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I haven't really been watching what Mitsu's been doing with the X's. Looking for a 2008+ Evo X.. Im sure there are quite a few actual owners on the site.. I am looking for ups and downs on them. How bad are the drivelines and is it worth the money vs 8-9's? What kind of MPG and driveability do they have? I've test driven a few but they were ridden hard and put away wet and had a few mechanical issues with 20-30k on them.

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I have a 2010 X GSR making 416whp that I daily-drive and take on cross-country roadtrips; 45k miles and counting. I had a IX GSR before and the X is a vastly superior car in pretty much every sense.

The drivelines are strong, Mitsu beefed up the transfer case compared to the 8/9's. I did have a transfer case failure covered under warranty, but that's because the factory over-filled the gear oil.

For normal daily mixed driving I seem to average right around 20MPG. On the highway you're looking at 22-26 depending on your speed.

Drivability is very good, especially on the stock clutch with stock cams. My car has retained 100% of the factory drivability no matter weather, traffic, A/C, etc.

The downsides to the car are the cheap plastic interior rattles (Presto felt and GTMat sound deadening help with this a lot) and the cost of maintenance (synthetic oil, frequent drivetrain fluid changes, tires, etc.).

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Not really an issue with oil changes. Just worried about the SST Vs 5 speed. I'd assume there is a ton of issues with the SST? BTW How are you getting that good of MPG? Everywhere I've been reading people are whining about 15-17mpg?

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Nope, SST development has come a long way in the past few years, just make sure you have the latest revision ROM from Mitsu since the 2008 software was a bit buggy compared to the later releases. For a stock turbo car you're fine with just proper tuning and an aftermarket cooler. If you plan to upgrade your turbo then you should also plan on upgrading the clutch discs. SST maintenance will cost more than a GSR's 5-speed, but aftermarket fluid and filters are bringing that cost down to a more reasonable level.

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The only true technical downside to the SSTs are when it comes to making power. If you plan to do any modding, they can only take up to about 350whp before you need to start looking at clutch packs and tranny coolers. If the plan is to leave them stock, or near stock than the SSTs are great.

The major difference from Evo 8/9 and Evo X is that the 02-07 Lancers were cars built on the Evo platform. Where as the Evo X is rally car, build on the Lancer platform. In 07 when Mitsu got out of World Rally they no longer needed a true rally car, and the Evo X became just a fast street car.

That said, the Evo 8/9s were tinny, loud and light. This of course made them faster than Evo X. However, Evo X being heavier has its advantages. It's a much more solid and sturdy car. There's 0 body roll, its safer and not nearly as tinny feeling as the 8/9s. It also has a lot more modern tech in it like standard bluetooth FUSE system (sorry 2008 and 2009 models), USB port, cruise control, and super all wheel control.

Gas mileage wise, yes, I've seen my car get 16MPG. But that's when I was REALLY hammering on it. I daily drive mine and I typically get around 21-24 MPG on a typical tank of gas.

They shouldn't be that difficult to find with 20-40k on them. Those are going to be 08-10's coming off lease.

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Crazies thing for me was that for only a few thousand more than a nice IX you can buy an X. In my case I bought an X for the same price as a much higher-mileage IX I was eyeing, but this was two years ago.

Just to echo kracka, I have a 2008 that I pushed pretty hard since I got it. I took some bad advice and pushed the stock fuel pump too far and it cost me dearly: broke a ring land at 28k miles and I 'got' to pull out the motor.

That being said, I have 18,500 miles on a stock-sleeved, .020 overbored motor with forged pistons and rods, ported head w/ dual valvesprings, medium-wild kelford cams, and a billet stock-frame turbo. The car runs full time on e85 making ~600hp. I get ~16mpg pure city driving and ~20mpg freeway, but thats e85.

I drag race once or twice a year so I change clutches more often than tires, but I drive thing every damn day, coldest days of winter and hottest days of summer, AC works as well as the snow tires and the car has technically never left me stranded.

There are a bunch of small things that can and will go wrong eventually, but with proper preventative maintenance and a little understanding that this is not a Accord I am 110% happy with the car.

SST tech has come soooo far in the last year even its crazy, guys are pushing the limit of the stock longblock and the 100% stock trans is lasting. I honestly wouldn't plan on drag racing it though, unless you plan on dumping a lot of cash into the trans. For a good, fun, comfy-ish DD, I pick the X.

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I do not believe this is true. Once a Lancer, always a Lancer :)

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Just saying that Mitsu's perspective made a 180°. Building an economy class car was a secondary thought from 02-07; where as building and economy class car was the primary goal with the 08+ Lancers.

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The VII-X Evo chassis has always been a modified Lancer chassis. The X chassis is the most rigid to date though.

The FUSE system and a USB port wasn't introduced until 2011. Bluetooth became standard in 2010 along with the multicolor display.

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O RLY???? lol

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I LOL'ed. Mr. used-to-be-Evo-hater now wants a peice of the superior platform. :D

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I seen you and tyler go over, figured I'd test the water. I haven't found one that's been up to snuff yet. I am searching though! they are fun but as been stated in here I don't know about launching hard as I don't want to keep the thing on jackstands. I never said I didn't like them, I just hate working on something all weekend. LoL

Plus, need a winter car now that the SRT-8 will not be coming out for snow season.

