head fused to the block ?
 

I blew my headgasket on the way home from pg2.

I let it sit till today. Wanted to get the job done before winter.

Ive done a head gasket before.

Anyway long story short. Blew a freeze plug(tyranny side)

Replaced the freeze plug. Had my buddy tighten down coolant lines (huge mistake)

I was halfway into my 2 hr car ride home when I looked at my aftermarket coolant gauge. It read 260 degrees. I thought man thats getting hot I better pull over.

Pulled over then baaammm . White smoke. Car dies. I figure hg. Look at my coolant system. It was bone dry. So my gauge was reading ambient air temp inside coolant system. Who knows how hot it got ? :/

So now the fun part. I tore it apart. Went to lift the head. Wouldnt budge. :$

So I grabed a bar. Tied a rope from exhaust side. To intake side. Then put a bar in the middle.

Buddy and I both squatted on each side of engine bay and then lifted up. Bent the bar. Nothing from the head. I removed some of the head studs. Discovered a few of them are ceased and now stripped out........


Is it even possible for a head to fuse to a block? Ive got to be missing something here :/


Sorry for the long post guys. ...... :frown:

Re: head fused to the block ?
 

Any ideas on how to get it off?

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You make it sound like you were trying to lift the head off without removing all of the head studs first.

If it's as bad as it sounds, it's no big deal if you cant separate them you probly need a different block and head for sure.

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Only thing that holds the head on is the 10 head studs and the t belt around the cams right ? I used the mitsu tool to slip the belt off the cams. Pulled the 10 head bolts. And she still is stuck on there like I never even took the bolts out ..........

Im confused. ......... any tips ?

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The first time I did it this summer. I just tapped the corners with my rubber hammer, and lifted it right up.

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Is the bracket on the intake mani and block still on it?

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^^^ ive done this when i was in a hurry and heard many others forget to undo that bracket

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You unbolted the exhaust manifold from the turbo right?

Short answer is no there's more than 10 bolts holding the head down, but it saloon the peripherals.

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Never heard of this happening before. That's not to say it couldn't happen though, especially if it got that hot. Just look around for any other things that may still be attached. Get anything near the head that may attach to the block out of the way. Sounds like you may have to pull the motor anyways though, since you stripped a head bolt.

If you really did strip a head bolt I would say the block is junk, but if it's still a 7 bolt I know guys are boring the head bolt holes out in them to hold 6 bolt studs, so it may still be usable if thats the case. Good luck.

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Unbolted:

Turbo housing from manifold.

All coolant lines etc.

Fuel lines.

Wiring

Theres no brackets from the block to head on my set up.

head bolts

Took t belt off cams ....


Its literally free from everything. Just wont pull off. Im stumped.

I honestly dont think its fused together. That seems highly unlikely. But ive double. Triple and quadruple checked everything that could be holding it on. Im completely at a loss.

Only think I can think of is that maybe the head studs exoanded from the heat ? And have it stuck together? A few of them are completely seized on.

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They can be hard sometimes because the head is sitting in two dowels. You may have to use a pry bar at a couple of safe locations on each side of the head and lift each side up slowly until it pops out of the dowels.

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Pound on the side of the head with the hammer gently and try to break it loose

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Things ive tried:

Pounding on head with a hammer. Using a 2x4 between head and hammer.

Tieing a rope from intake and exhause manifolds. So there is about 6 inches of slake in the line. Then twisting a metal bar between in. Then lifting up. Bent the bar between my freind and I.

Tried rocking it while freind lifted.

Tried pry bar on strut tower under 2 , 2x4 ( to increase leverage )
Bar was under middle of intake.


Tried pulling out head studs. Got 4 out and said f that lol. (Stripped 3 out)

Honestly want to use engine life on it. But that would be alot of work to get it to where car is. But im thinking thats my last resort.

I just dont see why it wont come undone. :/

Re: head fused to the block ?
 

