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Anthony Weiner
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4zwCMf8dsc

And by the way, When republicans want a fucking amendment so that people WHO SAVED AMERICANS LIVES, who arent citizens will be denied coverage under this act, that doesnt make them good politicians... THAT MAKES THEM ASSHOLES! These people are HEROS, regardless of their citizenship. I am glad that i saw this, because it reaffirmed my belief that ALL republican politicians are inhumane ASSHOLES.
Who supports these guys? oh yeah, most of the people that post in the politics forum.

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See Tom, you're just listening to the left wing spin machine. The real issue was about how to fund the bill, not turning down the bill. Republicans said they want to know where the funds are coming from before they vote to pass it. Remember "PayGo" that Obama Inc signed into law, that has yet to be enforced ONCE since being signed.

Why has everybody seemed to have forgotten the same people who are ill carried state and government sponsored heath care along with full workers comp which will take care of them. So what's the additional money for?

So get your facts straight before you pop a blood vessel.

BTW, Anthony Weinerupomyass is about as relevant as Whoppy Goldberg on your favorite show, The View.

BTW, BTW, Democrats voted against it also, so how can you blame the Republicans?

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This bill is for 1st responders yes? How many Firemen and police do you really think are illegal?

Amendments are a part of our system and they keep power in check (loosely). Without amendments we would get nothing done in DC or our own states.

If the Democrats wanted this bill passed they wouldn't have made it need a 2/3 majority. The only reason they did is so they can make the Republicans look like the bad guy right before the elections.

Both parties are crooks and have forgotten who they work for.

92% of the people in this country are sheep, 3% rule us, 2% want to destroy us and the last 3% are waiting for the turning point.

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Exactly. There are things in the bill they didn't want to debate on, that's another reason why they went the 2/3rds route.

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They didnt want the republicans trying to put in an ammendment NOT allowing coverage for first responders that were illegal immegrants. It wasnt about that money as it should NOT be about the money when it comes to those who put their health at risk to save people from the rubble.
So your telling me, that you dont want a mosque on ground zero, because it would be unpatriotic, yet the heros that risked their lives to help the victims can go to hell with their illnesses because we cant pay for it. Do you realise how stupid you both sound?
"First reponders - The term 'first responder' refers to those individuals who in the early stages of an incident are responsible for the protection and preservation of life, property, evidence, and the environment, including emergency response providers as defined in section 2 of the Homeland Security Act of 2002 (6 U.S.C. 101), as well as emergency management, public health, clinical care, public works, and other skilled support personnel (such as equipment operators) that provide immediate support services during prevention, response, and recovery operations."
PUBLIC AGENCIES and PRIVATE AGENCIES and GOVERNMENT AGENCIES
Fire Departments Law Enforcement Hospitals
Public Works / Utilities Public Health Venue Security
Private EMS / Ambulance Emergency Management Clinics
Port Security School Security Tribal Services
Transportation Response Volunteers

Why would the republicans want to ammend giving coverage to everyone that responded to that?

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I will ask you again Tom. How many of these 1st responders do you actually think are illegall? The goverment requires more paperwork and background checks then any other employer. If they used false identification papers to get hired then it is a federal offense and they should be arrested, serve their time, then be deported.

So let me get this straight, your democrats said to hell with the 99% of the hero's who need our help because they want to push for help for the maybe 1% that shouldn't be here in the 1st place?
Sounds about right doesn't it






And why are you bringing the Ground zero mosque into this? And where have I said I don't want that?

There is already a mosque with the same radical preacher 12 blocks from Ground zero which is pretty close already.

I think we should let them build a mosque and then build an even bigger Jewish temple right next door :D But that's getting off topic.

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Anthony Weiner makes me giggle.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,593183,00.html

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It's ok, because Tom is believing what they told him to believe.

