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very well written about Julian Assange.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jim-mo...rm=Daily+Brief

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So true.

I can't help but think of this...

http://moviesmedia.ign.com/movies/im...1085724795.jpg

Unfortunately, the majority of our society has their head in the clouds. The chance of bringing accountability to our government is quickly vanishing.

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While it may seem that way, as long as people realise that wikileaks, Project DotP2P, the pirate bay, and others are not evil organizations trying to get something for nothing, but just stick up for our rights as human beings to be able to question our government and gain the information to form a proper opinion about government actions.
It seems there will always be a group of people that will fight for your freedoms, regardless of whether you want them to, yet you will also always find the people that call these people Criminals and Terrorists (i am willing to bet the gov will end up calling Assange a Terrorist before xmas.)

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It's funny you posted that because Anon is backing up Wikileaks with hacker support

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Tom - Did you just really compare Assange to TPB? One site that allows people to download music and movies, and another site that is leaking classified government information? Umm.. ok.

While I agree with the statements made by others saying its good to know what our government is doing, it is NOT good to allow our enemies - both foreign and domestic - to know what we know and what we are doing. That is just giving them an upper hand.

I wouldn't go as far as to call him a terrorist, but being in possession of illegally obtained, classified govt information clearly makes me a criminal. What if someone from the Taliban or North Korea hacked into a computer and stole this same information? Would you be praising them too?

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+1.

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Agree with Pete, theres a difference between what should be said and by who. For example Tom, its not my place to tell everyone you like it in the butt.

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The comparison of Assange and TPB are actually very similar. It comes down to Censorship and regulation of OTHER countries people that do not live in the US. Not obiding by that countries laws and soveriegnty. TPB does not host any illegal movies or music on their servers, but simply host a file/database that tells the program where to look for files on other computers that are willingly sharing, this is not against the law in SWEDEN. Just like Wikileaks is not against the law in France where it is hosted. You cannot impose US Law on another country. Just like you SHOULDNT be able to impose US Regulation on the Internet to Censor where people look for information (dotP2P project will hopefully correct this).
The information was not illegally obtained BY Wikileaks, but given to wikileaks by a source, anonymously, Wikileaks just presented it to the people so they know what their government is doing. The same thing is done when a source goes to a media outlet for a breaking story. Wikileaks is not targeting the US, they have released information about many other countrys including China, and Iceland.
Its not like they are giving out battle formations and locations/names of 007 spys. We are talking about videos and information such as the video of the US killing the reuters reporters via helicoper, which shed light that we seem to be blowing anyone away gathering in a group of more than three people.

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Ah Tom and his blinders at it again.

Answer my damn question - What if someone from the Taliban or North Korea hacked into a computer and stole this same information? Would you be praising them too?

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What kind of question is that? You act like it hasnt already happend? You dont think north korea has GOVERNMENT employed hackers. http://www.wired.com/politics/law/news/2003/06/59043

Let me pose a question for you, Do you think we should get rid of freedom of speech, so that people cannot say bad thing about the government?
Do you think we should get rid of the right to bare arms? People use guns to kill people in this country every year.
We have a right to know what is going on with the people we have elected, but like every freedom we possess there are consequences should the information of freedom fall into the wrong hands.
Sorry but the question you asked cannot be answered with a simple yes or no.

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Also, the Taliban have only one computer, And they are still trying to beat solitaire.

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I do like the message in that article.

Not to go on a tangent, but something I think about is the video you spoke of. It's sad to see that. It'd be equally sad to hear that if those were actual enemies, and they shot down the helicopter and killed our troops simply because they couldn't fire because of some rule of engagement. It's a tricky line, sucks for both sides :( And also, the massive amount of cameras, and video cameras, in my opinion now simply shed light and let the everyday person see what happens. Not that it is anything new, but the fact that everyone and their mom have video cameras on their cell phones makes it so people actually see what happens, where-as before similar things more than likely took place but the old Polaroid wasn't quick enough back then to capture it for everyone to see.

Anyhow, interesting stuff. G'bye :)

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There wouldn't be people like assange if our gov't didn't do so much shady shit.

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This ^^^


,.................... and now back to wearing my tin-foil hat.

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I'm in support of him for the most part.

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LOL at trumped up "Sex By Surprise" allegations. Hell i had sex with Matt on the cruise, and im pretty sure it was a surprize for him! hahahah

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You, Febo and goodhart. It was quite surprising.

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I've tried pretty hard to stay away from this sub-forum but then I see Assange brought up and I have to say something.

