Fp green or red
 

Just looking around to see if anyone has either an fp green or an fp red. Considering upgrading from my evo3. Looking for one that is ready to bolt on and doesn't need rebuilt, low miles and little to no shaft play. Please let me know if you have one and what you would want for it.

Thank you!

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FP is having a sale on RED or Green's for $899

MAP might sell you a PTE bolton for a good price.

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Alright, didn't know they were having a sale I'll take a look! Thanks Aaron!

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Don't go PTE over FP!!! FP has such a great customer service basis and fantastic designs and upgrades over PTE for the same price. The stock frame saves you time and money and in the words of Justin from DSMTuners, PTE journal bearing turbos are NOT in the least reliable. I have an FP Black and am speaking from experience. :) Hope this helps.

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Which of the two (meaning red or green) is suggested? Coming from a guy who really doesnt know the real difference between the two

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How much power do you want to make? The red is rated for 5lb/min higher flow than the green and has a more linear if you will, turbine wheel design than the green which should make for a similar spool.

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Not too concerned with the amount of power I will make, yet, I am picking up a 2.3 from cornfed this friday and am considering getting either a red or green because all I have right now is an evi III 16g, Potentially i would like to get alot of power out of it, but my car is mainly used on the street, havent gotten it on a track yet. So basically looking for a good street set up

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I would say get the red or black for the 2.3. Nick is a great guy! The spool of any FP is really quite good and they are so easy to install and work with. I definitely recommend external wastegate on anything larger than the green though. As a general rule of thumb, 1 lb/min of airflow roughly equates to 10hp. on a well machined and tuned engine.

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Oh for sure I know he is, Known him for a while now, I was mainly looking at the red or green, due to the fact that nick actually told me he would suggest one of those, and it doesnt hurt that they are damn near half price right now

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http://store.forcedperformance.net/m...Code=DSM-Turbo

Turns out the black is only $50 more right now but yea I hear ya. I'd say green for internal wastegate, but red for the power in the long run and it would work great with that setup. Yes both will spool faster than the black that's for sure. Are you auto or manual?

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Manual. I am fairly new to these things and this will sound stupid, but what is the difference in external to internally gated? Likee what advantages are there?

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I will send you a pm and I can explain these better.

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Alright cool thank you

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Well, I just got done bolting up my old school Green tonight. I had the Red many years ago when I still had a 2.0, great turbo, made a lot of power and was decent on the street. More recently I had the E316g with a 2.4. Crazy spool, made 350ish dynojet on pump gas, but not quite enough, so I picked up a Green. I was waiting for a sale on these things, but it never came, so I scored a nice deal on the old style one, freshly rebuilt by Justin. I've now almost completely duplicated the 2.4 Green setup I had in my Evo, which was the best combination I've ever had, just in a cheaper DSM package. :D

I'd put it this way, with the 2.3, if you want a great street car and around 400whp on pump, get the Green. If you want a weekend 10-second car with no intentions of turning the wheel at an event, get the Red. I would think the new style HTA Red with a 2.3 would spool about even with a 2.0 and the Green, but make another 100+horsepower.

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Are you referring to internally gated or externally, cause that is my debate right now, I want to figure out which of the two would work best for a great street set up

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Go external. Recirculated or Atmosphere dump, the choice is yours.
External gates are intended to give a more precise control on boost levels, while they also help with "boost creep".

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Alright, thank you everyone!

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The only thing im not a fan of is the warrenty or lack there of from fp. They do make great turbos but have you considered a garret turbo? amazing warrenty on the ball bearing stuff. ball bearing exchange program is top notch. they now have a gtx line that is very bad ass. unless you are just trying to keep that stock appearing thing going I guess. BTW not a ploy against fp at all. I am still concidering letting them upgrade my 35r

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I was actually thinking about the gtx, but then again, cannot find one for a decent price, I looked online, unless I am looking at the wrong turbo they were $3000+. The red and feh green are $899 right now, that is one main reason I was looking at fp.

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That a hell of a deal, I wouldn't look anywhere else.

