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Does anyone know a good site that has instructions on how to Install a FMIC, I have one coming and i really dont want to screw it up. It looks pretty easy but i know you have to do some cutting to the bumper and such. I checked vfaq and thats a big nothing.
Thanks in advance.
Tom

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No Freaking wood screws.

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I promise, no woodscrews. But thank you for pointing that out and being no help. Go put another hole in the blue beast mike. LOL any good answers?

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Doing a CLEAN front mount install is not that easy (regardless of what you may think), I seriously recommend you find someone to help you that doesn't need to ask how on an online forum and if it costs you a few bucks, it will be money well spent. If you insist on doing it yourself, take your time and don't ghetto it with things like zip ties and wood screws or duct tape. There is going to be no one simple answer to your question either, depends on the intercooler you bought, how the pipes are routed and what you have to work with.

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What did you order for a front mount Tom? I do not want to get into an argument, but I truly hope that you do some serious thinking about installing the kit yourself.

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If you can put together a LEGO kit, you can install an intercooler. Common sense, my friend.

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Tom basically you are going to want to start with removing your stock IC pipes, if you don't have clamps for your couplers then I would save some of them that are in decent shape. My recommendation would be to get new ones that are stronger and that you have to tightened with a rachet or nut driver, I think they are the T-bolt style ones. Once you have all your stock IC piping off then remove your intake and MAF, depending on what piping your going to run this might be in the way. Then I remove the battery for extra room and so you don't hit it and short anything out.

Now that you have a decent amount of room in the engine compartment you can now start the removal of the front bumper. If it has never been off before it can be a little bit of a pain but just keep at it and it will come. There are a lot of screws to remove. Once you get the bumper cover off then remove all the plastic fill in pieces that are by your radiator and such (anything that might get in the way.

This is all the stuff you can do to prep the car for the install. Now you will need to say what piping you are going to run and what route its going to take. Also the size and dimensions of the intercooler will be needed. And what size piping you are going to use.

Yes its not that hard to do, but to get centered and level takes some patience and some adjustments. Also you might need to modify your bumper as well to make it fit depending on the size of the FMIC.

So Tom give some more info on what you are putting in because its too hard to assist you without knowing.

Hope this helps.

CRAIG

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I think it takes more than common sense if you want to do it right.

CRAIG

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Finally a great answer, Thank you craig. I didnt need a smart ass answer like mike so arrogantly put. it was a simple question, and needed some good advice, thanks again craig.
The Front mount was one off of ebay (i know i know, hear me out though) The reason i would consider buying this off of ebay is for the simple fact that all the feedback about the previous sales of this particular one has been great, and it is from a local shop so if the tanks blow or a leak or i dont like it i can just drive 20 min and make them fix it and such. Im getting the IC piping from another local shop that has a good rep for doing great work with welds and mandral bending.
Im not worried about the install because im going to dedicate a whole weekend if need be to do this. im just going to keep at it. Ive learned with these cars if something is in the way and can be removed to help it should be removed and put back if need be. I will post pics after its done and see what you all think of my work.

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heres the link to it BTW. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...category=33742

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Well I assume you are going to run 2.5" IC piping (recommended) and by the FMIC design you will be able to use a shorter piping route instead of going up by the fender well like the Greddy ones.

If you are going to have a shop fabricate the IC pipes for you I would suggest having the car there so they can mock them up for you. Otherwise if they just do it by the seat of their pants you will need to modifty them yourself or keep bringing them back. I know when I did my APEXI Skyling FMIC on my 2G it was super easy because Nash had already had it on another 2G and the pipes were made by Isaac at Elite special for that application. So it was a perfect fit the first time. This is why its nice for whomever is making the pipes to have the car there. Especially if you do not have the tools or equiptment to modify the pipes to fit properly.

I didn't read the auction to see if they supply brackets to mount the FMIC but if they don't you might want to search around and see what other people have used for that style of FMIC or if need be you could have a shop make you some.

There was a thread on a site I frequent about them "ebay FMICs" and there wasn't (atleast when I read it) any bad things that were said about them. Overall quality was good but there was no dyno testing to see if they actually perform really good. But I can say one thing for sure, they will out perform a stock IC by a long shot and for the price you can't really beat them. I wouldn't use them for any "extreme" applications but the FP 28 you have it will be just fine I am sure.

CRAIG

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Actually I haven't heard many bad things about cheap ebay cores. Not like you are arunning a huge turbo or anything either.

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Yeah, when i decided to purchase it i was told that Nabr had a thread on that and they said the same thing. that its cheap but it was still better then the stock ones and this looks good and from what ive researched it performs pretty good. So we will have to see.
yes im planning on going 2.5 then using silicone adapters from RRE to adapt from the 2.5 to the 3 in outlets.

