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Swifty1638 02-17-2010 09:07 AM

T-case bracing?
 
Anyone know of a place that sells a brace for the transfer case? I know it's big for the 3000gt/stealth crowd, but I haven't seen one for dsm's. I found this pic, and was wondering if it's just homemade or what?

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/5894/003zt.jpg

I want, and have been thinking about doing one for my car, since the t-case is aluminum, and I'd rather save it as best as I can. Ideas?

blageo23 02-17-2010 09:47 AM

Re: T-case bracing?
 
Do you have a spare you can bring by? If there is enough interest we can come up with one. Any further info on why people would want this and if it actually helps?

Swifty1638 02-17-2010 09:53 AM

Re: T-case bracing?
 
I know especially for the 3kgt guys it helps the casing from flexing, and keeps the gears in check. Enough driveline shock would actually put enough torsion on the gears to "spread" them apart, cracking the case, and blowing the tcase up..someone correct me if I'm wrong. The bracing i've seen/installed on those cars looks like that of a mini roll cage, lol. I was just concerned because I'm afraid mine will do the same. I wish I had a spare, but I don't.

At-Least-It's-An-Evo 02-17-2010 10:10 AM

Re: T-case bracing?
 
Don't you have to actually race your car to be afraid of things breaking?

Swifty1638 02-17-2010 10:13 AM

Re: T-case bracing?
 
Yea, shut up cher. Isn't there some fuel pump dilemma you are discussing on SF? This is a mitsu question..

turbotalon1g 02-17-2010 10:20 AM

Re: T-case bracing?
 
I haven't heard of anyone breaking T-cases, but then again I don't drive a cool OMG HPowerz car.

Swifty1638 02-17-2010 10:22 AM

Re: T-case bracing?
 
I have heard of it, and im more-so scared, that it will happen easier on mine, being all aluminum.

I do not drive a omghighhp car..

Kevin 1G Drummer 02-17-2010 11:11 AM

Re: T-case bracing?
 
That looks home made to me, seems simple enough to make one.

scheides 02-17-2010 11:12 AM

Re: T-case bracing?
 
I say skip it unless you start breaking them. I think the 3kGT ones are specific to that case, the DSM ones don't get shreaded as easily.

scheides 02-17-2010 11:13 AM

Re: T-case bracing?
 
mini swifty bash/poke? ok:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Swifty1638 (Post 325081)
I do not drive a omghighhp car..

Correct, it is in pieces! get that thing running!

turbotalon1g 02-17-2010 12:56 PM

Re: T-case bracing?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Swifty1638 (Post 325081)
I have heard of it, and im more-so scared, that it will happen easier on mine, being all aluminum.

I do not drive a omghighhp car..


Like who? Why don't you share since the seem to know all these people.

Swifty1638 02-17-2010 01:00 PM

Re: T-case bracing?
 
Ok, calm down Aaron. Get off your high horse, and join the rest of us down here. Do a little research, you'll find it. Tcases blowing are a common occurance for anyone putting their drivetrain through hell. I just want to make that a less common occurance.

Andrew7dg 02-17-2010 01:03 PM

Re: T-case bracing?
 
It would make me feel better to have one

but which one would happen first?
destroy the internals of the transfer case, destroy transmission, or both before the mounts break?

Halon 02-17-2010 01:22 PM

Re: T-case bracing?
 
Mitsu actually designed a fix for this. Do a search for GST :)

Matt D. 02-17-2010 01:26 PM

Re: T-case bracing?
 
Why are you even worried about this happening? It's like you're building a track car that will never see the track. And no, like Aaron, I have not seen transfer cases exploding.

Swifty1638 02-17-2010 01:27 PM

Re: T-case bracing?
 
Ok, keep your bantering for the swifty threads please. I asked a question. Answer it, or GTFO.

scheides 02-17-2010 01:30 PM

Re: T-case bracing?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Swifty1638 (Post 325149)
Ok, keep your bantering for the swifty threads please. I asked a question. Answer it, or GTFO.

