50 trim in - lot's of smoke from exhaust
 

i know this is probably an easy answer but i just got my car back from rick shindley - brand new from elite. Last night i picked it up and i didn't notice it at first but when my friend was behind me i saw alot of smoke coming from the exhaust everytime i shifted. When i came to a stop i revved the engine and alot of smoke came out. i know the 50 trim burns alot more oil and i have a test pipe so would that contribute to the smoke? should i just get used to it letting that much smoke go out of the car? i checked the oil pressure, level and fro leaks and didn't see any. all help on this is greatly aprreciated.

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i got the turbo from elite, brand new, in case anyone was confused, sorry.

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Your car should not smoke and a 50trim will not burn any more oil, turbos if they are in good condition dont burn oil.

You have any fuel managment? Could be running rich, or your valve seals are leaking or your rings are toast?? Do a compression test first.

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You check if the oil return line is too small or crimped?

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Is the smoke under hard acceleration or after the cars been idling for a long period of time? What other changes were made to the car?

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Are you absolutely sure it's coming out from the tail pipe itself or possibly did some oil get spilled onto the exhaust pipe itself and is just burning itself off. I find it hard to believe a brand new turbo would leak right out of the box. But no, as also said above, no turbo no matter the size will burn(consume) oil. If it did we would be adding gas and oil at the pumps.

Find a difinitive answer on where the oil might be coming from. Get underneath it. Hopefully it was just a spill.

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When my turbo was going it made lots of smoke when I shifted and at idle, not so much while cruising. I second checking the oil drain line, is it a modified dsm drain tube or custom built? If it is custom where did you get it or if you made it does it dip down below the point of entry on the oil pan? What color is the smoke?

Jim

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ok, i bought my oil drain pipe from buschur racing, the one where u have to modify your stock drain pipe and then use a rubber hose and the modified end for the 50 trim. When i put my first 50 trim in and it was blown so alot of oil got into the exhaust, but the thing is i drove an hour on highway, i was going fast the whole way home to, i'm not saying i was boosting the whole way home either, but everytime i shifted smoke came out, and i know for a fact it can't be the turbo. i don't see any leaks, do u think it's just the exhaust burning off the oil in it, i don't think it's possible because i drove the car alot last night. also, i have a brand new SS exhaust to, so i don't know if it's just the paint or whatever inside the exhaust getting burned out. i smelled oil, that's why i'm scared it might be something bad happening. i just don't know.

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i would love it if i could meet someone tonight to help me with this, i have no idea how to run a compression test or how to check for cracked seals or bad rings. i can meet you somewhere or whatever, i live in minnetonka, gimme ur phone number or reply to this if you can help me out tonight. i could really use it, it may be nothing, it may be something. any help for this would be awesome and greatly aprreciated. thanks brian - gimme a call if you can help - 612-730-5165

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the smoke color is a darkish blue color at night, and during the day, hard to tell, i really couldn't tell if it was a black smoke, i'll check on that when i get home.

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along with this smoke problem, i was wondering about my Greddy Type S BOV, on my stock turbo it used to make a loud, high pitched noise, now with the 50 trim it's barely there and i was hoping i could adjust it to get that noise back, why isn't it loud anymore. thanks for the help

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Blue Exhaust Smoke can be cause with an obstruction in the ex manifold, by an obstucted oil drain line, worn rings (blowby), valve gone bad, or damaged turbo.

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bov's aren't that noticable with biger turbos since it needs to spool to go off. I couldn't hear my blitz bov anymore after I put the 20g on my od car. I could probably do a compression test for you later tonight. Give me a call tonight after 8pm. My cell is 952-412-6087. I am guessing it is nothing motor related.
James

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Are we talking huge amounts of smoke or just little puffs when you shift? Maybe you're just running ungodly rich.

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Was the turbo off? Did oil get spilled down into the down pipe by chance? All that shit is right there in that same area.

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Is the BOV vented or routed back into the intake? If it is vented it will puff smoke between shifts because you are running rich.

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right now i think that the smoke is getting less and less, i've been driving it around and it's not noticeable right now, all i really care about right now is the head, and the knocking/ticking noise. read the other thread about this if you can help me, ghettostyle i'll probably calling you later for that test, maybe you can take a look/drive with me and tell me what you think is going on with it. as for the smoke, i'll keep a look on it, the car is not leaking oil. all i'm really freaked out about right now is the lifters or the noise in the head. thanks for the help.

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Blowoff valves are there for a reason, and making noise isn't one of them.

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I'm pretty sure its probably lifter tick. call me tonight, we can meet and i will tell you if it is.
James

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You've just shattered every ricer's dreams!

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how does the car run? misfires or other roughness?