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since we're on the subject, how difficult is it to get piping for the cores?
I looked around and I could find much (hence why i haven't bought an IC yet)

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Tom, I must say, nice choice in IC's. Unlike some ebay IC's, that one actually has the internal turbulators to mix/swirl the air around so it makes contact with the cooling surfaces. Looks like a good deal. You may have an issue with your turbo outlet, if it's like a stock 2G. That also depends on the pipe kit.

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Doesn't look like THAT bad of a fmic. The cooling tubes are actually larger than the fins, which is kinda cool, means more flow, I wish they'd run a staggered fin design for the cooling aspect, but for the price, you can't beat it.

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I went to Neu Art today, a local shop that did a 1500HP drag civic thats sitting in their garage. They will be doing my piping and Install, I would have liked to do the install myself but being that its custom piping they are already doing the mock up so might as well do the install. The piping and install together is going to be $550.
So altogether its around $750 so im really excited to get this done.
What do you mean i might have a problem with the outlet? this is something that i will wanna tell the tech that will be installing it. If you mean the size of the outlet i will be getting some silicone adapters.

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the stock turbo outlet faces the passengerside. For this type of I/C you should have the elbow cut off and rewelded so that it faces the driverside. that way the pipe can just run straight into the driverside section of the I/C and then the passengerside can go straight to the Intake.

I think I have pictures of my I/C piping in my gallery over on Xrated or even possibly on here. If you wanted to see what I was talking about.

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Brian is talking about having a J-pipe made. I am sure the tech knows this if he knows anything about DSM's though.

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I think we have a core just like that one in the shop right now. The turbulators are a bit weak on the inside, so cooling might not be the very best and it is only 3" thick, but the 12" tall more than makes up for that. 3" x 12" is enough flow area for around 850hp, so it should be halfway decent for 400-500hp even with the lackluster turbulators inside.

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Or just cut the elbow off so its left pointing straight down, then run the piping straight up. Thats all I did with mine... not to say its the proper way, but it makes the most sence to me.

also thats from RRE on hooking up a fmic. probably not the same as what your looking to do, but you can at least picture it and get an idea whats going on better.

http://roadraceengineering.com/instr...nstallpics.htm

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I watched/helped my roomate with his adfx 2g short route intercooler kit. He did a really clean job and it looks really good. He had to modify his radiator support to let the short route piping through and he did a lot of sanding of the bumper cover the pipes fit into the bumper cover flawlessly. Hes 9guy9 on here if you want to see it pm him.

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whats the difference between the short route and the long route, i figured that the long route would be prolly the same route the stock ic piping, but where does the short route go?

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Mine goes from the turbo towards the drivers side and does a 180 into the intercooler, then from the intercooler it go between the radiator and headlight 1G style right up to the throttle body. Greddy's FMIC kits are an example of long route piping, it all runs to the stock intercooler location, the cold side of the piping actually runs infront of their intercooler along the very top.

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Tom, I put some pic's up in the member offered services area of a 2g with Ebay core that I did the IC piping on. Check it out. I can send them to you full size too if you want. That should give you a good idea of what the piping should look like. You just won't have the MAFT in there like him.

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From the t28 that has to be a pretty quick 180 there right being that it has that angle towards the passenger side and will have a pipe coming from the drivers to connect to the outlet of the turbo?

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Yours should end up just like the one in my thread except that the pipe coming off the turbo will have roughly a 180* turn instead of a 90* turn like the bigger turbo pictured. They call it a J pipe because it looks like a J on its side with the long side down. I did a J pipe on the one 2g install I did, but I didn't take any pic's of it.

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T25/T28s are not like 14B/16G, you don't use a J-pipe. T25/T28s have a 90 degree bend built into them right as they leave the diffuser. You could cut it off, and have it rewelded on turned 180 degrees in the opposite direction. Then it would be all ready to send the air to the drivers side.

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I forgot about that, my bad. Shane is right, just have it cut off and rewelded on.

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Of course the proper preps should be taken i would think (i.e plug the hole first before cutting because of metal shavings)
Does the turbo have to be off the car for this? or could it remain on the car?

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I had mine off to get it done. You could maybe get by with cutting it off on the car but rewelding the extension pointing down would be really hard with it on the car. Raptor welded a 4 to 5 inch extension on it for me that turned out pretty good.

CRAIG

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On my T-28 I simply cut off the bend and just left it off. I didn't see a purpose to have it welded back on. Just run the new piping accordingly.

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But on some the pipe won't be long enough to get a coupler on it after you cut if off. I was worried about mine coming off so I just had Mike weld a aluminum extension on it and it turned out good.

CRAIG

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exactly how Shane described the Short Route that's how I was trying to descibe it. I wasn't talking about a J pipe. Cause isn't that what you use for 14B's and such? I swear Tom has a 50 trim on his car now or at least I thought I heard that.

Anyways. I Shanes way is the way to run the I/C piping for that intercooler.

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I wish i had a 50 trim. Nah its just a T28.