Evidence is emerging that the WMDs, that Iraq supposedly never had, made their way to Syria right before we invaded.So its looking like Bush was right, and you fucking Democrats are gonna eat your words.

TESTIFY!!!!!

I chemical bomb blew up like 2 days ago in Iraq that was rigged at soldiers. We'll see we'll see. Im not saying anything yet ;) But I knew eventually we would find where they went.

I think anyone who followed the war even mildly (including myself) would have seen this coming. It's like when a 12 yr old boy has porn, and he knows that mom is doing laundry on Thursday (UN Weapons Inspections), and knows that she might snoop, so he takes his porno to his friends house...

It's all human behavior. Whether it's drugs, porno, or WMD...

I think there was actually more incidents before that one.For some reason the media has not given them much attention.

The media is run by democrats

WMD?

remember the one's US gave them......

-E

Weapons of Mass Destruction

A-Bombs, Dirty Bombs, Chemical and Bio Weapons.

HOw bout this shit, check it out http://congress.org/congressorg/issues/ale...=ua_congressorg

Just so happens I'm moving to Canada at the end of May.... Who's down??


jk

im there

:stick:

wrong wrong wrong...

<--- currently in iraq. this country is far too poor to ever have a true WMD, maybe one day they could have bought some plutonium and made a dirty bomb. But my mom could do that... They cant even get a scud missle to go a few hundred miles and hit a target within a 1 sq mile area. Thats weak sauce.

And that chemical "weapon" detonated a few days ago. It was over 22 years old. And whoever tried to detonate it didnt even know it was a chemical artillery shell, they tried to detonate it like a normal shell so that it would explode. In a sense they actually blew up there own bomb... Something that is 22 years old is not considered a WMD that we were looking for...

keep diggin republicans, keep diggin eventually you are gonna reach china

Your a funny guy. Just becuase your over there doesnt mean your getting the right info either.

WMD is a WMD. Doesnt matter when they were made. And yea the country is poor thats becuase saddam kept it for himself and his miltary to buy things from other countries (artillary and nuclear goods). He got rich off his oil and stealing from his people. Thats why the country was poor :stick:

ohhh baby the draft, glad i already put in my time! I don't ever wanna go back to that place...EVER

i'm too old anyways and i have flat stinky feet.. they would't want me anyways...

-E

too old huh...?

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/171...22_draft01.html

ok then, i guess i'm not too old, but i'm too stupid for them then, i have no special skills they would want....

-E

Quote (Lightning GSX, may 19, 2004, 11:23pm)
Why cant the Democrats just give us a point vs. blame Bush for everything that goes wrong in the war. They say they are generally not against it, but they just point fingers. Bunch of babies who are not helping. Bush is the only one doing something. In my view the democrats have been full of it ever since they lost election. Plus the media, why cant they just show positive stories and war efforts, or real facts vs. rumors or speculation. All it does is bring down the public understanding and moral attitudes.

haha nice, im just glad i put in my time, and if they do try that draft shit, then ill just reenlist and get guaranteed orders somewhere like the Twin Cities where I know I won't be deployed!

Too poor my fucking ass. They are an oil-rich nation, the difference is the government hoarded the money so the general populace is poor, but the leaders and military have tons of money. You do remember all the stories of Saddam and his sons diverting millions upon millions of dollars away in armored trucks, don't you?

Whining liberal democrats. :liar:

hey what ever happened to that money those soldiers found with saddam and what happened to saddam anyways?

Sadaam was turned over to the Red Cross once he was officially declared a POW.

You won't be able to run from this, did you read the article? The US has an agreement with Canada.

Okay Not to flame this up I agree with the war and taking car os buisness, but Republicanism does not favor middle class or lower class at all. And if any of you ever listen to Rush Limbau you would understand.
Quote from his show three days ago.
Rush. "So what is the price of gas now around 2 dollars a gallon? I think that high gas prices are helping Bush and he would be stupid to do anything about the price of gas."

Correct me if im wrong but the Bush family is into oil correct?

IMO with a republican economy there will after time be no middle class it will be the Super Rich and the poor. If your not rich republicanism helps you very little.
I am neither Republican or Democrat Both sides have their pro's and con's dont come down on what I said or get pissed just soak it in and think about it.


