afc and tuning
 

Who is the best place for your money to get you car tuned? Chris gave me Shindleys email but he never responded, is there a phone # I can reach him at? Also where is the best place to buy electronics like an afc, ebay, or is there a local place I can get one?

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acf? or you mean afc? Yeah you can get them off ebay. I've sold a couple of them on there for $150 ea. not too long ago. If you decide to get one off ebay, do a search on s-afc If you do it on acf you won't find didly.

Good luck.

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Just go to Elite and pay to have Shane tune it on the dyno.

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Yeah, that is the best choice, but then they'll also have to pay to have the VC swapped and that combined with tuning can get pretty pricey. Schindley won't give you the best tune for power, but at least the car will be plenty driveable and decent. If you feel confident about swapping in a welded VC yourself by all means have the car dynotuned instead. I'd offer to do it on the street for you since you live so close to me, but dumbass me went and put the batteries in my Palm backwards and corupted my Pocketlogger software. After reinstalling it, I realized I no longer have the registration codes for it since I sold the logger and cable.

Anyways, here is Schindley's number: (763) 263-2713

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Why even bother getting the VC swapped? Just go to the AWD dyno @ RS Motors.

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Good idea! They are so great at tuning DSMs.

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::EDIT:: happy? Chill out. And further more, would you prefer someone like shane tuning ( proven himself to be a swell tuner) or some person not NEARLY familiar with the cars?

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I'd have to agree, RS Motors hasn't proven that they can tune DSMs yet.
Please tell everyone why that is not a real AWD dyno.

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im pretty sure 1 set that rolls just ROLLS, doesnt measure anything. I wouldn't feel right dynoing my car there, so I couldn't prove anything. My friend said that the one set rolls free just making it easier to throw on an AWD.

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also, from people I know dynoing there.. They claim they put down 15-20 more HP on other dynos. There are more variables, but i guess the way ron has it calibrated isnt accurate for weight. Again, this is what I was told by people that own hondas. Ive never been in there myself beyond the front door. Wasnt very comfortable talking to someone about why hondas are so great? lol, i left.

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Yeah, go to elite. I had them tune my car twice and each time it ran perfect.

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You are an idiot. For AWD cars they slide a coupling that connects the front and rear rollers by means of a big belt. The front set of rollers has to be locked at some ponit for FWD/RWD cars otherwise they'd never be able to make it over them to get onto the main rollers.
The Mustang dyno is loaded by some sort of clutch or electromagnet to prevent the rollers from moving. It's a constant load, unlike a Dynojet dyno which is basically just a huge flywheel, the only load put on the car is the drum's own mass and inertia. Which would you rather use? I'm not saying one is better or worse than the other, it's basically apples and oranges. Ron "calibrates" the dyno for each car, all he asks for is the estimated weight of the car, enters it into the computer and it sets the appropriate load.

You've been told once before and I'm telling you again, please educate yourself before spewing worthless shit.

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As with ANY shop, I won't let them touch jack. I do my own tuning, which is probably why I don't care how crappy they are at tuning or what they specialize in.

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So how fast is your car really?

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Thank you Matt.

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It isnt quite accurate was the ENTIRE message I was trying to send. When someone makes within 5 hp with similar conditions at 3 different dynos, then goes there and makes 15 or so less, something is wrong. And he sure as hell didnt ask them for weight, he asked year make model and used the weight from whatever source he used.

Ill im saying is the majority of people on this site go to elite for the same common reason, the tuner and its "accuracy".

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It is a widely know fact that Mustang dynos read lower than Dynojets; does that make the Mustang dyno inaccurate or is it your ricer benchracing self that just assumes that since it won't make you look quite as manly? For God's sake, Matt already spelled it out for you, would a picture help?

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No dyno is any more or less accurate than another, they all have their errors. Each dyno can be adjusted in different ways that can all effect the outcome. This isn't an exact science, it's merely a ballpark figure that we're looking at. It's a known fact that Dynojets, Mustangs and Dynapacks all display different readings.

