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I have the oppertunity to get a Pacesetter Manifold, off of my buddy at work. It's tubular, and all it needs is a fresh coat of paint, or ceramic coating to it. Should I pick it up for 100 bucks or so? He said he'd prolly go even less. The current header is a 2g manifold ( I believe). He says the tubular manifold gave him more top end, and the turbo spooled up a little quicker. Also, where can I take either Manifolds to get an EGT tap welded on?

-A. Swift

P.S.- I tried using the search, but no results where found, containing tubular, mani, or tubular mani..

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Aren't those like 120 new through summit? and they are POS from what I've heard/read.

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It will fall apart. Seen it first hand.

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Run Away!

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ok ok ok. No tubular manifold. So, how do I get an egt fitting on the manifold? Take it to a shop with a drill press, and a welder? That may be the easy part, but what shop? How do I line up the hole to the heat shield?

-A. Swift

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A tubular Manifold isn't a bad thing. A Pacesetter Manifold is a bad thing.

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Use a drill tap and a power drill for the egt gauge. No need to weld it unless you screw up tapping it. Remember, your O2 sensor just threads in. ;)

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Ahhh, but the bunge that comes with the gauge is what the thermal probe screws into, and the bunge itself doesn't have threads to go into the manifold. The thing's gotta be welded in. Silly randy..btw, how's the car commin' along? When am I gettin that first ride bro?

-A. Swift

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Oh, and what about the o2 sensor?

-A. Swift

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Those are very cheaply built, I dont think the people at pacesetter know how to weld very well. They are the cheapest ones you can buy.

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[QUOTE=Swifty1638]Oh, and what about the o2 sensor?

-A. Swift


Leave the 02 in its place. Than take your car across the street ( KIA), so I can put in the probe. Tell Weber sorry but your not interested in the header. The 2g manifold on the car now,is it ported?

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Not to mention they use thin gauge steel, and honestly....unless it is equal-length....it's not worth the money anyway. Tubular manifolds do flow a little better usually but come at the cost of reliability. Most 'headers' will crack over time, warp very easily, dissipate too rapidly which is why most of them are coated or wrapped to be worth a damn. Most DSM tubular manifolds also run around $400 and up. So there is a reason why it is so cheap.

Buschur's Conquest runs 8.7x with a 2g manifold, btw.

No for a 1g 2.0L NT, the pacesetter header has usually been a good buy considering there never was a better manifold made from the factory and they are all cracked. And for $100 or less, if it lasts a couple years....you got your money's worth.

Wiz

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hey kor! u guys got a welder? i think i will definatly take u up on that offer...got any ideas on how i can hook up this fuel psi gauge? I was gonna hook it up to the rail, but I think that the threading thing won't fit..I am not sure..

-A. Swift

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Ya we have a welder, Do you need a place for the sender, for the fuel presser gauge? We could take your banjo bolt on top of your fuel filter, drill and tap it for the sensor.

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Yea, I am thinking I need that too, cause I won't be able to find a place for the fuel psi gauge to tap off of. Also, how hard is it to weld a bunge into a cast iron manifold? I am assuming you will want me to take the mani off, so when you drill it out, the shavings are removed...

-A. Swift

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There should be an adapter in the EGT package that screws into the manifold. There shouldn't be any welding involved. Also, to drill the hole just take out all the turbo bolts, then put some flat metal over the turbo inlet, and start the car. Then drill out your hole and you are set, you don't need to take off the manifold.

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really now? I guess I gotta wait till I get my egt gauge then. I gotta try and figure out the fuel psi thingy too. Korey, I am bringin' the gauge to work tomorrow, so feel free to drop by next door when you get a break over there..I know how busy you guys get..about as much as us! lol I work 7-3..

-A. Swift

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I have read people doing it that way. I would never weld bunge on the manifold.

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ok. If I get this gauge hopefully this week, are you able to take care of it this weekend? I have off, so it would be helpful..of course, The gauge must arrive first.

