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Seriously, they can't get in there to fix the levee's, and they can't start pumping water until the levee's are fixed. They can't start fixing the 'leaks' because the army corp engineers can't find materials easily, due to the storm blowing it all over the place. Plus the rescue efforts are so intense that there are very few avenues available for transit.
Lets not forget about the looting, gangs, 50,000-60,000 people out in front of the superdome, the gators all over the city, oh yeah, how about mosquito's? They love water, and the west nile virus is known to be down there.
They are saying this is the most deadly and costly storm in us history since the earthquake of 1906.
Discuss...

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The mosquitos will breed in the contaminated water, only increasing the spread of disease, both from water to humans to animals to... You get the picture.

A friend of mine works at a trucking company, which isn't small by any means, his uncle is the owner. Just this morning his uncle was showing signs of worrying about the company's future, and already has word of smaller shipping company's closing down already due to fuel costs.

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It's bad people! I watch the news from the time i get home and until bed. This matter cannot be taken lightly. The mayor said that thousands are to be found dead now. Most everything is so water logged now that it's total destruction. You have up to 1 million people in the surrounding areas homeless. Many have been taken to the Astrodome, but they simply cannot house all these people. And for how long a period of time? Where do they go? What about the psychological effects of it? The diseases are likely to break out if they haven't already.

We spend billions of dollars on other crap and give it away to other countries and when it comes to something like this, we sit. It's been 4 days now and these people aren't going anywhere soon. They're shooting at the rescue helicopters. I think it's time to focus on our own American soil than Iraq Mr. Bush. We have thousands upon thousands of US troops in Iraq, thousands heading down to New Orleans, our Energy system has been comprimised and devastated, we're beginning to tap from the reserves. You know how volnerable that makes this country if North Korea or China wanted to attack us? Who is to say that terrorists aren't planning on something to happen in the very near future.

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how do you have time to worry about that while trying to run your shop? thats what I would like to know....

chris

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the oil reserves wont matter too much... honestly. Plus Why would anyone be hating on our president right now? whoever hates on any president, i would love for them to do his job. Its gotta be hard as hell to do that.

-Colin

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I think the matter is a little bigger than Josh working at the shop. Even if he is still contantly working, he can still be thinking at the same time.

As for hating on the president. Who cares what anyone thinks? If he wants to dig into bush, let him. I am with Bush and I agree with 99gsx. Something needs to give here.

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I'm gonna toss in some of my thoughts.

In all reality I don't think any of us can truely understand what these people are going through. For those who's house didn't wash away 90% will have to be torn down due to flood damage. EVERYTHING that supports the basic life system has to be rebuilt. Gas Stations, Jobs, Hotels, Roads, Cars are totaled, ect ect... Pets gone, Animals in Zoos washed away, months before water can get out and some have said a year beofre building coudl actually begin. Oil and other hazardous materials that will prove to me another huge impactng factor in long term stability.

Many feel this was it, this is where people that did have insurance will collect when time allows and leave the area for good. While others with no insurance will take the loss and never live the same again. It's going to cost everyone. It's hitting everyone. One of the new guys at work found out his son lost everything and his wife is still looking for some of her family. Brett Farve has family that also lost everything. So in reality this is the big one, one that people can't just be singled out as effetcing those the area. Many think it's only a matter of time till body count really starts to add up and possibly surpass even 9/11.

The HIstory of the area has been destroyed.

The one thing that just pisses me off is the looting. There are 2 types of people looting down there. The first is for survival. I am in FULL support of getting into sotres for clothing, shoes, water, canned goods, ect ect. Stuff to make life, or what's left of it, a little eaiser for them at this time till stability is put somewhat back into place. The second are these mothers fuckers looting casino groudns for money, taking guns from wal mart, going after items found near jewerly stores and other material items. These people need to be shot on site. They don't seserve to live and now it's gotten so bad that the government has almost stopped rescue efforts to put law back and stop looters. Complete waste of resources.

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It's good to see how well they respond to a large scale disaster that they knew was going to happen. It was only a matter of time before this happened to New Orleans and they watched the storm go right towards the city for a few days. What would happen if there was some sort of major terrorist event involving a small nuclear device or a dirty bomb that affects an entire metro area(not just a few blocks like in NYC)? Would they sit around for a month in bureaucracy try to figure out what to do, since most of their military resources are over in Iraq and most of the personnel in the affected area are already dead or injured already.