-joe

Im have not picked one either but out of the two at this time republican is what I would choose. As they have a clue on things and the democratic way is just to play the blame game and put shit off.

I think what Rush meant was that the gas prices helped Bush's Iraq effort out. It would help to justify us being over there and turning Iraq into a capitalist country, which should lower gas prices.

A projectile containing an entire liter of serin gas(I believe it was) is definately a WMD, regardless of its age.

I dont like to get into arguements about politics of religion for the simple fact is that these are topics that are best argued in person.

First off, sunny cancun here i come.

Second off, FUCK THE REPUBLICAN PARTY. They are a bunch of rich peices of shit that dont give a fuck about the masses except the masses of George Washingtons and Hamiltons in their pockets.
Did you guys ever sit back and think about the situation we are in. First there was George bush Sr that we went to war with because of, you guessed it... OIL. where did george bush get his original money... OIL. Bill Clinton comes to office, things are good, a little sexual affairs in the oval office but things were still good. 8 years later George Shaved (little bush) comes into office and we go to war once again for what... OIL. where did he get his money... lemme think... oh yeah, OIL. anybody else seeing a pattern.
WMD, there may be some, but lets see the UN come into the US and find some WMD. everyone knows we got em. hell we got em in minot, ND. HELLLLLLO NUKES.
I feel horrible for what happened on 9/11 but i have this feeling deep inside that bush was hopeing for something like this just to secure his future after losing this election. Face it guys, hes not gonna get it.
I dont consider myself Democrat or Republican, I vote for the one that is going to be the best man for the job, we are not talking about affirmative action. Bush, you should have never been president in the first place, gore had more total votes that should have been the decider. fuck the electoral college.
ive said my peace, if you instantly look at these statements and say "Fuck him hes wrong" read it again and ponder what i just said. the biggest thing you can do to make yourself choose the right man is educate yourself.
Tom

p.s LightningGSX what was your girl doing at court today, i say your car pull in and was like "what is he doing here?" then she stepped out. LOL

Read it a couple times like you said and most of its wrong... but whatever ;)

Oil isnt what we went over there for??????????? Otherwise uhhh gas would be cheaper!!

And dont get me started on Clinton seriously. He didnt do well and he didnt keep anything good, he did nothing which meant there was no war to take care of and there was nothing he did against terrorism. Basically nothing happened that was major so he just slacked and let the economy grow which isnt bad but he didnt do anything about terrorism and therefore right as he left Bush gets a big mess to clean up.

Peter, I want you to tell me what is wrong about the statements i made? cmon i dare ya. And if you seriously believe that we didnt go over there for oil, then WHAT THE FUCK did we go over there for. I bet more then half the soldiers over there dont know. letting the economy grow is better then letting it fucking drop. Bush has told us many lies and where is the "Im sorry everybody, I fucked up" speech. Clinton was looking for a peaceful solution to the situation by not starting a war the minute something goes bad.
Gas would not be cheaper, gas prices are determined by the situation. war times give reasons for increased prices because the government says we need oil so we will take it while we are over there, immediatly people think there is a shortage so oil companies see that and raise prices so that people continue to believe this. why do you think there has not been an alternative fuel put into production yet. The oil companies will SMASH any alternative fuels that hit the market because they own the cash crop that is more needed then ciggerettes.
Tom

I am not getting into this because no one is going to change anyones mind about their political views. I will stand by Bush and his decisions and the republican party as my choice.

Tom, you know the saying: "Its better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt" - You have never learned this and actually take it a few steps further. You may as well get on a loudspeaker or maybe the public airwaves and just proclaim to be an idiot. You can't seem to form a sentence without using some explative or ripping on someones belief, but then the first comment someone makes that isn't in alignment with your beliefs, you spaz and the idiot in you comes out to the fullest.

The war for oil thing is nothing but BS.A relatively small(15-20% IIRC) amount of our oil comes from the middle east, and an even smaller percent of that comes from Iraq.Hardly enough to justify a war, even with Bush's mentality.Japan is really the only nation dependent on middle eastern oil, I wonder what their gas prices are these days?

