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I talked to a few acquaintances and few posts on facebook but honestly so many people are Islamophobic its pathetic and disappointing on how the world has turned.

So I asked a question, If you had to leave your kid with someone for a day or two, would you feel more comfortable leaving him/her with a priest, or a Muslim?

What say you?


Hi :) back after a long absence :)

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Oh boy..

Unless everyone decides to accept everyone they're some sort of "ist" or "ic". It's funny how the world has turned some type of way when in reality everything is being forced to change now. So realistically everything is being forced or attempted to change in the favor of these people.

One cannot point fingers when we get down to the nitty-gritty. Especially when the word Muslim comes into play.

This is not to say were not supposed to love our neighbor despite their personal decisions err...yeah.

I do not have a kid so I won't attempt to answer the question.

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Muslim, i trust my dad. :)

It's a religion he chose and I respect that. Such that he respects my atheist views. Hasn't changed who he is. Has been and still is a loving caring person just like when he was a Buddhist forced to convert to Christianity.

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Well you know I'll say Muslim.

Welcome back.

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Just like anything, there are always some nut jobs in every category. There are a lot of muslims so we are seeing more issues (just due to the number of muslims). The biggest problem is that these nut jobs are doing some heinous and public acts which brings bad publicity. This is very similar to the school shootings. A few maniacs make all the rest of the gun owners look bad.

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I'd leave my kids with people I trust, I don't really care what race or religion they are.

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I guess it has a lot to do with context. The "religion of peace" isn't so peaceful when you get right down to it.

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Neither is Catholicism. Most religions say to wipe out other religions.

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I never claimed it was. In the same mention you won't read anywhere in the Bible to kill all infidels. Or things of this nature.

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That is right on for us too.

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Welcome back Enes, it's been too long!

I see where this thread is headed so I've moved it to the Politics section...

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Looks like you need to read it more:

Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)

If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)

There are also references in Samuel to the same affect.

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Every time someone quotes scripture as fact, im going to quote The Lord of the Rings and the Hobbit books as Fact.
All religions are riddled with blood of people that chose not to follow them. Its a ridiculous institution that has no place in modern and future societies. This is my opinion.
If your religion whatever it may be, causes you to hurt other people, or look down on them because they think differently, or causes you to molest little kids. YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG.
Anyways i could say more but i dont want to get tied into this.

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I agree with Steve and Jets comments. Doesn't matter what or who you are as long as you are a decent person.

It's a point in time where some nut jobs are doing things which are not consistent with the religion of Islam (Muslims), but are doing what they are doing under the guise of a religion. Amongst the majority (moderate Muslims), the second a person commits these acts, they are out of bounds of the religion and we no longer consider them true Muslims.

Historically, this has happened to all/in all religions.

Fact is, there are somewhere between 1.2-1.5 billion Muslim's on earth. The majority are peace loving good people who actually follow the intentions of the reliogion, not look for some verbiage they can distort and use to their liking.

Like in most cases, people who decide they will condemn large groups for the acts of a few.. it comes from ignorance of facts.

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Exactly my take also. I was raised Lutheran, but I have grown to not believe in organized religion. I agree with most of the morals they teach. You don't have to be religious to be a good person and just because you are religious does not make you a good person.

Unlike many religious people I do not hold their religion against them (my family is a prime example of this) nor do I push my views on them. Your beliefs are your own and it is propaganda if you try to push them on others.

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The majority of Muslims aren't terrorists, but the majority of terrorists are Muslim.

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This. /End discussion.

Hi E!!

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Bingo.

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Disagree. That's what the mainstream media is pushing, but "terrorists" are all over doing all sorts of wrong things. It's at their (media) liberty to label at will, and it's not spread evenly.

The media topic is bigger than this thread, so believe whatever I guess.

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Thinking all Muslims are terrorists is like thinking all Christians are members of the KKK. Fear makes for irrational interpretations of things.

I prefer to leave my kids with Eskimos.

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Ahhhhh. You know, it is SO refreshing to see out of context posts about the Bible online. Please oh please; sense the sarcasm. This get's so old so fast. If you're going to make a reach such as this at least try to help yourself out and read a good amount before this and well after it. It hurts you in the long run.

I just feel like mentioning a quote from Daniel Patrick Moynihan "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts". Really an interesting quote, isn't it? Let me get into this...something I wasn't even aware of until you made such a silly post.


Literally anyone can post a certain part of the Bible out of context. Sure you (as well as anyone else [again]), can bitch and moan that context means nothing but let's face it...context is key in everything.


The fact of the matter is what you posted is PART of the directions God gave to Old covenant Israel and absolutely no one else. This was before Israel was even established. Sadly this is probably the easiest answer to give without filling a page full of information..

Of course this will probably mean nothing to you and you'll continue thinking it is an order to followers of Christ for all of eternity. Then try to use it everywhere else. Hopefully someone with ten minutes sees it and does such as I did.

Context is key and that is simply the cold hard fact. Like it or not.

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You talk about context in relation to the Bible, but don't seem to extend that concept to (acceptance of that concept) to others in this case. It's a valid point, but everyone needs to understand it's happening by others outside of the cause / religion you care about personally.

