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Alright MitsuStyle crew, its time for the big parts list to be ordered. My mechanical prowess is nothing like the guys here, so i figured i would ask. Are there any local guys that would be interested in helping install parts on my Evo IX?

The first order of business is the 60k maintenance. After that comes the FP 73HTA Green, FP4R cams, Kiggly Beehive valve valve springs and titanium retainers, A1 head studs and some form of headgasket, possibly just the stock one? Also bigger injectors, a bigger front mount, and an 02 eliminator screamer pipe. Haven't decided on the brands on these. Also drop springs of some kind.
My goal is a reliable build with a setup that can be driven every day of the year without problem. Power wise i would like to get close to 480 or 500 to the wheels on e85.

So what I'm asking is if there are any mechanically inclined people that would be willing to help with any or all of the installation of any of these parts, or if there is a better combination of parts to use. Or even if you have a similar setup, where is the best place to order from?
Obviously i would pay anyone who feels they need compensation for their work. I have talked to Shane at DB and they can sneak me in before proving grounds, but i would of course love to save from paying shop rates for everything.

If you took the time to read all this and can or know someone who can help, thank you so much!!!

Derek

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I could help with this.

-Colin

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I wouldn't do the fp4r's if you havent ordered them yet, they're way to big for that turbo. If you're getting a good price on them than its fine, but if you're buying new, go with the GSC S2's

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I'll be on Vacation June 8th thru 17th just north of Alexandria (Ottertail), but can be persuaded to back-trek an hour.

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Sorry man, between work, school, homework, and possible getting my car back into one piece I don't think I have time.

Good luck.

I didn't realize you were that far away! Shit dude, I'd take it one thing at a time and be careful luckily you have the internet to help!

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I'm afraid I can't help with the cheap labor, but I did want to mention that I have the following in stock ;)

Gates timing belts
MAP EF2 turbocharger (would take a few days to build to your specs)
Kiggly VS/R
MAP Ultimate Duty Head Studs
OEM Head Gasket
FIC Injectors

I'd love to help you out when it comes to sourcing the parts!

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480 to 500.. Must be maps dyno and not shanes..

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480-500 on what dyno? You won't get to that level on a green at DB. I would also skip the cams, valve springs, retainers, and head studs/gasket. You could meet your goals on map's dynojet/DB shootout mode without those parts and a Shane tune.

Also, fp4r's are kick ass cams for IX's. Not sure off the top of my head if the specs are different from 8 to 9, but it doesn't matter right now. GSC S2's like morningwood mentioned are also good cams, a bit bigger than the 4r's. I know the people I have talked to that have run the 4r's have commented on the quicker spool they can provide once some playing around with the MIVEC settings is done while tuning. They are definitely not too big for a green though.

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Yes, the FP Green and the FP4Rs are both going to be gotten at a 5 to 10% discount, I feel they are as good as any to run for what I Want so I'm going with them since they'll be a little cheaper. As for power goals I'm not concerned with the numbers, i want it be to reliable. Shane told me my setup will make in the 475 to 500 wheel horse (corrected??) on e85 at around 30psi.
I forgot to mention the car already has a full 3 in exhaust, intake, upper and lower intercooler pipes, greddy bov, a wally 255, exedy clutch, and an AEM TRUBoost, among a few other misc. goodies.

so with that being said, can you guys provide some insight on why you would skip certain parts or what will/will not be needed? I don't want to penny pinch but spending top dollar on un necessary parts is also not wanted.

Thanks for the quick responses guys, and thanks for being so accepting of my Newb-iness!!

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Thanks MAP Guys!! Can you provide prices on the Kiggly's, anything 60k maintenance related, and any other injectors you have in stock??
Thanks!

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Because you could make that power without those parts.

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PM coming over :)

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Thank you Chris for the prices at MAP! If I still have the car by middle of next week I'll be calling and ordering most of the parts you priced out for me! Trades and cash offers are coming into me quite frequently......

Anyway, with the mods I currently have, Goodhart, you think i'd make around 500 (corrected) with just the turbo and fuel support on e85? No cams/studs/front mount??

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Do a FMIC and at least the LICP, but otherwise I'd rock the stock longblock on the IX, with mivec and the turbo upgrade you'll be at the limit of the stock block anyways.

Whoever said 4R's are bigger than S2's is incorrect. GSC S2's are *the* cam to get IMHO but you have to do springs with them. I'd do tubular manifold or a bigger turbo before I did cams on an IX (and an X for that matter!).

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I'll have an AMS FMIC and their LICP for sale soon when my car makes it back to MN... and a journal bearing FP HTA Red with not a lot of use

just sayin'

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If i got cams they would be aggressive enough to make power and definitely would be doing valve springs and retainers with them. I already have a LICP, as well as some other mods, as i mentioned a couple comments up. I guess what my real question should be is what is the limits of the stock top and bottom end of the motor? I don't want to push the limits, i want to be safe and driveable everyday of the year, that is 100% more important than power at this point. Its just hard to find a concrete number on what hp/tq/boost numbers are safe.

So I guess with the mods that i already have, and wanting to spend roughly 4 to 5 grand on the parts/tuning and install if needed, what is the easiest, most reliable, and efficient way to reach roughly the power goal of 475 to 500whp (corrected on DB's dyno)??

I'll keep saying it, but thanks again to all of you for being so helpful!

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If you are interested in selling the parts within the next few weeks, PM me and let me know. I have priced out an ETS fmic, 3.5 inches thick. I believe they are a Garret core so should be good for what i want, if i'm not mistaken?

But if you do decide to sell any of the parts you just mentioned, PM me with a price, where your located, and what condition they're in and we'll go from there! Thanks!!

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That stuff will all be for sale soonish. I'm waiting for everything to actually make it back to MN before actually trying to sell it.
The turbo is already at my Dad's the FMIC/piping is riding back from Ohio in my car when it gets shipped back, which should be back in MN in ~2.5 weeks.

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Bryce made 500 dynojet on his old IX with an HTA green, e85, eBay fmic, ets uicp and pipe, and an exhaust with only a 2.5" downpipe. He was around 440 uncorrected at DB and ran 11.1-11.2 at that power level on all seasons.

He had stock longblock, no cams, no studs, etc. Stock manifolds and throttle body stock everything else on an act 6 puck.

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I would spend the money you saved on things like a short throw, shifter bushings, front motor mount, driveshaft bushings, shifter base bushings, rear diff bushings, and some good springs like swift spec r's or gt worx.

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Yea, I agree with goodhart. Before you go down the path of making epic power spend some time rounding the car off. Short shifter, underhood shift bushings, front motor mount, springs, sway, etc. It's the little stuff that make these cars fun!

Plus, stock IX turbo on E85 = bomb setup, you may be happy with it, most people are!

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Personally, my favorite mod is the head unit I bought from Scheides so I can listen to music from my Ipod. :)

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And I would buy the turbo last. Get all the other stuff (Injectors, E85, FMIC, piping, tune, mounts, bushings, shifter, etc) THEN get the green. That's just the way I would do it, to see if you really think you need the extra power over a stock turbo e85 setup, and to make sure you can actually drive it. Lots of people are stuck on making 500 HP when they can't drive a car with 400 HP.

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Like me :D, I couldn't drive my 500whp last year, so what did I do this year? Made more to compensate for my lack of driving ability, it only seems right, yeah?

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Hah, that too! Bumpin tunes are a must. Glad you still like that thing, I loved it!

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Thanks again for the continued advice everyone!
Whatever the parts I decide on will all be ordered, installed, and tuned at the same time. Since my mechanical prowess is nowhere near your guy's, whats most likely to happen is i'm going to have all the parts sent to DB and have them install and tune everything and return it to me finished. I can't go without a car for more than a few days and would be more comfortable with a shop doing the work, I don't trust myself.

With that being said, sounds like the general concensus for power is to get the turbo, injectors, fmic, drop springs and have Shane tune it on e85?? I had heard from my friend Kody of Bryces old setup and it sounds like i will have a similar mods list and make comprable power, which is what I want. I heard he drove it for many many miles and drove it how it was supposed to be driven, and had no problems.
I already have some good bolt ons (fuel pump, full 3 in exhaust, intake, UICP, LICP, bov, boost controller/wideband) so if I round out the setup and make roughly what Bryce made i'll be more than happy.

I wanted to do the cams/valve springs/studs/retainers, but are they not worth it at this point? If I can make my power goals without them i'd prefer to save on the labor of tearing the motor part way apart and those are also expensive parts.

Also the money could be then put to bushings, mounts, and possibly a further upgraded clutch. I fully agree on "rounding" the car out and make it an AutoX champ, but a majority of my driving is straight line speed. Honestly, my personal preference would be to make the power and try my hand at auto x. I don't expect anything impressive, but I think it would be cooler to drive it a bit then do the minor suspension/bushings to see how much of a difference it really makes. Thanks again for how easy you guys are to talk to!!

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You're buds with Kody? I don't ever hear from that fool anymore! Tell him I say hi.

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The FWIW, my car was fine with the factory head studs at 514whp/454wtq. Though, I only ran that setup for 1 season so YMMV.

I ran the stock valvesprings with Cosworth M2 cams since I bought the car in 2009, with the limiter set to 8k which it saw more than a few times without issue too. I found out from the previous owner a few months ago that the cams had been in the car since 2007.

For labor and tuning, I have only good things to say about Shane and DB as a whole.

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Ya, I've known Kody for a couple few years. He's seen me go through 4 cars, he helped with my SRT4, i think my terminator Cobra and tons of help with the Evo, and he swears by you guys, and your all great people! And i agree, Shane and the DB crew are the ones doing everything, will be the cars second tune by them.

So guess its time to pull the trigger, will be ordering an ETS 3.5 in front mount to go with my Fujita upper/lower Ic pipes, leave my intake and full exhaust as is, ust the addition of a 3 in 02 housing and divorced wg "screamer pipe", upgrade my existing wally pump, get bigger injectors, head studs/ gasket to be safe, and rock the FP73HTA Green on e85. Do you guys think anything else will be needed to hit between 450-500whp corrected on DBs dyno safely?

And as far as brands, who makes the best for the money for a 340 or 400lph pump, best head studs/gasket combo, best 02 housing and 02 eliminator downpipe/screamer pipe?

Thanks again guys, hopefully soon I'll be able to quit bugging you guys. But thanks so much for the suport and advice!!

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And what is the best injector to go with, keeping in mind the car may someday be gettin more power??

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I wouldn't worry about the Walbro if you're only going to have a green. If anything just do the high pressure mod to it. Pretty sure Kody should know how. I know 1000's were plenty on Bryce's green + 35psi, Maybe just get some FIC 1150/1250's to be on the safe side?

You honestly do not need the head gasket and studs, but if you really want to spend the money, I would go with a stock headgasket and L19's of some sort.

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Thanks Mr. Goodhart! That's pretty much exactly what i was thinking. Do the fuel pump mod and if i run out of pump have Shane throw one in on the dyno, I'm hoping he has one in stock. Last time we tuned, Shane said my wally may be a knock off and that one of the seal rings or something was missing, so may just get the pump to be on the safe side. Same with the studs and gasket, may just do it to be safe. Is FIC the best brand, and could i go bigger injectors on a low duty cycle safely, with room to grow in mind?

How about the 02 housing and screamer pipe? Which ones have the best gains/sound/fitment??

Thanks, yet again!

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Megan O2 housings are nice quality and dirt cheap. Lots of people run them without issues. Plus you won't get the nasty sound of an O2 dump on a small turbo

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Ok ya I've seen a lot of setups with them, that was my first guess on a good choice.

Would you not suggest doing the 02 eliminator screamer pipe with the FP Green?? And if so, how come?

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O2 elim downpipe with atmosphere dump is good for more power on almost any setup regardless of what people say.

It's just whether or not you want to deal with the noise. if you don't mind a loud car get it, if you do get a nice divorced setup, like MAP's.

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Thanks for the input Murlo!! When I talked to Kody today he asked if I had talked to you, so thanks for your input! Don't think I met ya at the Style opener at DB?

And yes I heard the open dump/divorced wg are good for keeping the shuttering and between gear boost drops low and make power as well. And as for it being loud as hell?? Well I'll admit the main reason I'm getting it is cuz it screams, call me a ricer I guess ;)

Here is my confusion: I've heard them called wastegate dumps, divorced waste gate down pipes, screamer pipes, 02 eliminator down pipes, what's the difference?? Or are they all the same thing with different names?? And how will it work with the green, what kind of waste gate comes on it and what psi spring should i select when ordering the turbo??

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Yeah man, you need some form of a built motor to be safely in that ballpark, on db or rs motors dyno's. On Maps dynojet that is doable

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Ya sorry, thought I clarified, 500 corrected, roughly 425 on DB..... I am going with someting similar to Bryce's old setup on his red 9.

What do you guys suggest, for that power goal, good use on the street, and plenty of room to grow: FP 73HTA Green or a used journal bearing Red? Presuming the red is in good condition.

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Probably the green, thats gunna get you to 425 no problem and give you good torque. Take a peak at MAP's turbos too, They have 3 stock frame turbos (EF2,EF3,EF4) The EF2 is about on par with the Green. EF3 gives a little more than the Red and littles less the Black and of course the EF4 is a bit much lol.

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Well guys part of the setup is on the way! ACT 6 puck clutch with HD pressure plate, 60k maintenance, and Maperformance external 02 housing dump ordered and on the way! FIC 1250cc injectors are on the way to DB. Just waiting on Josh (bramagedained) to get back to me on his fmic and FP Red! Woo hoo very excited!

Thanks for all the advice along the way everyone!!