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But i have to post this for all you republican devils. (yes i have posted this on facebook)
http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/...2517874&ref=mf

BOOO YA BILL MAHER!

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loved it

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Bill Maher lol. Come on Tom, can't you come up with something better than that?

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Bill Maher is my idol!

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I dont know anything about politics. But This was funny.

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I have a legitimate question. What is the democratic reasoning behind the closed-door negotiations of the bill? Everthing in complete secrecy? And how the full text didn't come out until just a day or less before the bill was voted on? Seriously, what happened to Obama's promise of openness? Things are more closed off than I have ever seen them. Isn't that like... inherently against what the democratic party stands for?

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Pelosi claimed it was done with full transparency, so you clearly don't know what you're talking about. ;)

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that response makes me even more scared. at least they could admit the truth...

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Is there a youtube version? It's the only player that doesn't skip or suck a whole lot on my computer.

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Every time they came out with a plan for heathcare it was completely ripped apart for insane reasons. Not because it was a bad plan but because republicans had nothing to do but squeal about every little piece.
So its like Bill Maher said, "Obama got fed up and said kiss my black ass we are going about it George W bush style" It was the only way it was going to pass. And it did thankfully. now they have the Fix bill that tightens the overhaul up.
do you realise how much money was being spent while all of the bickering was going back and forth? A LOT. Way too much.
Things are not more closed off than the past 8 years under bush. That was some closed off shit. Im just glad they passed something regardless of how unpopular it was. People will bitch and complain about it but 10 years from now people will see it as the norm and the republicans will even be defending it, like medicare was.
I think it speaks volumes that the democrats passed the bill regardless of how it would make them look come reelection time. Lets see some republicans do that. NOT A CHANCE.
Edit: Also what the closed door plan does is not allow lobbyists to get their say in there. which is a huge problem in washington right now, lobbyists from corperate greedy bastard companies watering down everything that comes through.

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I want to shake that man's hand.

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You do know that lobbyists write the bills, correct?

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Who authored the Health Care bill? And don't say lobbyists, I want names and where they work. Google didn't tell me, so since you claim to know, you better put up or shut the motherfuck up.

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That still doesn't make sense to me. Democrats have a majority, so if they vote along party lines, it would pass regardless. There is no need to be secretive...

Also, if you really believe that the democrats who wrote the bill (as well as obama) aren't influenced by big corporations, then you're living in a dream world. big Pharma will be making a killing on this.

Also, there were probably hundreds, if not thousands that were the 'authors' of this bill.

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This whole system is fed in the a now-a-days. Screw the health care overhaul, the whole damn system needs an overhaul in my opinion. This partisanship crap is getting to be ridiculous, which should be obvious no matter which side of the line you stand on.

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It is very ridiculous. Didn't Rush say he was moving to Canada if this passes? Is he gone yet? lol

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Tom clearly thinks it's the best thing ever and his party can do no wrong. Yet because I oppose something that democrats are supporting I get labeled as a liberal republican, even though I voted independent/constitution. Go figure.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lobbyin..._United_States

One can only assume. No one but the democrats had their hands on the bill until the Friday before the vote, and even then there were reportedly old version of the bill being circulated. No one can truthfully say that anyone knows one damn thing about the bill.

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I just hate the fact that you HAVE to carry health insurance now. Not, if you want to, but you HAVE to. And to a certain arbitrary level set by the government. Somehow the government knows my body better than me. And if you don't have it, you will be fined? That's rediculous! I've carried insurance ever since I can remember. And I've used all of about 4 times in my life!! Why should I have to pay for everyone else that goes in for a sniffle?

Just because they say it's a "health care overhaul" doesn't make it good.

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There is shit hidden within that bill that nobody has even found yet I'm sure.

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No doubt.

Whenever they don't release it publicly before the vote, there's always shit nobody wants in there.

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Agreed. They are elected officials. The public should be 100% informed on what they are voting on (so should they for that matter). My guess is a lot of people aren't reelected b/c of their YES vote on this bill.

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It's not just that, it's the fact that the government is forcing the people to buy a commercial product. They are forcing us to spend our money on something whether we like it or not.

Of course, I'm sure Tom will have something to say about how this is good for us.

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Exactly!! They were mentioning this a while back and someone brought up the fact that they mandate car insurance for cars. Well there is an easy way to opt out of car insurance, don't own a car! We can't opt out of having health insurance because in order to do that, we have to be dead.

