Arizona Immigration Law
 

Thoughts?

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Me gusta.

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Love it.

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I believe they are on the right track.

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Part of me loves it but part of me doesn't

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Agreed. It's not perfect, but definitely a step in the right direction

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Arazona what? Post more info instead of vague posts, this section is gonna be a CF enough as it is.

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You either know (by paying attention to news) or you don't. Those that don't know shouldn't post. Just my opinion.

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This along with BP's oil rig have been top national news stories lately (AZ immigration for over a month now and the BP oil spill for 2 weeks or so).

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Its the right idea, but wrongly applied. They are singling out mexicans.. which sure it makes sense in this application but how can you tell they are illegal or not? Its profiling.

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Here you go: http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE63I6TU20100419

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Nice to see Arizona is standing tough in what they believe in: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010...yback-boycott/

All these "boycotts" are just ridiculous. One group is calling for a boycott of Frito Lays because they sponsor a college football bowl game held in Arizona; they're sponsoring a game, not state law!

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Goddamn I didn't realize people/companies were boycotting AZ. What a fucking joke. Racial profiling, yes that's kinda the point! As long as the police are respectful about it....oh wait.

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Of course it's profiling. The last time I checked Mexico is the only country that borders Arizona. I just checked again and, yes, still the only country that shares that border. If Mexicans want to come here so bad they can come here legally like everyone else. We turn back Cubans that come on makeshift boats, people get sent back from Asia and Europe if they plan to just walk in without a visa or any legal documentation, but the moment we target Mexicans it's as if we're committing some sort of crime.
Just goes to show how clueless people are.

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Oklahoma wants to adopt this awesome law too.

Like I don't get pulled over enough already. I'm down with keeping useless immigrants out, but thats like saying lets rid MN of all the swedes, guess who is going to get pulled over then.

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If you are here legally then I don't see what the problem is.

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I dunno but if I were legal and looked mexican and I got stopped every other day to check if im legal or not, Id probably get pissed.

The profiling thing kinda bugs me, even though there really is no way around it. We need to control our borders more, it should be on a federal level, not just a state level.

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That's just it. The border patrol deal put in place by federal government isn't doing much good so the state stepped up to the plate and did something about it.

Once the border is sealed up and illegal immigration laws are tightened then the amount of illegal immigrants in the country will go down. We need to stop the bleeding before fighting the infection.

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I love what Arizona is doing. This may be out there but I believe one of the reasons construction workers dont get paid the best is because we have so many illegals workin for so damn cheap. They would eventually bring this country down.

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Screw California. Let em live in the dark.

As for the actual law, I'm 2-sided on it simply because I lived in AZ and have seen the negative effects of illegal immigration, but have also been close to good families that have a person that is there illegally. My ex-g/f's father is a hard working man who picks cabbage in San Luis. He is a kind man, who doesn't have much but provides for his wife and 2 daughters as best he can, and doesn't cause drama. Although yes I agree it's wrong he came here illegally, I can forsee the detriment it would cause to that family and him if he got taken away after living here for so long.

I personally think that law enforcement won't use this new law in the way that places like California think. I see it as a tool that is in their back pocket to use now, when appropriate. I don't think every Mexican is going to get constantly questioned all the time now. I guess I see it as a tool, just like how cops pull people over for a "probable cause" violation when they suspect someone is driving drunk. They can't pull you over just for suspecting you're drunk, they have to have a lawful reason to pull you over like a marker light burnt out or something. Doesn't mean they pull everyone over just because you have a marker light out, but the law is there for them to use it if they need to.
If there's a bunch of gangbanger guys that are always in the yard, scaring the neighbors and the police suspect they are illegal and suspect foul play, but the police can never pin anything down on them making it so their hands are tied. Well hey now they have a "tool" that allows them to approach and question them now. Doesn't mean that any mexican just out moving his sprinklers are going to be questioned (I hope).

If they use this new law to start constantly harrassing anyone who looks mexican, well then I don't think that is a good thing. If they just use it as a tool and use it wisely to help clean things up, then I do think it will help.

Just my 2 cents.

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Unfortunately that's a double-edged sword. As labor costs in one industry go up the consumer prices in others will soon follow. I do agree with Brandon in the fact that many illegals are here doing very good for society and their families, but at the same time they're not paying taxes like a legal citizen and they become a drain on the taxpayers. There needs to be a better system for keeping these hard-working individuals in the country while keeping them from becoming a burden on society; how is obviously the biggest question.

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Yep I completely agree that they do cause a drain on taxpayers. That's why I say I'm kind of 2-sided on it all, because I see both sides, and it all just sucks, haha.

What if along with this law, AZ also dropped state taxes, and instead just upped sales tax or whatever. I'm pretty sure there are other states that do not have state taxes and just up other taxes to offset not having a state tax. That way not just the illegals, but EVERYONE is not paying some official state tax. But instead everyone is paying the state money because they are taxed in a different way, a way that even illegals would be paying in.

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TX has no state income tax but property taxes are slightly higher and so is sales tax. I do like this since the additional sales tax and property taxes don't even come close to what income tax would be AND it forces the illegals to pay tax in their rent and everyday purchases.

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The outcry that Mexicans would be profiled as a whole is just not possible. With an easy quarter of the state being legal Mexicans, the cops certainly wouldn't have time to pull over every Mexican they see. This is simply a law that gives them the ability to take action if they have someone pulled over who can't produce paperwork. The fed obviously isn't doing anything, and that even includes the Bush years. We need to tighten the borders and clean house, we probably wouldn't be in half the mess we're in now if this had happened ten years ago.

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Edit: I quoted these ^^, but then read on and agreed with most said in the thread.. so stopped quoting :P.

I understand the reasoning, the issue is how it's used and regulated(nearly impossible). I'm with most in this thread saying they are two sided on it. I agree with most said here as well. The issue is, as racial profiling gets tighter and tighter, it becomes a slippery slope and worries a lot of us about where it is all heading(or could head). One more step in a certain direction is just one step closer to an uncomfortable/scary scenario for our future.

Being a Muslim(even though I am Indian and not an "Arab"), and not being white is already a pain in the arse these days traveling(air travel). The fact that I know for a fact that I will be looked at suspiciously by everyone at the airport(travelers as well as workers), then to know "the call" will be made on the black phone at the counter when I'm checking in(and I'm at the counter because most self check-in kiosk's will deny me/my name when trying to check in), then to know I will be "randomly" searched when going through the security lines, and then to know/feel that a lot of people give me looks on the plan and in the gate seating area just makes air travel non appealing anymore. It is unnecessary for me and all other non whites to feel this kind of stress and disrespect when travelling.

There is an Arab stand up comic who jokes that Arabs are the new "Black's" in America.. It's pretty much true. So looking like I could be an Arab was bad enough, now looking like I could be Mexican is just one more to add to the list.

BTW, going through the legal immigration process is a HUGE pain in the arse as well. I've been going through it for 4.5 years now with my wife(she is from India) and it's still not finished. It's just a BS system for those who are doing it the right way.. Seems easier to do it the other way.

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Problem is I don't want to get pulled over every time i'm on the road, I already get pulled over enough as it is.

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On momin's comment about immigration, I have my citizenship because I went to war, I think my brother got his after 7 years.

Receiving my citizenship was how I knew we were going to Iraq because my idiot company wanted it to be top secret.

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http://www1.voanews.com/english/news...-94249399.html

Doesn't Calderon have his own country to fix? How exactly does Arizona law concern him? I won't even start on Obama...

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I'll chime in. I was in AZ recently, after this law was put in place, and it is a bit crazy down there, and is obviously the topic of conversation you hear when out to eat or watching any news channel. The weird thing was, all the raids that where taking place happened to be in bad areas and locations where groups would populate for work. Job sites used as targets, but not only for individuals, but for the business owners who are also breaking the law.

The wildest thing I've seen is the river that many illegals are crossing to get into the US. They have found many dead in this river and due to this they are saying it's our responsibility to put ropes and other possible items to prevent drowning in this river (more of a man made river). For those who are for this, get the fuck out. US citizens who favor a change to make it easier to have someone sneak into the US should in tern be deported for being a fucking retard.

Laws today are worthless, they always change and are never good enough. Once a law is broken (such as coming to the US illegally) some group has to challenge it's use and outcome.

I just wish we could go back to simple and bring back the firing squad for death penalty. What, you are an illegal and raped someone and admitted it? Awesome, please skip the court system and proceed to picking your choice of bullet.

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You look Mexican? :)

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For those who may want to read the actual bill:

http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/bills/sb1070s.pdf

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LOL, it's happened. :lol:

Drive throughs.. Someone starts speaking Spanish to me.. I gotta be the "sellout" 1st generation loser Mexican that doesn't speak Spanish. :loser:

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I think ever cop in the US should be able to do this!!

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Wonder why this wasn't on all the main stream media, they sure didn't mind showing what Calderon had to say while Obama Inc. did standing ovations!!! :KANE:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ldx8gZDwZWs&hd=1

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Glad somebody had the balls to say all that.

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And only a couple people clapped? wtf...

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Critics of the law haven't read it...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4E7IKDOXE4U&hd=1

It clearly says it prohibits discrimination. I don't know what is misunderstood about that.

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I liked this: :)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7L4-QUL9PM&hd=1

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That's unfortunately all too typical, even sadder when the elected officials voting on the issues don't even read it :(

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What the hell are they all doing that is sooo important that they can't even do the jobs they were elected to do? (read laws)