If I were you I would take the head studs out. If you're running them as there seems to be alot of talk about both studs and bolts. I've seen studs stretch a little to one side or another. That little difference in just one stud could make the difference.

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Any tips on pulling seized and striped studs?

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If one is stripped inside the block it is damn near junk. If this is a 7 bolt you can drill and tap it to 12mm, 1/2" or whatever the 6 bolts are. If the block is junk however then there's no need to worry. Pull them out. You seem to want the head off pretty bad.. So do what you gotta' do.

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Are the studs stripped out or are the Alan heads stripped out on the the top.

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are you sure theres no intake mani bracket that your missing

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Stripped out on the top.

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I figure if I ever fet the head off. I can just use vice grips on them and twist them out.

How many times can you use arps btw ?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrAV...e_gdata_player


Made a video. :)

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I have no clue why it won't come up.

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You need to get all of the head bolts out before the head will come off. :)

Are you sure you are using the correct hex head to get the bolts out?

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The easy way to get them them out now would be get a stud remover socket that will fit on them with the head on it still

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Yeah I bought a 3/16 socket Allen head.

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The actual stud itself?

The nuts/bolts are off

3 of the allen heads are rounded on the stud itself.

What would the stud tool grip onto with the head still on and only 1/4 of the stud exposed?

Theres seriously some kind of black magic keeping this damn head on :frown:

Re: head fused to the block ?
 

make sure all the washers are off as well. ive stripped out one of the allens on a arp and i pounded a torx bit into it and prayed, and i i managed to get it off. i really can imagine the head studs swelling and being your issue. 123abc's car blew a head gasket and he drove the 20 min remaining to my house and the head had melted between cylinder 2 and 3. so i guess with that heat, possibly it warped the head and block to the point that the studs are no longer standing straight. But i think its stuck on the dowels

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Just speculation, the head is badly warped and interfering with the studs.

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I'm pretty sure the studs have a 5mm socket head not 3/16. That didn't help with stripping them out.

That head probably isn't going to be to good after it got that hot. I have seen ones with a lot of damage after getting that hot.

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To get the head studs out get a set of bolt extractors. Pound an extractor on and hit it with an impact. This will ruin the head stud but should get it out.

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^ what he said. thats what we had to use for my oil galley plugs on my block. very cool.

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Sure there isn't a bolt holding the water pipe to the head? I missed that once.

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No bolts. But in all honesty head stud #4 is completely stripped at the top. The washer wont budge. I think that one is the issue?

All the washers move around on the stud (I dont have a magnet strong enough or anything to get them off :/ )


All of the studs broke loose before a few stripped at the top. But that one wouldnt move at all.

Re: head fused to the block ?
 

Thats probably your problem then. That one is at the end of the block right? does the other side wiggle even a little? Not sure, maybe drill it out somehow or something, or see some of the suggestions above...

Otherwise....thermite?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdCsbZf1_Ng&hd=1

Re: head fused to the block ?
 

Does this thing have studs or bolts? You have mentioned each about 15 times.

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If they are arps. Can't you just tighten two nuts together on the end of the stud and then try to get off that way? Worked when I did it.

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i was going to suggest that but he said only 1/4 inch sticking up.

i would try a magnet on one side and a pick on the othr to help lift washers up.

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BFH!

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The block has arp head studs. I removed all ten of the bolts that go onto the studs. But was unable to get the washers off of the studs themselves (so they are still sitting on the studs in the head). I was able to loosen and remove a couple of the actual head studs.

A few of the studs are stripped out and still inside the block.

But all bolts that hold the studs in place and apply the clamping force are removed.

Are 6 bolt arps 13mm head bolts ? Because my block has some weird stuff going on im discovering.

Sorry for the confusion. I mix alot of words up all the time. Im that guy. :p

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Bolt

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i1...10-S10UNMT.jpg

Nut

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/...-NutThread.jpg

Stud

http://i568.photobucket.com/albums/s.../Head_Stud.jpg

Do you have a welder that you could use to weld a nut onto the stud after screwing it on until just about even with the stud head?