How many miles before getting a tune?
 

Alrighty this is my first brand new engine. What I'm wondering is those of you who have broken in new engines how many miles did you put on it before you got a good tune and started having fun with the car?

The break in procedure that map gave says after 500 miles it should be ready for normal driving. Then it says I can switch to synthetic oil at 1500 miles.

So would I be good to go at 500 miles to get a tune and crank the boost up or should I wait till 1500 when I can switch to synthetic oil? What do you guys do with your engines? Thanks!

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I think we put 100 miles at most on Vassil's car before we took it to Shane.

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Per Ron, when talking about my car.

-Don't be afraid to get on it.
-Use regular oil for the first tank of gas
- Change the oil, inspect the oil, refill using regular oil
- Run for 1000 miles using regular oil, then tune and change the oil with regular again
- Run for 3000 miles, then change back to synthetic
*Using regular because synthetic is too viscous, and doesn't allow the rings to rub enough on new pistons*

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You should be afraid to get on it, if you don't already have a tune for your exact setup. The last thing you want is detonation on a new motor that hasn't has time to seat the rings yet.

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Hmmm does he do a lot of street driving? There seems to be a lot of controversy on how to break in an engine. I have heard a lot of people say break it in how you're going to drive it. I'm shooting at least close to a similar power level as him so idk how important mileage is to higher hp engines


That's good info! As for the oil I have enough amsoil break in oil for the first 1500 miles

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This is true. This is also kind of why im asking how long I should go before I get a tune because I want it tuned as soon as possible

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Did street driving before switching to all slicks... He is also on E98. A lot less chance for detonation.

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It might be a good idea to have Shane or Ron give your car a break in tune. Low boost, but still correct timing, FTA ratios, etc. That way to don't blow it up. Then break it in for like 1000 miles, and retune it.

Shane brings up a good point of clarification. My car is tuned, just not fully. So, I can get on it a little.

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Gotcha yeah l will be on e85



That is a good idea but the problem with that is low boost on my car with my wastegate setup and a gt42 is like 36psi lol. So i want to get it broken in enough with the gt42 then switch to a pte 6766 and get it tuned

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You don't need to boost it to break it in. NA cars don't have boost and they break-in great. You want to pull some really high vacuum as much as possible to help with seating and vary your RPMs and loads.

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This is a good point. How high should I bring the rpms? Red Line is set at 9500 and when we were done on the dyno you said not to bring it above 7k until I had the voltage drop fixed which I'm hoping I should have fixed

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Amsoil recommends using their break-in oil for 1,000 miles at the maximum. We used it for PlanoEvo's last build and honestly the rings did not seat well with it; we're using Supertech conventional this time around.

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Hmmm my block is a map stage two and that was what map recommended. But that's good to know. I'll probably run that for 1k then switch to a regular oil for 500 miles before I go to synthetic

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This!

All I've ever used and works great. Walmart! You change the oil early enough so it doesnt actually get a chance to break down.

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So are both of his. If you follow Amsoil's recommendations (like we did last time), use their break-in oil for 1k miles, then switch to their synthetic. This time around we're doing 1k miles of conventional then switching to synthetic.

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Well I already have the amsoil so maybe I'll just run that for 500 then switch to the super tech conventional. Map recommended waiting until 1500 to switch to synthetic so ill probably try that this time around.

What weight Supertech do you use? Just a straight 30 like the amsoil or something different?

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I'd drive it like a normal car for 500 miles, then bring it to Shane, and let 'er rip. There's no need to do long extensive mild break-ins, the rings seat in the first 20-30 miles. I've always had phenomenal ring seal with this on every engine I've built.

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I just use Castrol straight 30 for the first 20 miles, Castrol 10W-40 to 100 miles, and change the oil again with 10W-40 at 500. I switch to synthetic at 1000 miles.

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10W-30, then at 1k miles he'll switch to 10W-40 synthetic (maybe experiment with 20W-50 in the hot summer months).

Once he's on synthetic he'll be dyno-tuned. We'd honestly probably only worry about a 500 mile break-in but we want to make sure the segmented Kevlar clutch disc gets properly broken in before beating on it too badly.

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Okay thanks for the info guys! Map recommends changing the oil at 50 miles then 500 miles. So maybe ill run the break in oil for the first 20-50 miles then change it then run the rest of it that I have until somewhere between 100 and 250 miles then change it again and switch to a conventional for 1,000 to 1500 miles then switch to synthetic.

And I'll get her tuned at like 500 miles

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I think with the amount of money I have wrapped up in this engine I'm just a little overly paranoid and want to make sure everything goes good

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Completely understandable! I actually like your idea of Amsoil break-in oil for the first 50, then conventional, then synthetic.

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Seems like a good idea to me too. Plus I really can't justify driving out to Cottage Grove to return it so might as well use it lol

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I agree with Steve, change that first oil out quickly. I think I went around 20 miles on mine too, then 100, then 500. At the 500 change I switched to synthetic. Just vary the RPM quite a bit and fully lift off the throttle at 3-4k so you pull a good vacuum.

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Okay sounds good! You guys have been very helpful!

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Good read here

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I prefer when possible to seat rings on the dyno and immediately move to tuning.

Street cars= Idle/startup/check over, change oil.
Vac pulls (20 or so miles) Change oil

Begin tuning non high load stuff for a few hundred miles, change oil at 500 miles. Depending upon rough in mileage period, start tuning high load around 100-200miles.

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Having it broken in on the dyno was another thing I have been thinking about because I have changed a few things from last year and it was never fully tuned last year and I definitely don't feel comfortable messing around with afrs or timing with aem. It just seems most people don't recommend breaking it in on the dyno.

Weather its on the dyno or on the street I just want to make sure it's done right

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The car is tuned for wide open throttle so no reason to worry about any issues with the tune.

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The car is not tuned for wide open throttle right now. That's part of the problem

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Hey 4seasons, I'm in the same boat with my Evo 8. I got the engine rebuilt and installed by MAP. The "Oil Changes and Intervals" sheet we got is misleading. It is prepared for conventional oil break-in, with change intervals at 50, 500, and 1500. The problem is MAP uses Amsoil Break-In oil for their new engines and what was discussed with me was there's an initial break-in and tune for about 25 miles, an oil change with new Amsoil Break-In oil, and then run it to around 1500 miles, at which point it is recommended by Amsoil to switch to Dominator synthetic oil.

I've read somewhere that Amsoil recommends using Break-In oil for a maximum of 1000 miles. With that, I'm going to run my current Break-In oil (in at 25 miles) up to the 1000 mile mark and then switch to Dominator. I'll get it retuned at that point too.

Then.... I'm going to fuck shit up :biggrin:

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Correct.

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Right now my plan is to run the amsoil break in for 20-30 miles, change the oil and filter run amsoil break in again up to 100 miles, change the oil and switch to conventional, then switch to synthetic at 1500 miles. I'll probably bring it to Shane for a tune around the 500 mile mark

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I should back up and ask where you're at in the process. Did MAP A)rebuild your engine and you installed it, B)they rebuilt and installed it, or C)they rebuilt, installed, and street tuned it?

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MAP has a dyno, I doubt they street tune anything. They may check or verify a dyno-tune on the street, but that's probably it. No legit shop would risk street tuning a car; fast way to get shut down and assets seized/awarded.

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Dyno isn't up and running yet. They had some issues with the builders but moving forward on it recently I believe.

Shit, they're in the middle of nowhere now. You could hide all sorts of bodies over there. Street racing anyone? LOL

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idk, they were looking for a tuner last I checked. Not sure getting it tuned there is even an option right now.

Wat?

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Last I heard they still have Jordan, unless he just quit or maybe they're looking for another.

Regarding your "Wat?", just imagine the lawsuit if they were to crash a car while street-tuning. From the car's owner, driver of the car they hit, any passengers they hit, owners of other damaged property, etc. Basically, a good lawyer would put them out of business since I guarantee no business insurance policy covers illegal street tuning, and no tuning waiver will hold up in court if it was performed illegally.

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Jordan's still there. He helped me when I picked up my car. He's not going anywhere. He hangs out there on weekends for other stuff too

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Eh crap, 4 Seasons went offline. If MAP built your car and then tuned it, they *should have* changed the oil after the initial break-in and tuning. I would run the included Amsoil Break-In oil 500 miles if you're going to change it and get a tune then.