Tim's evo x
 

Been posting some on evomn but talked to a lot of guys on here, and neighbors with a member on here too (hellomynameis, don't know if he gets on here anymore though). Anyway, I picked up a 2008 evo x about 3 weeks ago and got to modding...

Car was bought with 32k miles from Jeremy in Des Moines, pr3z on evom and evoxforums.

http://i322.photobucket.com/albums/n.../SAM_0079a.jpg

He had mostly demodded it, but left the comp stage 3 clutch, swift sport springs, stainless brake lines, dba rotors, and hawk pads in. I also got him to throw some parts into the deal that he was going to sell... 3.5" ETS intercooler, ETS UICP and LICP, and ETS intake, and a whiteline rear sway.
http://i322.photobucket.com/albums/n...o/SAM_0094.jpg

I put the FMIC, piping, and intake in a day or two after bringing it home...
http://i322.photobucket.com/albums/n...g?t=1343154869

Then MAP built me some exhaust.. recirc DP, testpipe, and modified a magnaflow to be full 3" (promised the wife I'd keep it relatively quiet! But it only had to be quieter than the last car, which was a built vette with longtubes, corsa, and no cats, so that doesn't say much). Also picked up a grimmspeed 3port from them.
http://i322.photobucket.com/albums/n...o/SAM_0205.jpg
Other than getting the stock o2 housing out (that nut/stud facing the driver side tricked me, was expecting it to be another bolt from the passenger side), the exhaust install was a piece of cake, and I'm very happy with the sound, as is the wife!

I couldn't resist the corn, so I picked up some FIC 1100s, a DW300 fp, MAP fp install kit, and DW fp hardwire kit.
http://i322.photobucket.com/albums/n...t/Evo/fuel.jpg

Then I picked up the mandatory enkei rpf1s... 18x9.5+15, matte black
http://i322.photobucket.com/albums/n...o/SAM_0199.jpg

And put some nitto nt05s on them.. 275/35/18 (I've had good luck with other nitto tires in the past, first time trying nt05s, doing fine on the street so far at least, we'll see @ track)
http://i322.photobucket.com/albums/n...o/SAM_0222.jpg

No center caps on the rpf1s, so I used some rustoleum (or similar) flat black paint to clean up the rusty hubs while detailing it.
http://i322.photobucket.com/albums/n...o/SAM_0260.jpg
http://i322.photobucket.com/albums/n...o/SAM_0256.jpg

Then I picked up boost and AFR gauges from MAP and put them in (nice how the factory has a grommet right above where MAP put an extra bung in the dp for me! Boost sensor wires through the firewall were kind of a whore though, glad I have long skinny fingers at least).
http://i322.photobucket.com/albums/n...o/SAM_0264.jpg
AFR gauge works great. Boost gauge seems to not want to recognize vacuum in its auto-zero thing.. guess some x guys have had issues with it resetting between on and start positions, so it messes up the auto-zero... don't know, going to mess with it more tomorrow, otherwise it's going back to autometer if it's not just an install issue.

I intended on bringing it to Ron for a tune from the start, but was having difficulty getting ahold of him, so I set an appointment with MAP to do a tune, then got ahold of Ron the next day. I kept the MAP appointment to just get it swapped to e85 and hopefully save Ron some time, and make sure I don't have any other kinks to work out. Brought it to Ron this afternoon, and am VERY pleased with the results... :) (Ignore the baseline, was just a quick tune to get me rolling on e85... final numbers from Ron are 360hp/372tq)
http://i322.photobucket.com/albums/n...g?t=1344895565

Car is night and day better from stock power / stock tune. Looking forward to getting it up to BIR or at least an autox soon here (5 month old being the main challenge there).

:drive:

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You've done is right my friend! Welll...except the black rims...but that's your preference I guess...actually looks pretty decent on the white car.

Do you have an openport 2.0 yet? I decided to go no gauges on my car since you can just log them directly from the ecu...just a thought.

I have a video example of exhaust volume I need to send you.

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Looking good!

I think I might have saw you driving on 35S around fairbault last week or the week before when i was working in Owatonna.

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Wow, you move fast. Gorgeous!

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Thanks man! I do not have openport 2.0 yet. Zack next door has a 1.3u cable, but it won't do for mine :\ I mostly just like to have a boost gauge to recognize any vacuum leaks right away w/ boosted cars, and I clock the analog afr gauge so that straight up is about 11.5, so if I notice it go past that, it's a good indicator of something is wrong.

As for black wheels.. they don't show brake dust.. they just look like slightly less black wheels.. haha. And I think they look much better in person than in pics.

I think we were both at C&C the other day. 35S that far south... probably wasn't me unless I was heading north when I bought the car (woulda been stock wheels), I'm more west of the cities near waconia / mayer. Would love to check out your car closer before you sell it though. And curious what I might want to look out for... I really like the car as it is, but my power addiction will probably require me to go further with it, and I don't want to regret going further, should I decide to... if that makes any sense.

Thanks! :)

:drive:

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Haha awesome, does Zach still have his Evo? Ask him if he still has my red sweatshirt I left at his place like 3 years ago, LOL. 1.3 cable won't work sorry but the 2.0 + a microSD card are worth every penny.

Enjoy the car!

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He does. But he mostly drives the h3 lately.

Can do ;)

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Nice I had those same gauges. Do you let the gauges go through the whole seqeuence before turning the key to start the car? Those you have to turn it to the on position, let them zero, then start the car.

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I just replaced the front Invos on the vette with NT05s, they definitely grip better but I'm expecting less life out of them. With the Invos still in the rear it wants to oversteer now without much effort, the front just wants to stick. Hopefully they work at the track for you.

I like the white with black accents look a lot, car looks great, have fun with the build!

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Does your car have anything done to the shifter yet? IDK when your next round of mods will be, but the AMS gate kit, underhood bushings, and a front motor mount are all I have on my car and they made a WORLD of difference. Then some redline fluid in the gearbox and its heaven.

Hughes has a short shifter in his on top of the above and he loves it, I'm indifferent about it...just some stuff to look at next, def cheap mods that are way worth it.

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Looks awesome Tim, plus all the right parts for tracking this thing too.

If you don't already have it on your list, add the AWC relocation off the steering wheel to the center console. Its so easy for the car to be switched from tarmac to snow\gravel during a autocross run because of the location in proximity to hands on the wheel.

White with black wheels looks good, and should hide the brake dust nicely.

Shawn

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I do zero them in the on position, but it seems like between on and start, they lose power, so they end up redoing their auto-zero once it's started, and therefore are seeing vacuum at idle and think that's zero. I'm wondering if there's a different fuse I can tap into that won't cut between on and start, currently using the cig lighter fuse for key on power. Or maybe they aren't losing power (like I'd read in some evox thread), and there's just something wrong with the gauge :\

Yeah, I don't expect a ton of life out of them, but they were a pretty good price and I honestly don't drive much on the street anymore. I work from home mostly and don't really go out much, other than when I want to enjoy the car. Looking forward to seeing how they do on the track :) Thanks!

None of the above are done yet. I want to get the car on a course, then see where I think it could be improved. But honestly a lot of the potential for improvement is just going to be driver mod... new car, and I have only done a few road course and autox events in the past anyway, so I'm looking forward to doing a lot more in this car. All sound like great suggestions though, will add to the "eventually" list! I like to do a few things, then see how the car does, then a few more things.. etc. Too many changes at once and it's harder to tell what caused a problem or to really appreciate each change and know whether it's worth doing next time (or for the next guy). The previous owner did experiment with various transmission fluids and I can't for the life of me remember which one he settled on (have it written down in the garage, wasn't redline though), but compared to other evo x's I test drove, it feels better for sure. @Short shifter, I've had good and bad ones... the stock shifter isn't too shabby, so I'm not in a big hurry to get a new one :)

Thanks! I have noticed already hitting that AWC switch once or twice on the street and was thinking "this is going to be annoying for autox..." I will definitely look into the relocation.

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I will be heading to the Amery Airport event this Saturday. I might be taking a buddy's spot if he doesn't get some parts in early enough, otherwise I will just be spectating / riding with a friend or two.

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Couple things....

First...
http://i322.photobucket.com/albums/n...g?t=1345699528
After a lot of stop and go traffic earlier today (first time since dw300/hardwire/fic1100s/e85 swap). The return line had worked it's way off, then after popping it back on and driving another half hour in free and clear traffic, the car died and would not start. It cranked, had spark, had voltage at injectors, fuel pump clearly making noise, won't pop over with injectors unplugged (not flooded)... no leaks under the car... pop fuel pump out.. that line looked loose.. tug both ends out of the bucket, yep that used to not be a 2 piece fuel line. So... I suspect I AM having issues with idle/low throttle fuel pressure being too high and will have to address that. Thanks Scheides for the info/pms last week, it will likely come in handy here! Either that or that line is not e85 proof as advertised. Thoughts?

Second...
http://i322.photobucket.com/albums/n...o/SAM_0312.jpg
I may be a wee bit impatient? Oh well.

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Haha, already building the motor, nicely done.

I'm pretty sure those lines are e85 safe, they look like other OEM in tank lines and I've run e85 for awhile, as well as other Evo owners not having the line separate like that. That's the line right off the pump, right? I don't see how the high pressure would cause it to split though, because during boost you're pushing over 60psi through it.

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You know it :)

Yeah, I am kind of scratching my head at the busted line. Haven't searched on it much yet, just figured I'd post the pic and get people's thoughts. It's an easy fix, but I'd like to know why it happened. It's not an OEM line - it came in the MAP fuel pump install kit - http://www.maperformance.com/map-fue...evox-fpik.html. There were no kinks, wasn't squished under anything (bucket gets pushed down when you put it in the tank, so I was careful to route the line correctly), just odd.

I guess I'm not sure if they advertise it as E85 safe, so it could just be the wrong tubing is all. Going to give them a call and sort it out in the morning. Car's sitting in a church parking lot right now... hoping baby jesus watches over it? lol

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Gonna just pick up some fuel hose in the morning. Found a couple other instances of this style line breaking down in e85, so that's probably all it was.

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That plastic straw hose stuff is junk IMO, I've seen a few instances of it breaking, get the rubber submersible fuel injection hose that is ethanol-safe. It should be around $15/foot...

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Agreed, that clear stuff is junk. I don't know if I would even trust it on a stock car.

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FWIW I've been running the hose that came with my MAP kit for about a year and a half on e85, no problems. When I first installed it I thought I had kinked it (see my project thread) so I took it back out and rearranged it, no issues thus far, even after upgrading to a w400!

The problem is that a straight hose gets kinked, I tried this. You have to get the 'S' shaped hose that comes in the cobb pump kit (or one like it) if you wanna run this type of hose.

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Yea I'd ditch the clear stuff, I think MAP even says not e85 safe on their website.

I ran a DIY 225 install kit that I made for 6 months and like 10,000 miles and this is what it looked like, super gummy and discolored but still worked fine.

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...26/photo-7.jpg

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Nope, I've been running straight hose for a year and a half, it's fine if routed properly. Cobb no longer uses the S hose.

http://www.cobbtuning.com/Walbro-255.../evoxfpkit.htm

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Thanks guys!

I had read about the routing issue before I did mine and made sure it was routed down and back out with no kinks, etc. It was not a kink issue for sure. It is flared out where it broke as if the line was getting weaker or something was caught in it backing it up and it exploded.

I did talk to MAP, and they said the line is definitely used by a lot of guys for e85 and working fine as e85 is the main reason most people upgrade the pump / buy that kit anyway. But... read on.

I replaced the clear line with Gates 27093 ($28 for a foot of it at NAPA, they had it in stock at the distribution center one in St Louis Park). It is tricky to route such that it won't be kinked once the bucket's bolted into the tank, but definitely doable. After that, car started right up and ran good... for about 19 miles of a 21 mile drive home.

It died again, clearly losing fuel. Still had tools/etc in the car of course, didn't even put the back seat back in, so I pull the bucket out again, turns out the DW300 died. Luckily I still had a DW65c at home in the stock hanger assembly, so my wife brought it to me and I swapped it in.

Sounds like the 300s have a bit of a reputation for dying, then sometimes working 20 minutes later, then dying again. Probably a combination of the stop and go traffic, hardwire, and inadequate return line system... so that's the end of the 300.

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I would be more annoyed, but I was leaning toward a w400 and having to do an afpr or mod the return line at a minimum anyway. It sounds like MAP is working out some bugs on a new setup that I might be interested in though so I'll try to hold off doing too much for now.

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Did me and Ross help you push start your car at sears one night?

-Colin

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:(

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Yep. Thanks again. That was from the previous owner disconnecting the clutch switch and putting a jumper on the wire to it.. jumper worked its way out. Found the jumper on the floor later and wanted to kick myself. Plug clutch switch in, starts.

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No we're good :) I don't mind hiccups like this... bit of a pain in the ass, but oh well, learn something new maybe. It's working w/ the 65c for now, and I'm just going to be taking it easy for another 2 weeks anyway until we're ready to do the turbo/motor. Really curious to see if there's something else that caused the pump to go though.

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What turbo/motor are you going with?

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Turbo... MAP EF3. I originally thought about putting one on the stock bottom, but I would rather just build it at the same time and get what I can out of the turbo without puckering my cheeks every time I get on it. If I were going stroke/bore I probably would've gone EF4, but for stock displacement, I would rather have the relatively quick spool of the EF3 with pretty good top end potential.

Motor...
MAP ultimate duty rods w/ ARP bolts
Wiseco HD pistons -4.5cc 9:1
ACL main and rod bearings
ARP head studs
Stock crank, stock sleeves, stock bore, just honing. Stock head, valvesprings, and cams for now. Will likely do cams and valvesprings over winter.

Ron will be building and installing it. For what he quoted, it is really hard to say no and do it myself.

It is also getting shep diff pins while we're in there.

http://i322.photobucket.com/albums/n...o/SAM_0303.jpg

I am hoping I can swing a twin disc too, but I will be pushing it. Trying to find a deal there. The comp 3 does not seem to like 5500 2step launching.

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If you can swing it, id recommend doing the twin disk at the same time since your tearing apart the transmission anyway. I give it a 2 thumbs up and a smart upgrade. I we ever meet up I will let you drive it to see if it is your cup of tea.

Shawn

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Good to hear. It absolutely makes sense to do it at the same time too, it is no more work to do a new clutch than to put the old one back in when the motor and trans are coming out anyway. Just hoping I can make it happen without breaking the bank. That would be really cool. Are you going to the mitsu cookout?

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Shawn's clutch drives really smooth.

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No cookout this year for me sadly, it is the first year I am missing. I have a conflict with a chumpcar 24 hour race @ iowa speedway. One of these days I will make it to a Wednesday sonic meet, Spaz and Josh both tell me that's the place to hang your wang out.

Shawn

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No that's cool. I have been to Sonic once is all. Will try to go a couple more times though probably.

Talked to my parts hookup buddy ;) I am getting an exedy hd twin. I will just take everyone's word for it. Ron says he always uses exedy and other than improper install issues I'm reading about, they seem like the way to go.

My wallet is :redface: but otherwise I'm :Banane55:

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Exedy twins rock!

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I hope so! :)

Diff pins and openport 2.0 showed up today. Going to be at the Amery AutoX tomorrow and hoping the DW65c holds up! Going to be logging and watching AFRs like a hawk.

Tim

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Looks to be progressing very nicely! :)

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how do they feel? Aren't they pretty light in traffic?