Fair enough! If anyone actually knows anything, please chime in. I think whether or not its worth it for 99.9% of dsms is firmly established. :)

Matt D. 02-17-2010 01:31 PM

Re: T-case bracing?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Swifty1638 (Post 325047)
Anyone know of a place that sells a brace for the transfer case?

I do not know of a place that makes them, have never seen them sold anywhere.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Swifty1638 (Post 325047)
I found this pic, and was wondering if it's just homemade or what?

It looks homemade to me.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Swifty1638 (Post 325047)
Ideas?

When you get slicks and track the car regularly then you may have a legitimate interest in reinforcing the transfer case. Until then I believe you should worry about other things that will matter more with your car.

turbotalon1g 02-17-2010 06:23 PM

Re: T-case bracing?
 
I'm not on any high horse, just because I am making a valid point of
1. I haven't heard of anyone doing this, 10sec 600-700whp DSMs not destroying Tcases.
2. You trying to get your car ready for god knows what since you haven't even run a damn 11 or 12 in a DSM.

From what I understand about drivetrain breakages in general is that the flex in the drivetrain is what can put a lot of pressure on teh drivetrain even at moderate powers, considering a similar design is used in the evo and 3S its safe to say that the 3S chassis/drivetrain undergoes a lot of stress/flex I just met a 3S guy that split his trans thru 2 cases.

While its easy to pick on you, I am not trying to do that here, I am trying to figure out why this would be needed, if you would provide the examples that you seem to know about I would like to see what is exactly happening and what these people are doing, why?
I have a DSM too and I hate when my shit breaks whether it be a few hours or maybe even a day or two.

CarPsyco84 02-17-2010 06:25 PM

Re: T-case bracing?
 
Why is your T-case all alum? want a cast iron headed one instead?

Swifty1638 02-17-2010 06:40 PM

Re: T-case bracing?
 
Aaron, just dishing it back ;).

I'd hafta dig up examples, but I know brent bennyhoff, jake montgomery, and others whom I don't know by name have grenaded their t-cases (1 including that green 1g on talk, if I remember correctly..big ted is his name?) My t-case and tranny are from a 91 galant, and for that reason, I dunno why, but the t-case is aluminum. I have thought about swapping the internals over to a cast case, but I found this pic earlier today, and got wheels in my head turning, and we all know what happens when wheels in my head turn (besides a headache)..

Kracka 02-17-2010 07:43 PM

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Why doesn't your homeboy Rau fab one up for you?

Swifty1638 02-17-2010 07:44 PM

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har har har. Rau doesn't do everything for me, jesus. Besides, he doesn't even know what a t-case is ;)

Matt D. 02-17-2010 07:51 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Swifty1638 (Post 325216)
I'd hafta dig up examples, but I know brent bennyhoff, jake montgomery, and others whom I don't know by name have grenaded their t-cases (1 including that green 1g on talk, if I remember correctly..big ted is his name?)

When you are close to running their times then I think it could be a valid point to consider doing this. Until then you need to first get your car together, running correctly and down the strip because you really need to stop kidding yourself and everyone here about how awesome your car is/will be.

Kracka 02-17-2010 07:54 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt D. (Post 325228)
you really need to stop kidding yourself and everyone here about how awesome your car is/will be.

/thread

Swifty1638 02-17-2010 07:59 PM

Re: T-case bracing?
 
I'm not kidding anyone. What's wrong with doing research, and trying to prevent anything from going wrong? I swear every time I raise a question unasked by others, I get shit from assholes like you. Don't like the question, then keep your opinion to yourself. Not once did I say I was fast, cool, or anything. Last I checked the ownership of the car was MINE, not yours.

turbotalon1g 02-17-2010 08:16 PM

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^lol. I think he is just dishing it back, so get off your high horse big turbo slut.

Jake's car exploded cause his Tcase locked up I thought? I don't know nothing about mr BB. I know who you are talking about on talk, but I think you should run the car a bit first.

