Just wondering if this is a common problem with Tial Gaskets?

Today makes 1 week of use on the New Tial 38mm Waiste Gate I'm running and on Friday the Gaskets that go between the Manifold to the waiste gate and the Waiste Gate to Dump Tube - both Blew.

And I was wondering if this is a common problem with there Gaskets? I checked all the bolts to see if they were loose. But they weren't. So does anyone have a recommendation for any different Manufacture to use vs. ordering new Tials?

Or what else can I do to prevent this? cause swapping gaskets every week isn't something I'm going to enjoy paying for.

I didn't copper spray them. Do you think that would have helped?

coper spraying them won't help.. beleive me i tried..

i made my own out of coper seath its lasted for 200 miles so far..
maybe we should ask Tial for better ones for free? my housing of the tial side is bulging a little and the exhaust is coming out the middle.. between the bolts..

-E

Both of my gaskets blew in the middle between the bolds.

Manifold one - blew out at the bottom (so air blows downward)
Dump Tube one - blew out the back side (so it blows towards the manifold)

You can see the wholes where the material is gone.

Just use high temp RTV, there gaskets suck.

~John

I was thinking about doing that but didn't know if that would be a good thing or not.

Also noticed my oil feed line is now leaking a little bit. So I have to fix that also.

the silver stuff? won't that burn? i tought that was only good to about 400C and temps there get up to 900C

-E

If anyone is looking for gaskets, I have two extra.

which will last whole 100 miles .. yaaay!
-E

haha - I think I got about 105miles out of mine.

Well, if anyone wants to buy the best silicone available, I can get you a tube for ~$35. We use it on our stoves at work. This is a full sized 11 oz. tube, so maybe QPR or Elite would buy a tube and sell small amounts? Just a thought.

It's WASTE gate

ok mr English!
-E

:lol: I was about to say the same. :cheers:

Yeah, maybe we should make Brian type up his replies in Word to use the spell checker? :P

:fworld: heheheh

Ok Question for you guys - I'm blond and it takes me a while to think about stuff.

Anyways. - the waste Gate shouldn't be opening before I hit the 17psi mark right?


IF so then why is it that right before I come out of Vacuum I hear and Exhaust leak? which this whole time I've been thinking was my Waste gate.

I have a 5 bolt exhaust side with only 4 bolts holding it in. Could that be what I'm hearing? And also be the cause of my Slow Turbo Spool up?

Just wondering cause there is no way I'm going to be able to get that 5th bolt in there.

Haha he said "waiste" again! haha sorry just had to.

Force of habbit. I type fast and never proof read. (due to being at work, etc)

With the way I made that for you the 5th bolt will definately go on there. That is why I made it straight next to the turbine outlet flange. You just need a shorter bolt for that, preferably an allen head bolt. You have more room on that one than I had on my HRC (Joem has it now).

JET

I knew there was a reason I couldn't get it in there. (ie: we never cut that last bolt?)


And since I've never tried it can i just cut the end and then use my Die/Tap set (sp)

to fix the threads?

washers can be your friends sometimes..

-E

It's not that the bolt is to long and we need to take up the slack.

It's the the Radius of the 02 housing has to be really tight due to the Turbo placement.

So there isn't enough room to put a normal sized Bolt in there. Hense I have to cut it down or get a smaller one so that it fits between the pipe and the Flange. (hope that makes sense?)

Maybe a stud will work if you start the nut before the housing is tight against the turbo. Just a thought, anyway, I think I am going to try to talk to a Tial Engineer and see what the issue is with there stuff, there may be something that has been designed to resolve this like a sleeve or similar. Maybe a wire o-ring and reciever groove with a metal gasket. It may not be a simple solution, but it would be solid.

sorry i should of explained myself better too :)

cut the washer in the same radius of the 02 housing.. get it ...

so it would look like D maybe or something..?

stack like 5 or 6 of those washers and you would be set..?

one solution.. not so pretty... or just get a shorter bolt..
-E

Mike, remember those grooves in the flanges you get from tial?

hmm.. that could be the answer?

-E

Brian, before you cut the bolt, thread a nut on it. Then cut it and unthread the nut. The nut will straiten the threads. IMO easier than trying to start a die.

Well with limited driving this morning (from my house to work)

I think I resolved the Exhaust leak. (Haven't boosted yet) but at least I didn't hear that annoying Exhaust leak sound.


I ended up "Notching" the 5th bolt hold as cutting the bolt wouldn't leave me enough thread left.

So what I tightened that Bolt first (it's an "Allen" Style Bolt) and there was no way I'd be able to get an Allen Wrench between the pipe and the bolt so I had to tighten it as far as I could then slide the 02 housing in place. But in the other 4 bolts, Tightened them down. And then came back with Vise Grips to tighten that 5th bolt.

And this time there was no gaps aroung the flange. So I was happy with it.


I then had to redo my Waste Gate RTV - Last time I installed it I installed the Dump tube first and then installed the waste gate onto the manifold. Well turns out the Dump tube is resting against the "V" Band Clamp so installing it that way didn't allow the bottom of the waste gate to seal.

so when I pulled if off I noticed that the "ring" that goes on the manifold side of the waste gate was actually pushed out a little bit, so it was not creating a seal.

All and All it sounds like I fixed everything. - But I do have to go back later at some time and change things.

Since I didn't finish till around 12:30am and I'd just put on the RTV (24hrs of cure time) I tried my hardest not to get on boost this morning. That way at least by lunch time there'll be 11hrs of Cure time.

Did the RTV work? What kind did you use? I'll have to check the temp rating on the tubes I have at home. I just noticed last night that my gasket is already leaking; piece of crap. A couple of guys on DSMTalk said theirs sealed without a gasket.

They have a High Temp RTV called Ultra Copper you could give a try.

I cant imagine they seal very well without a gasket. Im going to copper spray the bare metal and see what happens though.