They will probably just rebuild and get hit again sometime, just like they do in Florida. The sad part is that hurricane activity historically goes in cycles and we are just barely into a cycle of increased and more violent hurricane activity that can last for decades.

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And I agree. Fuck the war. Bring our people home to help those in need on our own soil.

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I totally agree with Ecoli. Why did alot of people sit around for a week until the last minute? I know people hoped it would get smaller or turn around? Seriously though it was a huge storm heading right for them.

I agree though there isnt enough happening as far as support and troops but everyday hundreds of people die in the war in Iraq and thats just as important as a hurricane that killed lots of people that had plenty of warning.

I hope they dont rebuild because it is a huge waste and a huge risk that can happen over and over...

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Thanks Pimpin and thanks to Shane and DSMstyle for thier great comments. I watched again at lunch and i just don't have the words to even write a big paragraph. Some of these people only have a few days left in them if that. They showed dead bodies laying outside the dome, trash everywhere, violence. There is human feces inside and outside the dome everywhere. Kids are balling. An old lady was sitting there matting her face with a wet hanky. She looked maybe 75. Looked like she had a day or two left in her. Starving and thirst is one thing but can you imagine the psychological effects of this. This has become a disaster beyond belief. These people have nowhere to go. Unlike the WTC incident, you could go a few blocks from the WTC and business would be pretty much normal. This however is miles upon miles of area that is in total disaster. If anyone ever saw the movie with Kurt Russell, "Escape from New York", it reminds me of that. All of Manhattan became a prison. It was everyone for themselves. Once you get in, you don't get out.

I don't mind people for nagging on me for complaining about our President. But we can't be policing the entire world right now in a crisis like this. The Iraqi soldiers have to fend for themselves. Our intial mission was to get Sadaam out of power. Now that he's out of power we can't keep coming up with new missions just to stay in the country. We have alot of soldiers over there, probably over 200,000(i don't know). It sounds like the director of Homeland security is gonna call upon the U.S. military to help contain the situation down there. This scares me. Many of our troops in 2 locations, Iraq and Lousianna. What a great opportunity for another attack on our soil when we're tied up elsewhere. Us Americans can't handle this, the American economy surely can't handle this. I really think they're at a point where they just plain don't know what to do about this situation. I can't help but getting involved in it. It affects all of us in some way another.

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Speak for yourself. Some of us don't get nearly as bent out of shape about these things. You are getting wrapped up in the media drama. They make things look even worse than they are to get you to watch 24/7....just like you are. Yes, this is a huge disaster. They knew they lived below sea level, there was a huge ass hurricane coming, yet they stayed there.

It is horrible, but think about the number of people this is affecting compared to the US population. It is about .3% of the population, 80% of those left willingly, so we are at .06% of the US population that was there when the storm hit. Many of those got out after the storm hit. So the number of lives at stake aren't all that huge. Many of the people left were very poor or elderly. I will sound like an asshole for saying this, but the US economy won't miss them.

Now the real impact is what to do about all the business' that are under water and a million homeless people. Most of those people have family they will be able to stay with until they get back on their feet. The economy down there is definately going to take a blow. I am guessing New Orleans won't even be rebuilt. It was sinking before, and now that the ground it water logged, it will go even faster. Everything there is going to be shot. I say have the insurance companies rebuilt the city just up the river from where it was and start over.

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I agree in some terms with what Jet said about those that stayed. Frankly it's Darwin taking over. I know some coudln't, but those that said "I thought it would pass, or it didn't seem like it would be this bad" obviously didn't have a full understanding on why the rest of the CITY got out of town.

Also, and I may be a huge ass for saying this but why is the focus always on the elderly? When I think about saving people in need I think about children and your middle age'd adults with the streth and ability to continue to be a contribution and help out once they are safe. I think of saving those who will continue to be a part in building up the future for the children. Don't get me wrong, I'm not really saying they need to skip all the elders but I don't believe in passing others up to get to the elderly first. It's just a thought.