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i figured out it's rods, i was drivngs to shindley's yesterday afternoon to take a look and it definately wasn't the lifters, car over heated, died on me up there on 494, radiator fluid came out of the resovoir, we thought it was the head gasket, but he turned the car on when he got it towed to his house and he's 99% sure engine needs rebuilding. so that's where i am with my car. the knocking i heard wasn't lifters, it was the rods. so now i'm looking into rebuilding the fucking thing. i dunno what to do anymore with this car. alot of money for rebuilding or getting a new engine.

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Maybe it was detonating when you got on it hard without tuning it and it spun a rod bearing.

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Sorry to hear about your motor man!

It's tough sometimes to have to live and learn.....:-<

I almost threw a 50 trim on my 2G Tsi a while back myself, but some the guys on the board here were kind enough to talk me out of it, cause I didn't have the correct supporting mods, and I'd wreck my car.

I'm glad I listened to them.

If I were you I'd talk to Mike now about a 2.4 and start saving my cash up for a nice upgrade!

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don't bother rebuilding the 7 bolt. Either get a race motor or a used 6 bolt block.

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Dont get a 2.4l. He is FWD, he already has traction problems. Whatever you do, go with a 6 bolt. Not much you could have done after the bearing already started spinning. Who tuned the car? Shindley???

As far as the BOV goes, my 50 trim didn't make much of a noise either. The turbo spool was louder. I couldn't even hear my blitz bov.

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Well right now i'm thinking of just building up my 7 bolt, i talked with shindley alot about it and if i build up my engine with high performance parts for the turbo my car will be fine, i know the reason why everyone gets a 6-bolt, cuz of the crankwalk issue. Any other reason's why i would love to hear them. Shindley is going to get my 7 bolt bored out .20, replace the rods and pistons, build it back up so that i can easily withstand the 18 pounds of boost that i'm going to run. Most likely do alittle head work, hoag out a couple of things, get the 1g intake manifold in.

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A stock 7-bolt will handle well over 18psi and 150-200whp more than you were probably making. Your motor didn't break because it was making too much power, something went wrong with it because of tuning or install or just bad luck. The reason to not build a 2G 7-bolt is because of the crankwalk, and that is a major problem which shouldn't be ignored. Putting aftermarket rod and pistons in it will not fix the crankwalk problem.

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I agree with Shane, it is best to buy a decent 6-bolt block and have that rebuilt. I have a buddy here in Duluth that is willing to sell one of his two 6-bolt engines. PM me if you're interested.

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what happens if i build up my 7bolt and it crankwalk's? what do i have to fix?

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shindley looked alot at everything, we talked about the 6 bolt and 7 bolt, he said right now i don't need to worry about the crankwalk, he has looking at the engine the past 2 days and i should go with building up my 7 bolt.

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and shidley is also trying to save me money, because u can't just drop in a 6 bolt into a 2g can you? you have to modify a couple things and that costs money, i'll probably be saving myself a couple grand just rebuilding the 7 bolt and leaving it at that, basically all i want is an engine that is basically brand new, rebuilding it will do that, i buy performance internals and the car will be able to handle the 50 trim for a longtime, correct?

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When it crankwalks, you will need to get a different block and crank and start over.

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You have to grind the drivers side motor mount, 6 bolt flywheel, cut off the dampner on the tranny and wire in a 90-94 CAS... Motor swap done.

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If you waste money building the 7 bolt and it crankwalks, you only have yourself to blame. It will cost you more in the long run and the chance it will walk is pretty significant. I have several extra six bolt short blocks laying around as does a bunch of people on the site. Doing the conversion is pretty simplistic, it gets done at least once a month around here. There is soo much ink on this already, I won't waste any more. Do it right now or be sorry later.

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Advice has been given; your money, your call.

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Do what you want with the car and don't let Shindley make yoru mind up. Your getting some free advice here from people who have the skills and abilities to know what they are doing and can back up what they say. At the end it's your call but seriously think about what the hell your doing. But if you only want to take one guy's opinion of the situation, I honestly don't even know why you need an account here.

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Not only crankwalk, But I can't count the number of 7-bolt motors that have spun rod bearings. Almost usually #3. Plus the inherent weakness that is associated with the smaller rods, etc. I would second either a 6-bolt, 2.4L or buy a decent used 7-bolt and take it easy until you save up.

Wiz

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He is building the engine...

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If you really damaged a rod or spun a rod bearing, then there is a good chance that your crank or block are beyond repairable. How is Shindley saving you money by rebuilding a motor that will very possibly crankwalk or fail again soon, then you will just have to do it all over again. You have to look beyond his advice, he might sound like he is the end all for DSM tech with the way he presents himself and talks, but he is actually wrong on a lot of the things he believes and a few years behind what a lot of the people on here are doing.