No I did not read the article originally posted in this thread, instead my info comes from CNN and NPR.

What Assange has done is not acceptable. I do not care how paranoid you are of your government or how much "shady shit" they do you simply do not have the right to know everything.

There are very real world consequences to what has happened here. This WILL hurt America no matter how you slice it. It is going to make the task of obtaining information vital to the successes of the American government that much harder to get due to information lock down. This will lead to a higher failure rate in diplomatic proceedings, which in turn HURTS AMERICA.

This lock down is going to come about both internally in our government as well as externally with what other diplomats around the world are willing to say in front of our diplomats.

We all have private lives on this forum. But imagine if say I for instance could get all the information I wanted to about everyone on this forum, and then hosted all of their dirty laundry regardless of what it contained. Would you really want your entire private life exposed for all to see all across the internet? No you wouldn't and you would then clam up, and make it even harder for anyone to get into your life, and to what effect? Not any good effect thats for sure.

Dirty laundry needs to stay in the hamper where it belongs, not airing out for the public to see. Assange needs to be brought to justice on this.

Do I believe in free speech? Yes. But do I believe that everyone deserves a seat at the free speech table? Fuck no! This table needs to be reserved for those that won't abuse it to spread CLASSIFIED and SECRET information to the world. This shit is CLASSIFIED for a reason people, this shit is SECRET for a reason. You want access to this shit, serve your country and get the proper clearances.

This is real life. Not some Tom Clancy novel.

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The whole thing smells like a trap to get government control and regulation of the internet.

Gov. Mike Huckabee said:
“If we want to keep our nation’s secrets ‘SECRET,’ store them where President Obama stores his college transcripts and birth certificate.”

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If people would stop pulling this kind of crap we wouldn't have to worry about it.

However, people do in fact do this stupid crap. So yes, the government probably will make a move now to attempt to control the internet due to this and we will have no one to blame except for Pvt. Manning and Julian Assange.

Do I agree with this move to control the internet. No. I really don't. I like my free movies and music just as much as anyone else. But can I see the reasons for it? Yes I can.

Welcome to the new internet that Julian Assange helped forge. He wanted to make America look bad, and he will succeed.

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You really think a "private" had access to top level secret documents? A PRIVATE!!! You really think the government doesn't know by who and when those documents are accessed from government servers? You really think Prvt Manning could pull 250,000 top secret documents without proper clearance and there not be a military shit storm brought down on him before he walk out with them?

This will be their reason to push for FCC control of the internet just like 911 was used to pass the Patriot Act, which has already taken away some of your privacy and freedoms, to get more control of you. Kinda neat how when the government wants control of you or something else, all they have to do is have something major happen related to it at the "right" time. Almost like it's planned that way isn't it?

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Uhm.... Yeah. Privates can be granted Top Secret clearance, especially if they are working as intel analysts like Pvt. Manning was. Soooo I don't really see your point here anymore. I was granted Secret clearance as a Pfc in the Marines, and I was just a mechanic. So this is not as far fetched as you seem to think.

Also, I'm sorry. But I have yet to see how the Patriot Act actually has affected me in any way shape or form.

You should be more scared about the new Xbox Kinect which uses real cameras that see into your living room. Cameras that Microsoft has already had talks about using to direct marekting efforts based on what marketing professionals see in your living room while you are playing the game.

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My point is that this is all a little too convenient. Wouldn't you agree?

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It very well could be. But again, Assange was the one who finally pulled the trigger on this. No matter how he got the information, he was the one that wanted to make our government look bad and now he is going to get his way.

Also unfortuneatley for all of us our politicians in office care more about doing what will get them re-elected versus doing what is best for America and the people. So that means that because they want their privacy to back stab each other, we will again suffer the consequences of "politics as usual"

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I don't think it's an issue of our government looking bad, they've looked bad for a very long time, at least for me they have. For those who have thought that way, they now have proof they were right.

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I will agree with that. Our government has been a sorry sight for many, many years. From both the presidents we have had in office as all as with the representatives that have been elected.

Really, we need to truly get rid of partisan politics, and just have people politics. Politicians focused on taking care of the people, not their associated political parties. But that is vastly off topic from this thread.

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Ryder, well done. Very well spoken points, and I agree with you 100%.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDp1izlMQT0&hd=1

Simply brilliant!!!!!

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But Ron Paul is a nutjob! :hah:

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Funny that as time goes on, he doesn't look so crazy anymore.:spin: