Are you a "Useful Idiot"? DISCUSS
 

I copied this from another post, so it's not my writing.

Grover Daniel

Useful Idiots? ...

Please, take a moment and read this to the end. You will note that the current administration is on target on all 8 levels of control. If you agree, pass this on. We can only do something about it, if we fully realize what is happening.

Subject: Are You A Useful Idiot?

Saul Alinsky died about 43 years ago, but his writings influenced those in political control of our nation today.......
Recall that Hillary did her college thesis on his writings, and Obama writes about him in his books.
Died: June 12, 1972, Carmel-by-the-Sea, CA
Education: University of Chicago
Spouse: Irene Alinsky
Books: Rules for Radicals, Reveille for Radicals

Anyone out there think that this stuff isn't happening today in the U.S. ?

How to create a social state by Saul Alinsky:
Eight levels of control must be obtained before you can create a social state.

The first is the most important:
1) Healthcare - Control healthcare and you control the people.
2) Poverty - Increase the poverty level as high as possible, poor people are easier to control and will not fight back if you are providing everything for them to live.
3) Debt - Increase debt to an unsustainable level. That way you are able to increase taxes, and this will produce more poverty.
4) Gun Control - Remove the ability to defend themselves from the Government. That way you are able to create a police state.
5) Welfare - Take control of every aspect of their lives (Food, Housing, and Income)
6) Education - Take control of what people read and listen to and take control of what children learn in school.
7) Religion - Remove the belief in the God from the Government and schools.
8) Class Warfare - Divide the people into the wealthy and the poor. This will cause more discontent, and it will be easier to take (Tax) the wealthy with the support of the poor.

Does any of this sound like what is happening to the United States?
Alinsky merely simplified Vladimir Lenin's original scheme for world conquest by communism, under Russian rule. Stalin described his converts as "Useful Idiots"; (Sounds like something we have just been hearing lately regarding how Obamacare was passed).

The Useful Idiots have destroyed every nation in which they have seized power and control. It is presently happening at an alarming rate in the U.S.

If people can read this and still say everything is just fine, they are useful idiots.

DISCUSS,....

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This was his opinion on the afterlife. Sounds like a stand up guy.

"Alinsky died at the age of 63 of a sudden, massive heart attack in 1972, on a street corner in Carmel, California. Two months previously, he had discussed life after death in his interview with Playboy:[4]

ALINSKY: ... if there is an afterlife, and I have anything to say about it, I will unreservedly choose to go to hell.
PLAYBOY: Why?
ALINSKY: Hell would be heaven for me. All my life I've been with the have-nots. Over here, if you're a have-not, you're short of dough. If you're a have-not in hell, you're short of virtue. Once I get into hell, I'll start organizing the have-nots over there.
PLAYBOY: Why them?
ALINSKY: They're my kind of people."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saul_Alinsky

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So he was an atheist, no surprise there.

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Not sure what that has to do with the OP. Looks to me like 1-8 is currently happening.

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It has everything to do with the OP. He tells who he is in that short clip. His kind of people are short of virtue.

What are his intentions for his writing? A person short in virtue might be likely to use fear to achieve their own personal agenda for their own ideals.

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The op is obviously coming from a right wing perspective. Take a quick read here through one of the themes of the book.


"In Rules for Radicals, several themes persist throughout Alinsky’s lessons to future community organizers. The most notable is his use of symbol construction to strengthen the unity within an organization. Often, he would draw on loyalty to a particular church or religious affiliation to create a firmly structured organization with which to operate. The reason being that symbols by which communities could identify themselves created strongly structured organizations that were easier to mobilize in implementing direct action. Once the community was united behind a common symbol, Alinsky would find a common enemy for the community to be united against."

Common enemy = liberals?

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I don't think Common Enemies would be Liberals.
It could be anybody or group deemed in the way of their goals. Could be conservatives, religious people, Christian bakers, etc.

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I realize now that Alinsky was a liberal, however, what I am saying is the people passing this around are using his tactics to gain control of people with right beliefs pitting them against liberal as the common enemy. As far as I can tell, there is no evidence to suggest Alinsky actually wrote the 8 levels of control, they were more likely written by a conservative.

