sure about N/A Tauni.

You can get the Alto end clutch kit for around 125 and the stall for about 475. So basically for under 600 you can have a pretty bullet proof drivetrain setup on a DSM. Might not be as fun on the street but its not fun pulling fucking trannies every weekend because of busted shit either. Synchro trannies are nice when they are in good condition but grind them gears a few times and its all down hill from there. Eventually they don't go into gear very good and then you start breaking shift rails and forks. Unless you have a fully built shep tranny like JET and some others a 5 speed is not all that dependable on a high HP DSM that shifts above 8500.

Re: Does anyone run an auto DSM?
 

Are any of the fast FWD guys running autos?
I've always loved autos for drag racing. No missed shifts and dead on consistancy, not to mention faster shifts and less gears to row through.

Re: Does anyone run an auto DSM?
 

www.importperformancetrans.com has 1g, 2g turbo and non-turbo shift kits. These guys do to. http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/show....php?p=1618542

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There's a Colt with a home built auto that went 9.70's.

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And Kiggly with the FWD auto that was going low 10 or high 9s. He did switch to a 5 speed at one time, don't know if he switched back or not.

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Yeah Kigglys car was at the shootout a few years ago and it was running low 10s with an auto FWD. Laggy ass turbo with a lot of nitrous after the 60' mark. The car just a pooch until after the 60' and then it just took off like a raped ape.

Re: Does anyone run an auto DSM?
 

Want an Auto setup? Come take mine away! I HATE it!

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Give it to me for free! That will be my winter project.

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anyone know how much those paddle shifters run for a price?

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If you ever seriously want to talk Dollars and a trade, just let me know!

I'll swing you a deal on a CLEAN 98, AWD Tsi man!

Otherwise I'll be going the IPT route this spring with 75 shot.....as the master has suggested......:->

Re: Does anyone run an auto DSM?
 

I spoke to the guy that makes the paddle shifters for the autos, and he said that they will be coming out soon, its still in the beta version, hes just putting on the final details, i told him i would gladly be a beta customer if it could buy it earlier, just waiting for a responce from him.

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If you can take the tranny out if your car, you can install a shift kit. There is really nothing complicated. If you want to make a much better difference, install different clutch packs. Get more plates, with a thinner diameter. The more clutch plates / steel plates you use, the quicker the impact of the shift.

Automatic trannies are simple. If you have a grasp of hydraulics and can identify the parts inside an AT tranny, you can do anything with them. The planetary design can simply just hold more power than the weaker setup of an MT. Instead of having 2-3 teeth holding gears together, you have entire gears driving / being driven by other gears. Just makes more sense.

However, for street driving, I hate AT trannies. Boring, gay and STUPID problems come up. Diagnostics on an MT are a little easier than an AT unless you understand the active parts in an AT. Power cycle.

Bernie, you are clearly right on if you want to make your car as fast as you can while still reliable. AT all the way old man ;)

Re: Does anyone run an auto DSM?
 

You just have to be smarter than the transmission. Ask KC how dumb his 5-speed is. That TOB was squealing it's butt off last night. After some wrestling and another TOB, all was quiet again. We'll see how boring it gets when we launch with full boost and a bottle. :D


I still see a BJ's headed 2.4, GT35R, auto w/4k converter and spray in my future. Just gotta wait for the right deals to come along.

Beyond all that, I'm just tired of shifting. My King Ranch has spoiled me. :)

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Sounds like someone has been learning at school :). Good job.

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Yes I have learned a lot, but if I keep missing school like I have the last couple weeks, it will be a short term learning streak for me. I already hate school with a passion. I hate the fact that it costs me money, otherwise I wouldn't mind it. But you have to spend money to make money right?

Re: Does anyone run an auto DSM?
 

Thats what I've been told ::looks around the shop filled with tools:: .
Damm, could have bought a house with all these tools.

Re: Does anyone run an auto DSM?
 

The money is already spent. It would be a shame to lose your money and your chance at an education. Get your butt back in class.

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Does the AEM EMS allow for shift control of the auto, or does some other tcu have to be there also?

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AEM = no auto controller. Your choices are TCU, one of the controllers from IPT or you can go the homemade relay route for a manually operated setup. The relay setup will have max line pressure constantly so you wouldn't want to drive it on the street much. I doubt your front pump would love you anymore.

Re: Does anyone run an auto DSM?
 

My front pump loves me just the same since I'm still running my TRE "race-prepped" 5-speed. ;) I was just curious in case I ever get a "wild hair" to throw a 4500rpm stall auto into my car.

Re: Does anyone run an auto DSM?
 

I run an auto DSM, and I have the IPT stall converter. It works out pretty nice. I finally figured out how to launch better with it, and it doesnt work too bad. Auto's are nice especially in stop and go traffic. I am considering doing a manual swap though.



Adam

Re: Does anyone run an auto DSM?
 

The AEM can do full auto control. But you would need to figure it out yourself. AEM put base maps with auto tranny control in for the MKIV Toyota Supra, but not for much else.