I'll let you know if I find out anything, but that shit is too high HP for me.

Matt D. 02-17-2010 08:33 PM

Re: T-case bracing?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Swifty1638 (Post 325235)
I'm not kidding anyone. What's wrong with doing research, and trying to prevent anything from going wrong? I swear every time I raise a question unasked by others, I get shit from assholes like you. Don't like the question, then keep your opinion to yourself. Not once did I say I was fast, cool, or anything. Last I checked the ownership of the car was MINE, not yours.

Of course you're kidding people. You are looking into a modification that you don't even know your car needs for sure. For all you and the rest of us knows your car will never see the track! This thread is on the same level of ridiculousness as if I were to start a thread about putting a roll cage in my car because I want to stiffen up the chassis and I'm afraid of it rolling over at autocross because I might get sticky tires... some day.

tehehodi 02-17-2010 08:36 PM

Re: T-case bracing?
 
Don't forget the blinker fluid reservoir bracket bracing to! j/k!!

I agree, swifty, get the car running down the track first :p

Kracka 02-17-2010 08:36 PM

Re: T-case bracing?
 
Still thinking about getting a parachute?

Swifty1638 02-17-2010 08:55 PM

Re: T-case bracing?
 
Fine, nevermind. I'll just run it, and shut you all up. Blow it up, whatever.

123abc 02-17-2010 08:59 PM

Re: T-case bracing?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Swifty1638 (Post 325264)
Fine, nevermind. I'll just run it, and shut you all up. Blow it up, whatever.


And that's the key. Don't be afraid to break shit. :P

tehehodi 02-17-2010 09:01 PM

Re: T-case bracing?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kracka (Post 325256)
Still thinking about getting a parachute?


I think he's going to use zoobas?

or was that turbotalon1g

blackrosenova400 02-17-2010 09:17 PM

Re: T-case bracing?
 
Did I scare you last night swifty when I was talkin about gear behavior?

slowbubblecar 02-17-2010 09:28 PM

Re: T-case bracing?
 
Just get another one for a backup. They are cheap enough and easy enough to install where it wouldn't be a big deal if you messed one up. If you happen to break yours, maybe you can spend a little time beefing up a second one. I wouldn't worry about breaking it just because a select few people have especially with how cheap they are. Just my opinion though.

Super Bleeder!! 02-17-2010 09:31 PM

Re: T-case bracing?
 
Dont forget to run a brace that braces the brace. Also put a brace inside the parachute.

Halon 02-17-2010 09:35 PM

Re: T-case bracing?
 
Try contacting these guys.

http://media.merchantcircle.com/1609...lf_medium.jpeg

Goat Blower 02-17-2010 09:41 PM

Re: T-case bracing?
 
Waste of time. I split mine in half at the shootout in 2001 or so, that piece of shit brace pictured wouldn't help with squat. You'd have to brace it from top to bottom and side to side on the front of the case, where the gears mesh at the 90 degree angle. There's not room to do that under the oil pan so it's a moot point. Keep a spare in the trunk and call it a day.

tpunx99GSX 02-17-2010 09:43 PM

Re: T-case bracing?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by turbotalon1g (Post 325243)
^lol. I think he is just dishing it back, so get off your high horse big turbo slut.

we actually talked about this one night in SB, i mencioned how he seems to have gone through more turbos than myself, but we counted it out and i have seen more turbos, but i supposed he can be called turbo slut and ill be Turbo Whore.

Matt D. 02-17-2010 09:45 PM

Re: T-case bracing?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Goat Blower (Post 325278)
Waste of time. I split mine in half at the shootout in 2001 or so, that piece of shit brace pictured wouldn't help with squat. You'd have to brace it from top to bottom and side to side on the front of the case, where the gears mesh at the 90 degree angle. There's not room to do that under the oil pan so it's a moot point. Keep a spare in the trunk and call it a day.

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