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*SHAMELESS PLUG ALERT*

Why not buy a new one? I can assure you all of the ones on my lot are unmolested and not beaten to hell.

L2O options for base package GRS are under $500 a month for qualified buyers.

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http://mitsustyle.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31931

Here is a great car for a great price! DO IT!

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Makes sense, an evo would be a great fit for what you are looking for IMO. I love mine so far, drives great. Not the fastest thing in the world, but still puts a smile on my face when I get on it a bit :-D

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So you evo owners, if you had an option for a 09+ SRT8 Grand Cherokee.. Would you do it?

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No @ SRT8. I've driven a heads/cam/built trans/rear end SRT8 jeep and while it was quick for a heavy suv.. it was still not that fast and the handling doesn't even come close to the evo. I am also not a big suv fan anyway though.

Even on e85, I've been over 21mpg on all my fillups so far. People saying 15-17 on pump gas are on the stock tune (very rich) and flooring it everywhere...

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Not even in the same league, totally different car. Worth looking at? Maybe but they are cars with different goals/uses IMHO.

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You own an evo now!?!?!? WTF! Post up pics slut!

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Yup.

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Pretty much spot on here. Apples and Oranges.

But as far as new cars go, there isn't a car on the market for under 100k that handles as well as an Evo.

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Except a used porsche? Or viper? or a GTR? :)

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All faster, none handle as well. Also talking about new (or new at the time) and under 100k

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Are you serious?

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Some of my favorite selections from my time reading sport's posts. Enjoy. rofl

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Holy shit the post above is amazing!!!

LMFAO. Of course an evo owner would say a GTR is not as good in the corners. Yeah there twice as much, but hands down stock for stock the GTR stomps an evo!

OP just get an Jeep SRT8, dont want ya to get all homosexual on us.

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You have to admit, goodhart was mad. You guys are too easy to get worked up. LOL

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Can we chill with the constant sales pitching?

If you're going to pass that on as fact, can you site some references? Here's a reference I was looking at, Evo's not even on the list.
http://www.caranddriver.com/comparis...n-100k-feature

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Exactly my thought! I seriously thought it was a joke at first. lol

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I'm getting conflicting info on the fuel systems, are they capable of supporting the max the stock turbo can handle? With the X, how strong are the internals? They use a semi closed deck with sleeves unlike the caliber block isn't it? How strong are the sleeves? Internals stout or suspect?

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Oh the retardation in this thread makes me LOL.

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Eh my bad, I went back to find the article. It shows comparisons between Evo X, GTR, Z06 and a couple others for Gforce and slalom times. Turns out they were talking about the FQ400, which is the Euro version with a beefed up suspension.

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Do you ever have something constructive to say? I swear to god you do nothing but whine...

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The stock fuel system is capable of supporting basic bolt-ons (intake, exhaust, intercooler, etc.) with pump gas, once you get into the more specialized bolt-ons such as ported manifolds, throttle body, etc. you'll need to upgrade the fuel pump. The stock injectors are fine for any stock turbo/pump gas setup though. 343whp on a Mustang dyno was the limit of my stock fuel pump; after that I had to upgrade to a Walbro 255HP. I didn't touch my injectors until I upgraded the turbo.

The internals are fine, the weak point seems to be the rods just like the 4G63. 400-450whp (Mustang) is generally regarded as "safe" on the stock block with proper tuning. A bad tuner can blow up an engine at any power level though. A local here has hit a max of 466whp and his stock block is still holding together (~55k miles on it so far), he's actually going in for an E85 retune this week and I expect him to hit 480+.

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What are you talking about? Because I find it funny that the #1 shit talker of Evo's now wants one? And the guy that pushes brand new Evo's on everyone and their grandmother thinks they are the greatest cars on the globe? Whatever dude...

Anyways,

Motors= weak if you go with more than a stock turbo/e85 setup.
Drivetrain = built like a tank, if you have an 08, get the diff pin installed.
Fuel system= Get a Walbro and be done. If you go with a big stock frame turbo like a Black/EF4/BBX/etc, you may need more.

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The stock motor isn't really "weak".

It's perspective I guess, you just need to manage torque. 400-500whp isn't an issue if your turbo is laggy enough.

And proper tuning is very very important.

Oh, and lol at this :)

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LOLOL wow. Mind blown @ trogdor, the newbness is so great! And the evo bashing now turned nutswing is epic!

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Why wasn't the miata on that top handling car for under 100k? What a joke. I do know nothing of the bigger NC and thats probably what they are comparing...

-Colin

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If you are staying stock turbo and run out of fuel, it's easy to address anyway. It takes 30 minutes to swap and hardwire a better fuel pump and injectors are right in the front of the engine bay if you're going e85.

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Wow, what a great thread! Lots of good stuff in here, thanks for the smiles on a hump day morning :D An Evo being better handling than an Elise or Cayman/Boxster... Can't make that up!