What you mention about pulling something out then taking it out of context to use in an unintended fashion is exactly what's going on in the world currently with people claiming they are Muslims and doing terrible things.

To condemn anyone, you must first actually know facts. There are many interfaith groups in most big cities who get together to understand each others religions and work together to dispel ignorance. If anyone actually cares about truth, this is a good avenue to learn. MN has a strong group of learned Christians, Jews and Muslims (all people of the book) who gather regularly for the last 25 years. Other religious and non religious groups attend, it's just organized by these three.

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Agree to disagree I suppose.

http://m.state.gov/md123085.htm

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Again, bigger discussion, and leans more toward politics AND religion than either alone.

I generally stay out of most political discussion, but will generally chime in on religion topics.

Your comment will lead directly to politics at some point so I'm out of that one.

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See what is funny about that statement is, I can throw it right out knowing this peaceful religion was a straight copy off of the Bible. Than the usual twists and tricks. As well as a certain prophet dying and never having risen from the dead as he claimed he would.

Whereas in the Bible this isn't the case. Those who claim otherwise are illiterate and illogical naysayers that are clinging to their disbelief (or as many would like to say humanist belief/faith), based on irrational...be it fear..? That their humanist faith is in fact crumbling and has been for decades if not longer.

When it comes down to these things one has to chuckle.. I'm starting to see my time spent here leaving a comment was a waste and I feel we're about to jump onto a merry-go-round of useless claims. Full of wasted time for the fact that people cannot educate themselves on simple facts. Such as earlier taking a section from the Bible, how the Quran came to be, what things have been proven yet people still claim otherwise..it's really quite sad and pathetic.

Do with this what you may.

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I really don't care what anyone's beliefs are. As I mentioned, if you are a good person by most people's standards, that's all that matters.

I would like to correct something you said. While the three religions are overlapping in most the prophets, stories etc. None were derived from the other. Each religion believes their book was created through a specific prophet by God (originally).

As far as a prophet coming back. Our belief is he is coming back at the end of time (fwiw).

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Quick rebuttal.
Legal Criteria for Designation under Section 219 of the INA as amended

It must be a foreign organization.
The organization must engage in terrorist activity, as defined in section 212 (a)(3)(B) of the INA (8 U.S.C. § 1182(a)(3)(B)),* or terrorism, as defined in section 140(d)(2) of the Foreign Relations Authorization Act, Fiscal Years 1988 and 1989 (22 U.S.C. § 2656f(d)(2)),** or retain the capability and intent to engage in terrorist activity or terrorism.
The organization’s terrorist activity or terrorism must threaten the security of U.S. nationals or the national security (national defense, foreign relations, or the economic interests) of the United States.

It does not track Domestic Terrorists, i.e. the Tea party, KKK, Neo Nazis, (all pretty much the same)

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Here we go, the stupidity begins. I'm sure the main stream media is covering up all the Tea Party violence happening around the country.

http://www.fedupusa.org/wp-content/u...4029819767.png

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This entire argument is unresolvable. It isn't about anything more than an ancient argument over land - nothing more.

This is when the Catholics were the terrorists.
http://www.history.com/topics/crusades

Jews
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_religious_terrorism

Christians
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism

All groups have their fair share of fucking retards.

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http://www.troll.me/images/mah-nigga/ma-nigga.jpg

I wonder if Enes is just sitting back with some popcorn....

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I'm just amazed at the logic of some of you. Shown here as well as threads of the past.

Anti-Judeo Christian (in any and all forms)? Perfect. Left wing as possible? Perfection; life. Nonsensical? What we strive for.

tpunx99GSX - If you honestly believe that the Tea Party is a terrorist group you need mental help. Really you do. I mean for God's sake the Tea Party's mission statement - "Our mission is to bring awareness to any issue which challenges the security, sovereignty or domestic tranquility of our beloved nation, The United States of America. - See more at: http://www.teaparty.org/#sthash.ZM4qCHXB.dpuf".

Or check http://www.teaparty.org/about-us/.


I would ask what you think makes the Tea Party a terrorist group but I don't care to hear you spout off some sort of illogical babel.


The Tea Party a terrorist group? Jesus..

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Stop arguing, you aren't going to change someones mind regarding topics as deeply rooted as religion and politics on an internet chat board.

It's pretty shallow in my opinion to place judgement on someone based solely on what book they do or do not follow.

With that being said, I'm checking out of this thread.

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I'm not going to touch the first part simply because it's an entirely different can of worms to be opened. I have to chuckle though. In the same mention of thinking one's own opinion is shallow, you call their (as well as others), view or belief a simple following of a book. When really it's much more than that. It shows were you stand. You dug yourself into that hole!

With that being said, don't let the door hit you. Don't be surprised if I follow closely though. I don't exactly like wasting more time than I already have.

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Wow. There is so much wrong with that video I don't even want to begin that discussion. Your view on the religion is pretty clear though.

I'd love to know how they "polled" all those people.. those "facts" are ridiculous.

This thread is now headed a bad direction.

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http://www.patheos.com/blogs/progres...-put-to-death/

How many Christians are radicals by the measures in that video?

I have more than one facebook friend who suspects 9/11 was a conspiracy carried out by the U.S. so they would also be radicals by those measures.