e85 question
 

well i was jst wondering i guess what you think would be better

set up 1:
e316g
evo 9 pump
560
maft blowthrew
tuned on 93oct
at 21psi

setup 2:
e316g
not sure what pump
780cc injectors
maft blowthrew set for 550cc and finish tune with safc2
on e85
not sure what boost


i want to know how much hp i would probably get out of each set up and which one you think would run better, turbo is already in thats not gonna change maft blowthrew is already in and not gonna change other than that, no dsmlink lol cant afford it

Re: e85 question
 

Do you have a FMIC? For a pump I would just go with a Walbro 255HP.

Not real sure how well the MAF-T and SAFC II would be for tuning, probably not ideal, that's for sure. I would go with a $10 chip from Shane with a custom dyno tune on it. Getting dyno tuned is the only way to go, especially if you're not real sure at what you're doing when it comes to street tuning. That way you could sell the MAF-T/SAFC to help pay for the tune. :D

Re: e85 question
 

well i want the maft for the blow threw because my 16g spools to full boost by 3k no bs and i like my bov =)
i guess i know 780cc will work, but i dont know what my limit to boost would be then idk if i would gain any benifits over the 560's on 93 =/ i mean i know nothing about e85 except it takes mre to make the same power with no knock
and im on stock smic

Re: e85 question
 

Honestly the two setups seem quite a bit different. Just do it right and do it once.

Sell the MAF-T and use the money towards DSMLink :) I had maf-t on two of my cars, and it is nice, but DSMLink is way nicer.

Evo9 pump is fine unless you're gonna rock E85, then you'll need a walbro255.

Evo560's will be plenty if you stay on pump, otherwise 780's might be a tish small for E85, 880's should be good.

Either way, get it tuned for the best results. Make an appointment with shane, trust me :)

Re: e85 question
 

I'm no expert here, but I'm not sure MAF Translators are exactly known for being used to decrease spool time. It's not like a E316g has any lag anyways.

As for the mAd TytE BOV sound, whatever floats your boat man, I would rather have a Shane tune and quieter BOV if I was on a budget I guess...

Re: e85 question
 

I smell ricey BS.

I had a response typed then caught u have a SMIC. I doubt you will be getting to 21psi on a SMIC at least happily.

The SMIC would be alright on E85.
You could always sell your sweet MAFT, but it seems like you like your awesome sounding BOV.

Re: e85 question
 

treed.

lol spool time on a 16G.

Re: e85 question
 

so how about this? chip tune for 880's? what kinda boost we talkin?will i need arp studs? i got bc 272cams pot polished head bc springs, retainers ect built head basikly stock 1g rods wescion pistons

Re: e85 question
 

and right now im runing stock boost, but creep bad up to like 15+

Re: e85 question
 

I'm lost.

Re: e85 question
 

x2

i'm sure you can easily boost 15psi...... .. ... .tuning is your friend

Re: e85 question
 

Stock SMIC + 16G + Pump Gas = lots of knock

Re: e85 question
 

i think from what I'm reading, your mod list should be this(?):

- e316g
- 272s
- 780cc
- fmic
- manual boost controller
- e85
- 255 fuel pump
- tuning tuning tuning.
- should definitely be more than safe @ 15psi.

Re: e85 question
 

What about 21

Re: e85 question
 

I have had SMIC 16G pump gas cars that we couldn't safely run over 13psi on. A good tuning system that can control timing will greatly increase your chances of being able to run higher boost on pump gas. The stock 1G timing maps are too much for decent amounts of boost on pump gas an using a tuning system like an SAFC, MAFT or VPC that just tricks the ECU via the airflow signal, they also makes things even worse by adding timing if you lean out the mixture. If you richen the mixture, then you hit fuel cut.

I did one SAFC E85 car with a 16G and stock SMIC that we were able to get up to 20psi before we ran into too much knock and had to stop there(the SAFC was making it add all kinds of timing). I tuned CVDs Colt the other day with a 16G and stock DSM SMIC on E85 and we were able to run something like 26 or 27psi, but we had full control of everything using EPROM tuning and could keep the timing in check.

Re: e85 question
 

it's always not about the boost.

Re: e85 question
 

Well what would you suguest then? I think I'm gonna have shane at db tune me on e85 and 780cc but what else you think I need walbro 225

Re: e85 question
 

two posts up, ecoli = Shane. read closely, do whatever he says and exactly what he says, and you'll be in good shape :)

Re: e85 question
 

Do some searching and dont be cheap!

Re: e85 question
 

And this is my current mod list that is alrready in my car
E316g
Bc272
Maft blowthrew setup
Stock boost
Built head
Mbc
Boost gauge

Re: e85 question
 

x2

what's your hp goal?

Re: e85 question
 

That is easily one of the most confused mods lists evar.

Re: e85 question
 

Your most likely going to hit fuel cut with those injectors... but 21psi might be doable... being that your running e85 the timing isn't so bad, its still a little high. I ran 30psi with a SAFC and 1000cc pte's with no knock, but I also had a FMIC and I retarded the stock timing 3 degrees... Defiantly not ideal but it did work.

I think that 780cc injectors are on the small side for a e16g, while you might be okay at 21psi, its best to get some sort of setup that you can monitor the knock so you know for sure. The chipped cars I see usually use the stock boost gauge to display knock, which is nice... otherwise get a pocket logger if your really cheap.

Re: e85 question
 

How do you set that up?! And I want to use a chip so this is what I'm thinking maybe?

Walbro 225
1000cc injectors
And idk what for boost
my hp I would like to get 300 at least

Re: e85 question
 

let me get your mod list straight because your mods are sort of confusing.

- e316g
- 272s
- 1000cc
- fmic
- manual boost controller
- e85
- 255 fuel pump
- 23psi
- DSMLink
- tuning tuning

I think you should get DSMLink. If I were investing this much into e85, it's best to do it the right way other then getting issues doing it the wrong way, probably just shoot Ecoli (shane) a PM. You can run with the safc but it's very limited in tuning. I was in the same spot about e85 and I'd rather just modify it more safely/properly because if you do it the 'cheaper' way, it will work but it won't be running at it's full potential. I'm assuming with e85+e316g+272s+255+fmic+dsmlink+tune= close to 300awhp

Re: e85 question
 

Dude, with that setup he'd easily be looking at over 300whp. He'd be around 350whp. If he maxed out the setup he'd be looking at around 400whp.

Re: e85 question
 

Im wanting to know if the OP has read anyones response to this thread lol. Lots of good info. To the OP you need to read read read, talk with shane about your goals potential mods, and whatnot.

Re: e85 question
 

Yeah there's lots of good info I'm getting and I'm convinced to switch to dsmlink, I think lol
this is what I'm going to do then,
Wally 225 -50$ used
dsmlink v3 lite-345 new
1000cc injectors- no clue on price
take it to db and call it a day!( am I missing anything?)

Re: e85 question
 

Nos...lol. jus kiddin. let us know how this goes. 300awhp is pretty fun...even though i havent driven a 300awhp 1g yet. I'm guessing I'm around the 220-230awhp at DB right now... I'm positive that extra 70+whp gain can be done easily with 272s, e85, dsmlink+tune and bigger injectors. just thinking about the 300awhp mark is making me smile :D

Re: e85 question
 

The injectors will run you around 300ish give or take what brand you buy

Re: e85 question
 

Alright what about a used set?

Re: e85 question
 

http://www.advancedfuelinjection.net

They have the 'modified spray pattern' 1050's for $269, 1000's for $249, or if you're never going to get a bigger turbo you can just go with 850's for only $230 (not really worth it for the small price difference).

Re: e85 question
 

I'm hoping shane will pop in and tell me what I should look for lol

Re: e85 question
 

go with the 1000's you wont be disapointed. Im running a set of PTE 1000's in the evo. they work great! 1000's usually dont max until around 400ish whp.

Re: e85 question
 

Alright I'm on the look out for 1000's

Re: e85 question
 

I was at over 400awhp (dynojet) with RC750's; just find whatever is the best deal (850+ probably). 1000's or bigger should be good if you ever plan to do a slight turbo upgrade though.

Re: e85 question
 

were you on e85? mod list? whats you idc%?

Re: e85 question
 

Yeah E85. IDC doesn't mean shit IMO so I don't really pay attention to it; I richen my tune to see if I still have injector left. (mods list: http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/memb...ner-39186.html)

My hp is at a pretty low RPM, if you have more power at a higher RPM you should need slightly bigger injectors since the injectors have less time to be open.

Re: e85 question
 

Just note that holding the injectors wide open is not good for them, which starts happening after 100% IDC. But it does work.

Re: e85 question
 

how much boost are you running and what pump do you have? is this a track car or dd if its dd what kinda mpg do you get? and i wold like to know your idc% please? =)