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The whole thing appears to be bs. I hadn't heard of Alinsky before this thread, but he initially sounded like a paranoid conservative to me based on the 8 levels thing.

http://www.truthorfiction.com/8-levels-saul-alinksy/

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Conservatives are not about control.

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Conservatives are the one's passing around this bs.

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More like news outlets are the ones passing around the bs.

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^Sorry for the confusion - I wasn't saying it in a general sense, I was referring to the initial post.

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Here's more confirmation that the 8 levels of control are bs.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/alinsky.asp

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"If people can read this and still say everything is just fine, they are useful idiots."

Ironic? Yes.

Who's the useful idiot now?

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I'm still trying to figure out why I should give a fuck

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You guys are too funny. Nice discussion though.

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I'm pretty sure you don't have to give a fuck.

The only reason I give a fuck is because if I don't keep myself preoccupied with it, I start to feel sad about my smaller than average penis.

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I like turtles, and I <3 love our resident azn.

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This thread has gone just about the way I figured it would. I didn’t create the post; I just shared it for open discussion.
Rather than look at it on the merits of what it implies or ask, the thread went straight on to discredit the person who wrote it because the original author stated it was Saul Alinsky who said it. Of course it wasn't Saul Alinsky. But that's all that was focused on to discredit it (except AwdGSX13, he got it).
And that seems to be the way of left vs right, liberal vs conservative, black vs white, Christian vs Atheist, etc. as a way to not talk about what it really says. It's really is a sad state of affairs for everybody.
Ok, so let’s remove the "Saul Alinsky didn't write it" part out of it and say he did write it, or Mickey Mouse wrote it, doesn't really matter. Tell yourself somebody wrote it and now discuss it for the merits of what it says and not who wrote it or why.

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I have to completely disagree with you. The majority of us know that opening discussing topics such as this on a car forum is basically an exercise in futility.

Basically its a waste of time.

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I disagree. What difference does it make if its a car forum, a guitar forum, or a house painting forum? It's in the Political section. So if you can't seperate the two it's not our fault.

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NABR went on this same path just before it went extinct. No car talk, just political bickering.

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Yep, nothing good ever really comes of it, people just get fed up with the other sides viewpoint, because its always wrong and they post meaningless gifs and images instead. :)

Waste of time indeed.

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Sheesh. So literal. Let me correct my statement.

Better?

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Why even waste your time and ours if you have nothing to add to the discussion?

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The post says that Saul Alinsky wrote the "How to create a social state". He didn't. The point of the rumor thread was to create a link between Obama and Hillary since they had written about Alinsky and imply they are following the 8 levels of control - which Alinsky didn't write.

Since Alinsky didn't write How to create a social state, what is the point of discussing it?

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If you forget about who wrote it and ignore the link between obama and hillary, is that something that you see today? That is what he is getting at. Is it even possible that if they do control those 8 levels that it would have some truth?

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Ok, let's call this thing here the 8 level of a 1st world country. An alternate version of the initial post.

1) Healthcare - Universal health care
2) Poverty - Unlike 3rd world countries, the majority of people do not live in poverty
3) Debt - A central bank exists where all money is created from an equal amount of debt
4) Gun Control - All first world countries have some level of gun control
5) Welfare - There is a safety net system in place to help those who are struggling.
6) Education - The highest levels of education exist here.
7) Religion - No religions should be given priority
8) Class Warfare - As has always existed in history class warfare exists. Economists are working on the best way to handle this.

I just wrote this now. Do you see my point yet?

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So, once again, rather than discuss the topic at hand, you'd rather deflect the discussion and insert your own?

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So rather than address the validity of the 8 levels of control, you just are willing to give them merit since they suit your beliefs?

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http://i690.photobucket.com/albums/v...ssian_pear.jpg socialist pear says lol wut

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We should just rename the whole politics section to "Of course the liberal agenda is evil and going to destroy our country, if you think otherwise you're an idiot."

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Its not about what I believe, it never was. Nowhere in this thread have I stated an opinion about the validity of it. Nice try though.

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If validity is not important in the post, then what is?

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The question of "Could there be some truth to the message?" outside of the Alinsky referrence?

Was the original poster trying to offer up something that made you think for a moment, outside of our predetermined assumptions, a view point that looking from the outside in could make those statements seems true? Or at least plausible? Or just rediculous?