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_Zn5uDOE-S5Q/TC...3331303030.jpg

So Tom, again, why did the dems use the 2/3rds voting proceedure? You stated above that is was so the republicans couldn't insert an amendment to cover illegals??? Just want to make sure I understood you correctly. Sounds really fishy that the dems didn't want the republicans trying to add an amendment that WOULD HELP illegals!?!?!?!?! I sure would have thought the dems would love that idea since they are such humanitarians and always looking out for the poor little guy, regardless of race, religion, legal citizen or not???

All government first responders carry full health care coverage and workers comp. Anybody who was an innocent bystander who is ill now falls under the GREAT BIG OL' MULTI BILLION DOLLAR SETTLEMENT AND INSURANCE POLICY that Mr Silversteen had on the property for terrorist attacks. Or did you forget about that too?

It's been nine years now. Tom are you really trying to convince us that with all those New York lawyers that there are really any victims who are not getting taken care of??? Open yours eyes.

This whole issue is nothing more than political games being played by the dems. Why??? BECAUSE COME NOVEMBER THEIR GETTING THEIR CLOCKS CLEANED!!! THAT'S WHY!!!

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Well look at it this way... If there isnt any in the first place, then why would the republicans even put that out there? Its for the slim chance that a HERO just happened to be an illegal immegrant. 9/11 was about more than just terrorists driving airplanes into the towers, it showed the world that when tradgedy strikes, we can come together as HUMANS and help out our fellow man. Volunteers were part of those first responders, people who traveled towards ground zero to help out any way they could. First responders covers all of the people that came out to help in any way they could.
So tell me, why does it matter what country a person is a citizen of, when they help save the lives of an american? Dont we want more people like this in our country? A lot of these people are getting denied claims by their insurance companies because they werent part of the paramedics, or firemen, or police officers, all they wanted to do is help, and yet our government cant simply give them medical attention because the republicans wanted to ammend this to make some heros, not heros at all based on their citizenship.
This bill could have easily passed! but the Democrats were in a hard position either way, Go for the majority vote and have it watered down and delayed even more, or stick it through as is, not watered down and hope the republicans get over the politics and pass some GOOD legislation. its a damn shame.

VICIOUS- The ammendment would make the bill NOT cover illegals. Learn the facts before you post.

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Let me get this straight... You are swinging from Anthony Weiner's nuts over this because he's calling out republicans for sticking to their guns, yet you are absolutely hell bent on defending the democrats. Pot, meet kettle. Welcome to bipartisan politics. :)

Now you can see why I claim no affiliation with either party.

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Question for you guys:
The president (any U.S. President, doesnt even have to be obama) is having a strolll down the street, he is crossing the street and a car that wasnt paying attention is aimed right at him about to hit him when an on looking bystander pushes the president out of the way just in time, but gets hit by the car and is severely injured.
Is this man a Hero?

Come to find out that this person is actually not a citizen of the United States. Is this man now a Villain?

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As the law of the land would have it, yes.

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I was going by what you said and questioning it. So learn how to post what you mean so you won't get called out on it again.

Trust me, those lawyers are getting those people taken care of. As for illegal, not illegal, it's a tough call. If you aren't supposed to be here, but you are, and you get hurt, you kinda take your own chances if you get hurt. This reminds me of the guy who breaks into your house, trips over one of your kids toys, gets hurt and sues you, the home owner.

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This is a trick question. Because I'm gonna tell you it really depends on which president we're talking about.

Let me know when you find the guy that swatted the planes off course and saved the towers. Oh wait, he moved the towers just in time to have the planes miss, too bad they fell after.

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For you, hmmm... say it was ronald reagan or george bush (either one).

I did find the guy, or guys. remember the airplane that crashed in the field instead of into the white house... yeah those people.

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thats a very sad statement. I truely feel bad for you matt.

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Actually, their not. Read up on it. Its highly interesting how these HEROs are being sued by insurance companies to pay for medical bills for respitory illnesses that they recieved in the line of duty, and are being denied claims left and right.

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Do you? That's unfortunate. I feel bad for you for having more concern over giving handouts to those who don't deserve it rather than caring about this country's sovereignty.

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A handout, just like how the "illegal" first responders handed out their health to help a fellow man in trouble. Very sensitive matt.

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Were they not here in the first place, or here legally, this discussion wouldn't be occurring.

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This...
...and this.

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How many "Illegal" paramedics are there? Please find ONE..

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Ok let me pose another question for you all.
If you go to another country, say England, you witness a terrorist bombing. You decide you want to help and run towards the rubble to see if there are people that need your help. You end up helping a lot of people get out alive. Then you go back to your home country and develop an illness that is in direct relation to your heroics. But when you go and make a claim on your super awesome private insurance, they deny the claim due to the fact you were not in the country at the time. The government of the US cannot help you because you were not on their turf. What would you do? The bills start piling up, you cant go to work because your so sick that your hospitalized. The English government sets up a fund to help the people who provided effort so save the lives of the english citizens... but in the small print it says "Citizens only, no immegrants". Being that you are not a citizen, you get no coverage... How is this fair again? because thats whats happening.

And by the way, this is why the money is not an issue with this.

"The bill would pay for itself by closing a tax loophole on foreign companies with U.S. subsidiaries. Republicans say it creates a new entitlement and wastes taxpayer dollars. "The bill, if passed, would reopen the Victims Compensation Fund until 2031 - instead of litigation, victims could try to get money from the fund" (Sherman, 7/28). "

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Off hand, i cant. But maybe you should ask the republicans that voted nay, how many their are and why this even needs to be ammended in this way.

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So you're mad the republicans closed a loop-hole that most likely wouldn't be exploited, yet as always, there is a slight chance it could? If you ask me, they just did their due diligence.

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Wrong, this is not what's happening. These people you want to get help are not going home to Mexico and being denied by their super awesome private insurance. They want medical help here, from this country, which they are not a citizen of. Again, you are making up outlandish examples and twisting words to fill your desire.

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Ok, Examples aside, How do you define a hero? do they have to be american to be a hero?
Honestly, the fact that the conservatives get so up in arms about 9/11 and getting the assholes that did this, im truely surprized that they would shit on the people that were HELPING out during the crisis. It makes you (conservatives) look like assholes, not patriots. I cant wait until november when the conservatives get pummeled at the election, then they can whine for two more years.

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LOL. This whole thing is about the election, and I really doubt Obama will be back in.


We're such ass holes. Can I have all my money back now?

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:lol:


You crack me up Tom

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Let me pose a question for you all:

Can somebody get this bleeding heart liberal a glass of milk and some cookies so he'll stop whining?

Geez, Liberalism works!!!! Until you run out of other people's money!!!! And we are out!!!!

Let their home country do the right thing and prop up and support their fallen heroes in the name of their country. Because until they are legal here, they are not a member of ours!!!!

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What does being a hero have to do with anything? They were here illegally any way you look at it, no matter what good or bad they have done, no matter what you want to call them. Even you yourself can not deny that. If you do then maybe you should look again at the very laws you want to get rid of.
It's time you learn to call things what they are. Illegal is illegal, this country needs to stop turning a cheek to things that are wrong because a small fraction of it MAY be right.
Wait, what? I'm glad you lump your opposition into one group when the entire thing is a failure.

http://www.pollingreport.com/images/CBS100621.GIFhttp://www.pollingreport.com/images/APbars.GIFhttp://www.pollingreport.com/images/McCbars.GIF
http://www.pollingreport.com/images/Gcong.GIF

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How dare you bring facts into this. Now Tom's gonna want double chocolate chunk cookies and that shit cost money we don't have!!!!

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More proof that the entire system is in disarray.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCG1PD4cirE&hd=1

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I just can't believe that Tom is sticking up for the mythical hero in this case. I thought all you lefties believe that we brought this on ourselves by way of our tyrannical aggression and dominance to the peaceful middle east and we simply got our just reward for such. In which case there are no heros, just racist, white homophobic executives living in the suburbs who are intolerant to the greater good of the world.

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:rollinglaugh::rollinglaugh::rollinglaugh:

BTW, was Tom the flight attendant? :spin:

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That's because Tom thinks we're playing with mythical money. It just falls out of the sky. :lol: