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spyder_dsm 04-19-2010 06:22 PM

help which turbo to go with???
 
Okay DSMERS, I need help on which turbo to go with. First off my car is an Eclipse GST spyder and I have the basic mods for it. MHI-16g turbo, 3" exhaust from turbo back, K&N filter with dejon pipe, DSMLink, 650cc injectors, ACT 2100 clutch, walbro 255 pump, greddy Type-s BOV and greddy lower and upper intercooler pipe with greddy 24V FMIC. That's all the set up that I had so far. Now that my MHI-16g turbo is going out of order, I want to go with something bigger. But the thing is, my motor is not built. So I'm wondering if It can spool a bigger turbo or not?? and which turbo to go with?? The FP 18g 6sl2 or the FP green turbo?? Not looking to get a lot of HP max hp would be 300 to 350. And want a good highway turbo for top end if you get what I mean LOL... Sorry DSMERS as you can see I'm still kind of a newbie LOL so please help me in any way you can dsmers thanks..

awd-drifter 04-19-2010 06:33 PM

Re: help which turbo to go with???
 
scm61

edit:
1000cc or high injectors
E85

i forgot it was fwd. not sure how much burning out you're going to do on the highway.

asshanson 04-19-2010 06:35 PM

Re: help which turbo to go with???
 
FP 68HTA and bigger injectors to run E85 and you'll have an easy 350whp. Even another MHI 16g will easily get you over 300whp on E85. Cams are good too.

You'll be fine on stock internals to over 400whp, so don't worry about that.

scm61 is way overkill if youre just looking to make 350hp max, unless you're sticking to pump.

RadDsm 04-19-2010 06:56 PM

Re: help which turbo to go with???
 
A 50 trim (5031) might be a happy medium. It's good a decent amount of lag to help with fwd, will make 350whp easy, and will flow well up top.

LingLing 04-19-2010 06:56 PM

Re: help which turbo to go with???
 
1000cc+ injectors, rewire that Walboro, and either an FP 68HTA, or an e316g with e85 and you'll make well over 300whp.

sleepydsm 04-19-2010 09:11 PM

Re: help which turbo to go with???
 
If you arent looking for a TON of HP, but want a very fun car, get an Evo3 16G (a real one) or an FP 68HTA (A 16G with a fancy billet compressor wheel), bigger injectors, and e85 and you will have one fun car!!! PS you might need something for tuning IE DSMLink and I'd bring it to Shane at DBPerformance for tuning.

spyder_dsm 04-19-2010 10:23 PM

Re: help which turbo to go with???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RadDsm (Post 335537)
A 50 trim (5031) might be a happy medium. It's good a decent amount of lag to help with fwd, will make 350whp easy, and will flow well up top.

yeah I was thinking about the 50 trim too but at that price i can get the FP green.. LOL
and I don't want to much lag cuz I don't want to lose to some stupid turbo honda hatch back lol not hating on Honda's lol

spyder_dsm 04-19-2010 10:31 PM

Re: help which turbo to go with???
 
Thanks guys for the reply.. If any one has any more input please let me know more thanks..

Shane@DBPerformance 04-19-2010 10:41 PM

Re: help which turbo to go with???
 
If you did E85 and some bigger injectors like 1000cc, an Evo 3 16G would do pretty good for you. If you are trying to do it on pump gas, then it will be a lot harder. A 16G on E85 is going to make more power than most big turbo setups on pump gas, unless you have some crazy supporting mods and a really good setup. The FP Green, FP HTA68, a 20G, etc are all good options with good spoolup.

Are you stock cams? Stock intake manifold? A stock 2G motor/head will make good power, but the intake manifold and cams are a bit lacking.

goodhart 04-19-2010 10:57 PM

Re: help which turbo to go with???
 
I also vote Evo 3 16g or 68HTA. Those are about the best turbos for your goal and probably the best price also. Some 1000cc ish injectors and corn, and you will have one fun ass car. If you want to stick to pump gas, you may want a bigger turbo though.


Also, 1g or 2g? Kevin brought up a good point that you are going to want some sort of tuning program. If you have a 1g, then I vote that you have Shane (ecoli) burn you a custom eprom chip while on the dyno. Thats what I had with my old 16g setup and will be using with my new setup as well. They work great, and the temptation to mess with settings, change stuff, etc. is out of the equation which is good for some people that like to tinker, it takes out the possibility of fucking it up if you're not sure what you're doing. Not sure if he can do those with 2g's though.

Good luck!

asshanson 04-19-2010 11:12 PM

Re: help which turbo to go with???
 
He said he has dsmlink. Oh and to the OP, a Green is a 50 trim turbo.

spyder_dsm 04-20-2010 03:07 PM

Re: help which turbo to go with???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ecoli (Post 335581)
If you did E85 and some bigger injectors like 1000cc, an Evo 3 16G would do pretty good for you. If you are trying to do it on pump gas, then it will be a lot harder. A 16G on E85 is going to make more power than most big turbo setups on pump gas, unless you have some crazy supporting mods and a really good setup. The FP Green, FP HTA68, a 20G, etc are all good options with good spoolup.

Are you stock cams? Stock intake manifold? A stock 2G motor/head will make good power, but the intake manifold and cams are a bit lacking.

LOL thanks bro. Can you tell me more about the stock cams and stock intake manifold?? in to why its lacking so much besides it being stock, Or is it just because it's stock LOL and doesn't have that much potential..LOL

spyder_dsm 04-20-2010 03:09 PM

Re: help which turbo to go with???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by asshanson (Post 335595)
He said he has dsmlink. Oh and to the OP, a Green is a 50 trim turbo.

yeah that's what I thought too about the FP green that it's a 50 trim but how come it doesn't have that much turbo lag as the 50 trim??

Shane@DBPerformance 04-20-2010 03:31 PM

Re: help which turbo to go with???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by spyder_dsm (Post 335679)
Or is it just because it's stock LOL and doesn't have that much potential..LOL

Exactly.

spyder_dsm 04-20-2010 03:56 PM

Re: help which turbo to go with???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ecoli (Post 335689)
Exactly.

thanks lol...

spyder_dsm 04-20-2010 04:08 PM

Re: help which turbo to go with???
 
one or 2 more thing DSMERS. Lets say I was to go with the FP green. Would my 650cc injectors be okay or would I need bigger injectors? and I'm not planing on going E85 yet. Just pump gas. second thing is, Which would you dsmers prefer wastegate 02 dump or recirculation 02 housing?? let me know.. I know that the 02 dump is going to be very loud but from hearing people talk about the dump it help stop boost creep or something like that am i right please help on these 2 question too thanks and the turbo part LOL.. Like I said still kind of new at this stuff and Learning from it too LOL...

Matt D. 04-20-2010 04:13 PM

Re: help which turbo to go with???
 
I personally hate external dumping O2 housings, but if you want to deal with that sound then more power to you. Get yourself a nice cast or tubular recirculating one and you'll be just fine, and the cops and neighbors won't hate you so much.

spyder_dsm 04-20-2010 05:17 PM

Re: help which turbo to go with???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt D. (Post 335707)
I personally hate external dumping O2 housings, but if you want to deal with that sound then more power to you. Get yourself a nice cast or tubular recirculating one and you'll be just fine, and the cops and neighbors won't hate you so much.

yeah I myself hate it too. Just because it's too loud and it sounds like the car is broken or about to break.. LOL thanks

goodhart 04-20-2010 05:20 PM

Re: help which turbo to go with???
 
If I see "LOL" one more time I am gonna start paybanning...

spyder_dsm 04-20-2010 05:35 PM

Re: help which turbo to go with???
 
Sorry I'm just a happy guy can't people laugh...

LingLing 04-20-2010 05:37 PM

Re: help which turbo to go with???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by spyder_dsm (Post 335729)
Sorry I'm just a happy guy can't people laugh...

What, you think this is a place for gummy bears, reach arounds and laughter? ;)

Super Bleeder!! 04-20-2010 05:41 PM

Re: help which turbo to go with???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt D. (Post 335707)
the cops and neighbors won't hate you so much.

If the cops and neigbors can hear your dumped wastegate that means you're going WOT around the neighborhood. Just because your WG is recirculated doesnt mean they'll nod their heads in approval as you blast down their street ;)

spyder_dsm 04-20-2010 05:46 PM

Re: help which turbo to go with???
 
No, just like to laugh a lot. Don't like being angry and grumpy, That's all.. look if you guys don't want no more LOL that's fine don't want to start something here save it for the some thing else... Just looking for answers, and questions here..

goodhart 04-20-2010 05:49 PM

Re: help which turbo to go with???
 
It just LOL is really hard LOL to read LOL when you're LOL paragraph looks like LOL this dude LOL I'm not angry LOL at all LOL it LOL just LOL looks retarded LOL LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

See what I mean? I'm not trying to be a dick here, just please type like an adult. :D

spyder_dsm 04-20-2010 05:58 PM

Re: help which turbo to go with???
 
yeah that's fine. one question tho How about ha ha ha.. J/K..

spyder_dsm 04-20-2010 06:17 PM

Re: help which turbo to go with???
 
well DSMERS any more help on the injectors on how many CC I should go with, if I go with the FP green and pump gas..

goodhart 04-20-2010 06:18 PM

Re: help which turbo to go with???
 
750's would be more than enough for a 20g on pump. 650's may work also...

asshanson 04-20-2010 06:25 PM

Re: help which turbo to go with???
 
650cc injectors and that Walbro 255 pump will be more than enough to get your 300-350whp goal on premium.

I hate open wastegate dumps, I've always done recirculated. Just my preference though, doesn't seem to hurt my power much and never had any boost creep.

spyder_dsm 04-20-2010 07:10 PM

Re: help which turbo to go with???
 
thanks dsmers for the help and if you dsmers have any more information or knowledge in this please keep me posted. For what I've had said before I'm a newbie on this.. So thanks a lot for all the help. And if there is more info please let me know furthermore to knowledge myself on this. Thanks for the help fellow dsmers..

Kevin 1G Drummer 04-21-2010 01:49 PM

Re: help which turbo to go with???
 
DSMers are so cool...

93tsiawd 04-21-2010 11:00 PM

Re: help which turbo to go with???
 
i have a part out in the fs section if your interested in anything


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