As far as the political parties, neither really cares about the middle(working) class.Most of these politicians haven't worked a hard days work in their lives, and if they have, its been so long the can't even identify with it anymore.Bush is not the best president, but I'd hate to see where we would be if Gore was president.And Kerry, you think shit sucks now, wait till you see the cluster fuck Kerry creates if he is elected.

Correct, it was a device containing Sarin.

E85 is an alternative fuel, its made almost entirely from biomass, such as american corn.Its catching on too, more and more vehicles are coming equipped to use it.Its anywhere from 95 to 105 octane(depending on the season), and last I checked, its about 20 cents a gallon cheaper than 87 unleaded.

She was paying her fine for selling cigarettes to a minor at her old job.Like $300 I think it was, pretty gay.

Quote (tpunx99gsx, may 20 2004, 10:40pm)

I am not going to attack what you said no matter how irrational it sounds. At least you are sticking your head out and speaking. I like to talk allot as well. I will say that it is not about educating yourself about the man. Its about understanding the difference between the two parties and their administration. If we change the way the war is managed or take Bush out of office we will lose. If I may give an implied comparison, its like driving your mitsubishi gsx and suddenly you turn your car over to someone who misses the gears, drives the car recklessly and basically ruins the engine because he or she does not understand how to take care of the machine or the suttle keys to successfully driving the car. I have for the most part been a republican, but here is my full view. Liberals are the best, No conservitives are the true leaders. The fact is both are needed to keep capitalism, law and foriegn policy just right. Too much liberal-government control and the western economy falls apart, too much conservitive-government control and the poorest workers revolt and the west becomes unstable. Law, too conservitive and people start to get a little rioty and angry, too liberal and nothing gets done. That is the strength of the west, it doesn't lay in america's democracy, canada's neutrality, or north america's people. The real thing that makes us great is the fact we have both liberal and conservitive aspects of government and that is what let us beat the fascists, communists and what will let us beat the fundementalists. Why preach total liberal philosphy, when both are needed to keep the world afloat? Total rule of either the right or left would destroy the delicite balance between what the society wants and what the individual wants. The heated debates, the impassioned speachs, the cut-throat nature of politics, these are all making us move more and more into our respected sides (either far right or left) and we are losing our integrity to stay together. Politics are irrelevant, the liberals will win one year, but the conservitives the year after that, the constant shift of power makes it illogical to fight so fiercely for unifrom beliefs, especially considering they are both critical to our survival.

Purity is the one thing Hitler wanted, but in fact it is centralization and uncleanlyness that keeps us strong.

Lets lay off the political bong for a while, its just going to ruin our vision of the real reason we have politics the way we do, and the true intentions of our democracy

I find it ironic that some of you are whining that we're fighting for oil. Regardless if that is the true motive or not, isn't this a car board? I would think all of you in particular would want your share.

First off, I support Bush and his efforts to the fullest extent. Though I am not excited about getting drafted or losing family members to war, I believe that both standing by your country's leader and fighting for your nation are important.
Something Tom and others may not comprehend is that everything we see on TV, read in the newspaper, and view online is being produced by THE PRESS or opinionated individuals. And though we all want to be up-to-date on the news, it's simply not going to happen. I am positive there is plenty of information the government doesn't let the general public know. For instance what Lightning started this topic for... we are finally learning the cause for the effect. The press is very good at construing information to make it "appealing", or misinforming the public with political gossip. They're in it for money, and though I try to keep up on the news, when it comes to this stuff I take it with a grain of salt.

Go ahead and point the finger at Bush for "starting a war", but when it comes down to it, I recall a couple of planes crashing into a building as the beginning of it all. The fact is, Bush knows that inside info the press can't dig up. You may not agree with his efforts, but maybe there comes a time when citizens need to use something called "faith". I guarantee you the president has a better idea of what's best to do than all of us. Support our government--if you're not a part of the solution, you're part of the problem.

The really big thing everybody forgets is that the President does not have total control over the government. Congress decides most of what happens when it comes to laws and things, the President is mostly a spokes person to take the blame and the credit. Bush is doing a good job considering how the economy slowed greatly after 911. Thank God it's not Gore in office. And we better all hope John Kerry doesn't get in, how much more tax can you afford to pay?

the draft comes into play just smoke dope and lots of it they wont want a stoner