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If the black is only a few dollars more why not do that?

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Well to be honest, I don't know diddly squat about the turbo's. I always thought the black may be a bit overkill. I mean, as I said I am basically trying to get a turbo, that will make for a great street car, due to the fact I don't get it on the track much, and am not building a drag car out of it. That being said, if people don't feel that black would be overkill, I would consider it, if that makes sense.

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A stroker with a Green on it would be a sick street setup I'd think. Great balance of power and spool, would keep it a very enjoyable car to scoot around in. I know we live in this internet world now where if you don't have a 70mm turbo then you don't deserve to breathe. But in the real world, a 450hp Green powered stroker DSM with kick ass spool would be fuggin sweet.

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Yea, don't get the black. I had a 2.3 with an old school red, was pretty fun and spooled around 4000 rpms which I thought was good for the street. But a green would have even better spool and be tons of fun with maybe 50 less horsepower. I would vote for the green.

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Me three. :D

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http://www.punishment-racing.com/pun...eclipse-talon/

If you go external.. try the punishment racing 02. They have the full setup with wastegate for $570.

My new car has it and so far I like it. Only issue I've seen so far was the previous owner said he ordered the black color wastegate but now the color is heat cycled and looks off on the color now. I can take a picture. Tomorrow if you want.

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I think the Green will be perfect for you IF you just want to have a nice street car with track capabilities. With the red you have room to grow or build upon if you'd choose to do so. That 2.3 with that ported head is going to do shit...lol Aren't you using a SMIM too?

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Not yet no, though I would love to get one if some one had one for sale! Still running stock intake mani.
I actually have my eye on a recirculated o2 housing with a tial 38mm that someone I know is selling. Basically it's half the price. Spending a lot of money within the next month so I would like to save when I can!

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The setup you saw for sale seemed like a great setup, and I'd be happy to show you how that looks on my car. I have a 2.3 with a black but agree on what the others have said as far as the goals and capabilities of each turbo.

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Topend yo! I say go with the FP black, worried about spool? then down shift its that simple. the turbos "lag" or threshold will be high probably around 5krpms, but the actual lag would wouldn't be too bad.

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The stock intake mani is fine at the level of any of these turbos.

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^^Agree. Don't go SMIM unless you really have too. The more you mod, the more you start to appreciate how well OEM stuff fit and worked.

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Very, very true, just like how they look, but, I am most likely getting my stock mani powder coated so I guess it'll look just as good! So I have decided to order the green, question though, will paying the extra $95 to get it ported by them going to be benificial? Or is it a waste of 95 bucks

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With the green I wouldn't imagine you maxing out the flow of that housing so I wouldn't worry about the porting personally. Others may have better results though. Mainly on the exhaust side, it is to reduce creep, and on the compressor side, to increase flow.

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Alright, I wasnt figuring I would really need it, but, figured I would get opinions!

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Up to you really. Me personally I'd do it, I had my old bolt on 50-trim ported. Can't go wrong either way, just whether or not you want to drop another $95. If you're on a tight budget, just skip it you'll be happy either way.

And great choice man, I don't know how much power you've driven before but on E85 you'll be able to get into the 400's and it'll rip up the streets at those levels. And on a 2.3, it'll feel like a 16g on a 2.0 so still fun as hell to drive. Great choice! If only we all could choose like that and not get caught up in the internet HP dick swinging.

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I may just give in and port it, I mean, better to have it done for piece of mind, right? haha

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Yep, and done by FP who built the turbo so you know it'll be done nicely. Will give it just a tad more flow which Mitsu housings tend to already be a little more restrictive, so will only help in that regard. I think it's a good idea, but whether or not it's worth the cost is up to the person making the decision. Either way you go you won't go wrong though, it'll be a killer setup.

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Yeah I personally do not want to build a crazy high hp car right now, all I wanted was a car that I can have a complete blast in on the road, yet still have the ability to throw it on a track if I really wanted to. Plus I realize the more power you put through a motor, the more likely you arre to break things, which I already deal with enough!

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