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Thanks Matt and Chris....

How much roughly would you say a dyno tune at elite usually costs for an awd?

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Good question! I was just about to ask that...:D ! I'm planning on having my car tuned by them in the near future also...

Just gonna interrupt this thread really quick. When installing an AFC...do you need to solder anything together? Found two sites on installing an AFC: ONE from Vfaq and ONE from Plymouthlaser.com. PM me....

Back to Main Topic...:D

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VC swap(AWD guys) - $150
Tuning - $140/hr, time would depend on your setup...

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When installing the AFC, you don't need to solder the wires. I always used aligator clamps or whatever they're called and had no problems. I've also installed AFC's in others' cars with the clamps and not one has every given trouble.

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You can use the little crimps that come with the AFC. Just don't use those plastic quick connect/vampire T's that just tap into the wire. They are just a problem waiting to happen and I have to fix them on cars all the time. They are fine something trivial like the light bulb on your boost gauge, but I would want a good solid connection for something as important as your fueling. I usually solder the wires when doing an AFC.

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Well the considering a certain amount of voltage or signal could be lost by a bad crimp or other horsecock connection, I would ALWAYS solder those wires. Especially since it is something as important as an AFC.

Now I know people have done it with those shitty crimp style connectors, and it works, but you never know. And why not spend an extra two minutes and solder it.

I work in mobile electronics, going on my fourth year, and I have seen countless malfunctions from poor connections, always crimp style. With solder all you have to worry about is getting a cold joint, and that can be easy to find if you have touched a soldering iron before.

And on the real topic, if you are very confident in your tuning abilities you may just want to save money and go to RS motors. Otherwise just have Shane do it, he won't blow up your motor and can offer a lot of great advice and help.

And about the dyno thing, I put down 313hp at RS motors, and maybe a month later with no changes to the setup I put down 321hp at Elite. Sure sounds like thsoe corrections are right on to me. And yes Ron always asks for the weight of the car before dynoing, but that mainly will effect where the turbo will spool due to load. But it can also effect total hp.

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So it's $150 just for the swap itself and another $140/hr for the tuning? WOW.....

Aww man! My car is getting $$$$$$$$$$$$$.....Anyone wanna plan a bank heist? Hehe...j/k!!!

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You can do the swap yourself and save the $150!

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Yeah I know. Only problem is....I have no idea how to do it or even know where it goes...haha. Tried to look for pics of it installed and couldnt find any. Is it a permanent mod or Temporary?

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Temporary.

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Temporary... Just so you can dyno the car in FWD mode.

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Would I be able to drive it like that for like 15-20 Mins to Elite and then back after the dyno and all?

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Yes.

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Just make sure you don't drive it with a welded VC in AWD, I've never done it, but im sure it isn't good

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A lot of people do, helps you get better traction on the lauch. Its not exactly good for the car though.

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I've been driving with one in my AWD for the last couple years with no problems.

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Yeah its not bad when you have power steering either.;)

CRAIG

And as far as the AFC goes. When I installed mine I soldered all the wires and then insulated them. I had some quick connect but I don't really trust them. Like Shane said on something trivial I would use them but not with a tuning device. It took a little more time but I think its worth it and it will never fail due to a lose connection.

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Sounds like I'll be soldering them together. We'll see how well this works, I've never been the best at soldering small things together. Always ends up in one big clump, haha. I guess I could use heat shrink also, just incase anything breaks apart.

(edit)Is there an adapter that I have to buy for my S-AFC I? This one was off of an early '90's 240sx and I was just making sure I have everything I need before I install it?

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You could always use a weatherpack connecter(s) or a Deutsch connector(s) instead of the alligator connectors or whatever you want to call them.

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I use butt connectors on the majority of wiring that doesnt take alot of load. Its pretty hard for a butt connector to loosen unless there is some serious tugging on each end of the cables.