-A. Swift

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guys guys guys check this out. you know that dnp tubular manifold thats like 500$ well have i got a treat for you. they are currently way over stock and really dont need so much so they put some on the good ol' EBAY

so screw pacesetter
just be sure to leave me one. i dont have the money yet
here it is check it out
http://search.ebay.com/eclipse-t28_W0QQfkrZ1QQfromZR8

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for an extra fifty bucks you can get a dump tube too.

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You had better pay attention to auctions. Those aren't from DNP, they are from SSautochrome. They are nearly as bad as the pacesetter's. They are absolute junk.

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Nearly? I think you mean't much worse than Pacesetter.

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Ask Chris Carey what he thinks of those hahaha, nothing like your turbo only being supported by a band clamp or having your Tial fall off and hit the ground.

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are you serious. its hard to spot a fake. how do you know.

but id still get the dump tube though.

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and i compared the dnp's to the ssautochrome ones. look pretty close to me.

and i dont have to worry about a wastegate falling off. iv got the t(hair dryer)25

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Okay, the turbo will fall off instead. The SS autochrome one has dropped both. I have fixed the DNP ones as well, but only for cracks, not major failure.

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Both DNP and SS and Pacesetter are all big piles of shit.

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gocha piles of ...um... poo.

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not to steal the thread or anything(you might benefit from this too)but there was a different manifold that i was wanting to look at but i couldnt find who makes it. i wanted to know more about it. it does look like the turbo flange is to big for a t25 though so...darn i guess ill have to upgrade my turbo soon. heeheehee.
let me know what you think
hers the link. its on dsmtuners.

http://www.dsmtuners.com/parts/produ...roducts_id=371

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#1, please use a better way to structure your questions and actual grade level of posting. ESPECIALLY in all tech areas. Like I had said in the PM.

#2, as long as you have a T25 you don't need to worry anything about a different manifold. Adding to that is the fact that the stock 2G manifold can do wonders with a little porting as well. Outlandish manifolds aren't for everyone, and the money could and should be spent elsewhere.

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ok..im sorry again but i stil want to know what you think of that one

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Why not go with a proven brand if you are so set on a tubular manifold? Try Full Race or Alien Auto. There's a couple others but I can't think of them off hand.

By the way, nice job of fixing your grammar and punction after explicitly being asked to by the site Owner.

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Since when are Alien Auto and Full Race proven manifolds? Did I miss something? For durability the SFP is probably the best on the market right now. Still nothing like a cast one though. Why even "upgrade" though? The stock manifold has pushed over 600 whp. If you want to upgrade, go with a larger cast manifold.

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I am highly going to dissagree on the SFP one at the moment, I fixed a few in a row for the same guy, including the ones they sent him for replacement, the welding was pretty sad. There were other issues with the fabrication, but I would be hard pressed to believe that was the best on the market for durability.

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I apologize, let me rephrase. They are the only tubular manifolds in which I have never heard of having cracking issues. Talk to Colin Receveur (turbo2Liter) on NABR and Toonerz, I am 99% sure he running a Full Race manifold with his T4 (I think that's what it is at least). I believe a few guys have had their DNP Manifolds Jet Hot coated fresh from the factory and have a seen a virtual elimination in cracking issues (as long as it was acceptably made from the factory of course). However, I can't provide a link to any testimonials about that because I can't even remember where the hell I read that back when. I could also be completely off base but just trying to provide some input.

Also, even though I don't have personal experience of course, I have read of a number of people having cracking issues with the SFP manifold.

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I agree the SFP isn't that great either Mike. Some have lasted decently, but I am sure their quality has gone down hill. They are mild steel too, so it is only a matter of time before they fatigue.

I plan on having something on the market this fall/winter, but I need a stress relief oven first. I am going to make mine right, I haven't seen one on the market yet that does it correctly (for a DSM).

Much better Jakey, I just don't want to see people misled by vague statements. There are some people on here that don't know any better.

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haha. suck up.

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Unfortunately, yes.

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dude its just a typo ok. im sorry. it wont happen again.