I've read some of the original bill. And they intentionally made it very long and full of legal ease to make sure people would not finish reading it. There is a lot of added little extras in there that even the people shouting how much they want this bill passed would scream, WTF!!!

I haven't looked around lately to see if there is anything out there about the new bill. But why pass something and then say that we have to "tweak" it right afterwards? Just to say "we got it passed"? That's stupid. Now that it's passed, they can stall all the "fixes" as long as they want because it is now "law of the land". If it's so important, take the time to get it right first and then present it to the country and see how they feel about it. Not just ram through any piece of legislation and say it needs to get done now because if not now, when. Take the time to get it right!!

Too many people with "entitlement" issues. They feel they are entitled to what everyone else that works hard and makes something of themselves have, but don't need to do anything for it.

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Multi-vitamins and fruit are good for me too. When is the government going to start force-feeding us?

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This

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The government makes you carry Auto Insurance dont they?

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reading > Tom

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Are you serious? It's a state by state law, not a federal government mandate. And they don't tell you who you can or can be insured by, or to what level, just so much as you have it. And it's not just to protect you (which is what health care is for, right?) but to protect anything and anyone else.

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You must also remember that the government doesn't require people to keep auto insurance coverage on their car or person, only to cover damage to another person's car or well-being.

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Yes, but if you don't drive, it is not required.

How would you feel if you didn't own a car or have a DL. You rode the bus every day.

Then the Guberment stepped in and required you to buy their auto insurance. (even though you don't own or need a car) As well as help pay for other peoples car insurance that could afford a car but not insurance.

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http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/Se...in;contentBody

There is the 2400+ pages of the original bill.

And here is a summary of the bill.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_1...46-503544.html

There are a lot of points in the summary that are really scary. One to note is the excise taxes.

"Excise Tax -- Beginning in 2018, insurance companies will pay a 40 percent excise tax on so-called "Cadillac" high-end insurance plans worth over $27,500 for families ($10,200 for individuals). Dental and vision plans are exempt and will not be counted in the total cost of a family's plan."

So if I want the absolute best coverage for my family AND want to pay for it out of my pocket, that insurance company is gonna get hit with a 40% tax on what they get from it? Talk about running the competition out of town!

You really gotta dig into what they have passed as "LAW" now!! And you wonder why people are in such an uproar. Granted insurance companies have been making alot of money. But to put government in as competition for them is not the way to get them to stop any bad practices. If you don't like how an insurance company does business, change companies. How do you tell a business you don't like their product? You buy someone elses!!

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WTF are you really gonna use that as a example????? Use your brain.

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Easier to ask Obama to do it for him.

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Invalid. You can't stop living the same way you can stop owning a car. But come to think of it, if you really don't want to have health insurance and stay in the U.S., you can always off yourself and be buried in the states.

And as for "sneaking" bills in before voting time, it's not like it hasn't happened before. Bush and Dick did the same with the Patriot Act, one of the most privacy-invading bills of all time. And as a republican, you can be proud of your representatives for holding hands and refusing to vote yes on the bill. They did everything they could, but after eight years of bush and cheney, the people really needed change (I'm not riding the slogan bandwagon with that one either) and they proved it by voting in more democrats than republicans, and now look what happened. They started flexing on the minorities. Not a far cry for any majority group whether it's in politics or not.

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I don't know about that, if anything it just introduces economies of greater scale, which has never hurt anybody except the ones making the shittiest product. When there is more competition, there is usually a better product or process that results, have you not noticed this in any part of your life?

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The biggest thing is that this policy is hitting everyone in the pocketbook no matter who you are. It is also rewarding laziness and punishing those who work to better themselves. Why should I work hard to get the money to afford a very comfortable living only for the government to come and take more taxes out of my pocket to pay for someone else that doesn't want to earn their own way?

And it is against pretty much everything this country was founded on. Freedom of choice will not exist much longer. You will have to do what they want you to whether you like it or not.

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Free market competition is much different than government competition. Government is not there to make a profit. Nor should they. Plus, where does government get their money in the first place?

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Selling parcels of land and stealing Mayan Gold.

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My problem is that I don't want to have to pay for someone else's problems. I think everyone should pay for their own problems.

This will, undoubtedly, put the US in so much MORE debt that we will be out of a world power for minimum of 10 years I'm sure. Now, if China starts selling our T-bills because they assume we cannot pay our bills, we are in a serious situation. "The Situation" cannot even help us out of this one...