Clinton and Bush (the older one ;)) are now heading up the fundraising again as they did with help for the tsunami. Great move. Love'm or Hate'm they did their job last time. I am sure with all the chairty events coming up this weekend andin the next few weeks the US public sector will prove once again why they are the richest i the world, and not just in dollar amt terms. I work for a Billion Dollar company and we got word that they are setting up contribution funds and will nto only match but go beyond. No figure set yet from what we where told. There was also a telethon in MN last night I guess that already raise over 90k. It's just too bad 90k is just a very small % of the damage done and the help needed.

Personally if all I have to deal with is gas prices going up to continue to live a comfortable life then so be it. I can live with that, cause at least I get to live a normal life still.

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I so much hope that they are blowing the entire thing out of proportion. All i know is that you have several hundred thousand people homeless, jobless, unable to buy food if they even had a home. New Orleans is large poverty area. Many of these people don't have family throughout the U.S. they can even goto. If most these people were illegal aliens i would hardly give a rats ass but most of them are legal Americans that were devastated by a storm that they didn't ask for. I don't have to watch the media or hear news reports of whats going. I can't even imagine what they are going through nor do i want to. We goto work everyday, go to lunch, go home, eat supper, watch TV, kick back, sleep comfortably, etc... These Americans have absolutely nothing left to return to. Everything they had whether value or invaluable was taken from them, in some situations- family members. Just because it didn't happen in my state and thankfully to a friend or relative of mine, it still affects me because i'm a hearted American.

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Quote: (DSMSTYLE) "Personally if all I have to deal with is gas prices going up to continue to live a comfortable life then so be it. I can live with that, cause at least I get to live a normal life still."

Right on... I sat outside my house at lunch on this wonderful weathered day listening to the tv thru the window, cat walking all around me :) and i thought, "We have it pretty good right now."

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I agree that they didn't do much to deserve it. They lived in a city that is 10 feet UNDER sea level though. Who in their right mind would suck a lake dry with pumps and then try to live there?? Granted that isn't how it happened, but it ended up being the same thing. The place is sinking anyway, let it go.

They are now talking about moving back in within 1-2 months...morons.

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Watching CNN right now. Today as they are trying to get people out of one hospital to another with more supplies and equipment a group of people took some sniper fire. People are litterally pinned down in some areas. My God.

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I only have one thought. Why was nothing preventative done in the first place? We knew this was coming and Bush sat there and said Lets go to Iraq for oil instead of focussing on our homeland. I heard on AM1500 that the govt. knew it was coming and the planning for this disaster was pushed back many times, and was 10 years in the queue of shit to work on. I have family down there and it really pisses me off that we knew it would happen, but did nothing. The water pumps and piping down there have been changed or touched since the 1950s WTF is wrong with the government. Stupid ignorant fucks.

Sorry, I just needed to vent. My cousin lost his house and business, he has NOTHING except insurance, (whenever the hell the checks are going to be given out) family, and what little money he had in the bank (which by no means is enough to restart his or his family's lives).

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I agree with JET. Having some compassion is ok but the sky isnt falling.

If a bunch of 3rd world countries were able to handle the tsunami without falling apart I think we'll manage a hurricane.

Jebus.

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You know what pisses me off? Is that the PEOPLE down there knew it would happen and they expected the GOVERNMENT to bail their asses out!!

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Yeah, i just heard about that with the sniper shooting at relief workers. Fricking terrible! It's become a semi-war zone of its own. It's chaotic. One of the top U.S. cities in total ruins. I know i'd feel much different if it were myself or someone close to me, but if we didn't have natural disasters or accidents, this continent would be hugely over-populated and we wouldn't have the resources for everyone. I lost my mom when she was 49, you never get over it but you just learn to accept it. All you can hope is that they are in a better place than here.

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So you think that, in a time of need, the government should turn it's head on OUR OWN COUNTRY's PEOPLE?? I'm not saying the government should give $1,000,000 grants to everyone that lived there(though it could easily afford it). Simply, give them housing, maybe some food.. I'm sure people can fend for themselves, but if you were down there, wouldn't it be nice to know you had SOMEONE backing you and you weren't alone in this. Your comment really pisses me off, I think the goverment should take away all you have (ALL MONEY, ALL CARS, YOUR HOUSE if you have one and maybe even A FEW FAMILY MEMBERS) and throw you into N.O. where there's a warzone down there and say " Fend for yourself asshole " Cause, that's what you're saying the govt. should do to my cousin and his family. I have two words for you. INCONSIDERATE ASSHOLE.

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Thats me, being inconsiderate.

I wasnt saying that I disagree with the relief effort. Shit is fucked up down there and people need help.
I'm disagreeing with your comment that the Government, rather than the people, should have seen this coming and made arrangements before hand. I'm surprised that you or anyone thinks that because the city is basically a dry lake sitting between 2 bodies of water and a river, that the government should have "done something about it."
Heres an idea, move before the shit hits the fan.

Oh, but as far as the relief effort, I guess I am against rebuilding there. Thats just idiotic.

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And if this was your home, born and raised there, would you want to move because of some low-level hurricaines? They've been having hurricaines since the city was built and haven't seen one this powerful before. Hurricaines are nothing new, but the strength of this one was. My point is, hurricaines were just normal storms to them, they're use to it. They had a couple days of warning to get out of there, which most did. Now, they come back to find nothing left. They knew it was a category 4 hurricaine and cat 5 coming at them, but this has never happened before.

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The idea that you think this is possible give me an idea of your grasp on reality. The government is made up of taxpayers, so that would be an average cost of $3500 per taxpayer. Relief efforts will cost enough without fanciful amounts of money being thrown at people simply because they were in the disaster area.
If they were dumb enough to live below sea level and surrounded by water, I can only hope they were smart enough to buy flood insurance.
Bad things sometimes happen. Just because you dont entirely deserve it doesnt mean you wont get stuck paying the consequenses. Thats life.

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durp

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Sure, thats understandable. Buy flood insurance and ride it out hoping for the best. But at least know the consequenses of your actions. I just despise people who fuck up then look to others to make things all better.

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Just read that hundreds of Americans are opening their homes to the refugees of Lousianna. That's good to hear. I could see supporting someone in my home as i have a spare room.

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Man, that is pretty crazy. I heard from CNN or somewhere that New Orleans is 80% under water. What would happen if Bush never sent us to war? Would gas still be high? Would we have more or less money? The government is in a major hole...i think.

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Wow, CVD is right on here. The people knew they lived in a lake bed. If YOU decide to do that then YOU have to live with the consequences! It is like building a city on a volcano that that is only active every 50 years. You know the shit is coming. Interviews with people even said they knew something like this was going to happen. It isn't up to the government to make up for dumb people.

Yes it is too bad your family lost a lot down there. They knew the possibility of a hurricane though, yet they accepted the possibility.

Like you said while defending the people, this had never happened before. Why would the government spend billions of dollars to prevent something that hadn't happened and possibly wouldn't in the near future? It sounds like you are very biased because this affected you indirectly.

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Yes, i agree that they decided to live there just like i decided to live here and they accepted the consequences. Every days brings new consequences to each and every person. The ENTIRE U.S. at this moment is responsible for the rescue efforts and cleanup in Lousinanna, Mass. and Alabama, plain and simple! As for rebuilding there, i'm totally against it. It will just happen again and us taxpayers just can't afford it let alone this one. We are responsible because it's a state of the U.S. Just because something wiped out a good chunk of it doesn't mean were are a country of 48 or 49 states now. What if some catastrophe happened up here in the Midwest? What if we had no heating oil/gas and temps dipped down to -30+ below out this winter. Many of us would freeze to death. A scenario like that isn't all that unrealistic. I don't think it would be right for people in the south to point figures and say "I told you so, that you shouldn't live up there in the north." I'd sure want some relief from the people of the south. We can't treat our own citizens like they've become enemies just because of their geographical location.

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No, I am not saying we should abandon the rescue efforts. That needs to happen. I just think dsm10sec is flying off the handle saying it is the governments responsibility to keep everyone safe. Shit happens, sometimes it happens to you and you have to deal with it. Do your best to avoid it and it will happen less. Make poor decisions (where to live in this case) and it will happen more.

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Yes i'm onboard with you 100%, JET. By knowing that this could have happened, we could have been more proactive about it in the early 1900's. Hate to say it, but we're a more reactive nation than anything. It usually takes a disaster like this to wake up. We're awake for awhile and soon after we go back to sleep for the next episode. I don't know if that's just supposed to be that way or we're dumb OR just run by dumb people. We pour billions of taxpayer dollars through the government portal and much of that is used for a good cause but dammit alot is wasted. Government just plain and simple, pisses me off. Government needs to watch it. There are 295 million people in the U.S. and the number of government officials isn't even a spec of that. Piss off enough people and you have one hell of a chaotic moment.

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i'm a "government official" and I have little impact on what happens around the state.
But I make the officers able to research your plate number so you can get tickets :)


as for this whole mess.
It's pretty horrible. People shooting the rescuers who are risking their own lives anyway. Hospitals having to lock their doors because people are trying to break in and loot the place.

i do agree with cvd and jet. That it's kinda like me being pissed because my house got torn up by a tornado.
What happened, I do not have any other word that horrible.
But why would you stay when you KNOW 160+mph winds are coming your way and a storm so big that it could envelope an entire state.

my ass would be beating feat. A weeks notice is enough to get the 500,000 people out of town. Some choose to stay because "they could ride it out". Since when does anyone ride out a catagory 5 ANYTHING?


as for the relief efforts, WTF is wrong with FEMA?
why didn't they have items ready. CATAGORY 5 FEMA, NOT 4 like Andrew was.
fyi: andrews was a cat 4 and caused 27+ billion in damage.


as for them not rebuilding the city. Not a chance in a hell of them NOT rebuilding.
Do you know the trillions of dollars that would take to make a new city that big in any acceptable amount of time? It will be levved again and pumped out, this time to hand 5x the amount of water.

not saying another city won't sprout up and take the commerce away and a good part of the population. But there WILL be another New Orleans within 6 months.

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I live about an hour away from NO, and all I got to say is screw the city. I mean really....how many years will it take in order for the place to actually be safe to live in again? Not to mention all these fkn morons runnin around my hometown doin their gang crap! It's fricken retarded!!

Yeah anyways that's what I think.

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Some thoughts from somebody who just moved from there (Baton Rouge). http://dsmstyle.com/forums/images/smilies/cool.gif

Yes New Orleans sits in a low lying area, yes people were warned to get out, and yes many were stupid for staying, BUT

If we took the approach and attitude that "if there were any possiblility of a natural disaster happening they should move away", then what to do about California which "they say" will fall off into the ocean one day or has several major earthquakes a year, or all the people who live in the great planes who might get hit by a cat 5 tornado, or Hawaii which is nothing but a whole line of active volcanos, or MN which has snow storms that may turn into the BIG ONE and leave many people dead and frozen because of no power or heat, or Arizona which can hit 110 deg F in the shade, or any other place we hear about that has some type of vulnerablility to it, etc., etc.? Maybe we could all move to Cuba with Castro, might be the safest place on Earth. Hurricanes are nothing new to us, they happen along the Gulf coast every year to some varying degree. This one just really turned into a bad one.

The biggest problem is that most people are "numb" when it comes to weather reports, news reports, etc. because everything gets all out of proportion and blown up to sell commercials and air time. Cry wolf how many times before people stop listening? http://dsmstyle.com/forums/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

Let me give you some info from experience about New Orleans. It's a proud city with plenty of heritage and self worth. But many people there do not have cars and trucks, alot of the down town districts with communities don't rely on privately owned transportation, but use the mass transit systems (buses, trolly cars, bicycles, walking to work, etc.). Same as New York city if you need a comparison. So many people had no means to get out. Most of the areas that are requiring evacuation are poverty areas that couldn't get out. If you've ever visited Nawlins, you know what I'm talking about. There are only about 3 major highways leading out of New Orleans, so it can be very hard to get out at times.

As far as looting and shooting, looting for survival is exceptable (what would anybody do in that situation?), but shooting the people who are trying to help you is crazy. But before we condem anybody, think about the situation they are currently under. Put yourself in their place for a second.

Example;

You've lost loved ones, you've lost everything you own, you've had to leave your pets behind - dead or alive, you have no clothes, no food, no water, no sanitary conditions, think about the smells coming from everything around you, including death, seeing bodies getting discarded and piled up next to you because there's nothing else you can do with the dead, including your loved ones, all of the things we have everyday as a normal part of life are gone, you have no real way of knowing what's being done to help you (no electricity means no TV, no radio, no communication with the outside world, etc.), the water (and city) is now infested with poisonous snakes, alligators, some sightings of sharks that were blown in by the hurricane, gasoline rising out of under ground tanks along with many other chemicals, misquitos, and so on, etc. etc.. Now take into account that you're seeing and dealing with this for almost 5 days now. Wouldn't you loose some control too?

Evacuated or not, we all will feel some effect in one way or another. I'm thankful I was not there. Most of what we have all taken for granted about New Orleans is gone for ever. :(

-Mike

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wow, can the government really give 1 million dollars to everyone?

(get serious)

that will never happen, would you happen to know the economy is in a deficit? so obviously nothing would happen. plus how long does it take them to make a damn budget? government is slow on everything. Gotta respect most of them though, they do get elected by "our dumbasses"

-Colin

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Mike I like your viewpoint alot.

I think there should be alot more aid coming or already there though... its been what? 5 days since it happened and they are just getting there? Thats kinda bogus to me... I think the mayor only called for X amount of troops and that was obviously wrong because the govt sent a bunch more now.

What I dont understand is how some people are taking this and making it much bigger than it already is.

Take for example the Tsunami a few months ago.... NO warning, VERY poor conditions-worse than US anywhere, much larger area of devastation, etc. If they can get through it than I think New Orleans can get through it, its just that the bastards that are looting and causing trouble when theres no need are hurting the help. Its not because of food or water its because there is no law and people are raping others and taking whatever they want because they can (gangs).

Just take out the gangs and get on with the show.

Also if your going to """Ride it out""" why did you not prepare and gather food, water, constuct a shelter or reinforce something etc.... Thats what I dont get. I would have probably ridden it out too if I knew my house could take it- or a different building... I would have stocked up though, meds, food, water. If your going to take on the storm then do it with common sense?

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I don't think people are making it bigger than it is. It 'IS' big. New Orleans population is larger than Minneapolis. What if something took out Mpls? Is that not big enough to consider it a big event? I don't know, but to me, when a city that has a population over 450,000 that's pretty dam big. It's large enough of its own that even the media doesn't have to blow it out of proportion.

While watching CNN tonight, I was watching the banner below and I was proud of the other countries that vowed their support. Probably a list of 10 different countries. Among them, I was surprised to see China one of them, knowing that things are somewhat tense between the U.S. and China.

Yeah, you're right...it has taken way too long. It's been nearly 5 days now since the Hurricane started there. They do not really have a sense of plan to contain the situation. Those troops should have came in from the south the moment the Hurricane moved northward. It pisses me off that The President has no problem sending the military to another country, blow the shit out of it with missles, bombs, rockets, etc. but when it comes time to fix a situation in our own country, we don't know what to do. Hmmm.

65% of New Orleans are African Americans. A good portion of that number are victims of poverty. These people couldn't get out if they wanted to. Many didn't have vehicles to relocate themselves. This Hurricane hit Florida at a category 1 I think last Friday. Later Sunday it was upgraded to a category 5 when it was heading for the Gulf. That's not a whole lot of time to evacute more than a million people.

If government wants to do something, they can start with with making jobs for the victims of poverty and create better lifestyles for the low income. Our government allowed this to happen. We have over a 600 BILLION dollar trade deficit with China! How many hurricanes does it take to = 600B ? Yeah our American government is some of the hardest working people you'll ever find. Do favors for the people of other countries while some of our own people have to live like this.

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Yeah, we mobilized the Army, Marines, Navy, Air Force and Coast Guard in 5 days to head over to Iraq. You obviously haven't been in the military. The military is like a huge company, you have to go through the chain of command to get something done and there is a ton of paper work. Then you have to get all the details worked out, provisions for the troops, transportation, etc.

Remember, there wasn't a big problem right after the hurricane struck. It was when the levee's went that things got bad. If you were to bring in all the troops so they were ready when the storm left, where would they stay so they were safe?? We would have had more victims. FEMA is the one that really dropped the ball. This is their reason for existance and they didn't do shit. They are supposed to organize this and have done a poor job. The military branches are acting more on their own.

When someone said the mayor didn't requisition enough NG troops, that is the governor of the state that calls up NG troops.

I do agree that the government pisses away WAY too much money on other coutries. Piss on them until we get out of the red. It is just like I do. If I have some extra money I will toss some towards a charity. If I am broke, F U, it's mine!