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v8klla 02-05-2010 02:01 PM

MAPerformance / First to break 800whp barrier on stock Evo ECU!
 

Build Summary


The license plate on this Evo says it all, Evil AWD. We had two goals for this build and as far as I can tell we were successful in both regards. The first goal was to fulfill our customer's request which was to take his daily driver and make it into a monster that he could still drive on a daily basis. Thanks to Kasey's time and effort in regards to tuning combined with the proper components we have accomplished just that. Our second goal was to utilize this opportunity (we rarely see builds like this in Minnesota, even though they seem to be so prevalent in other parts of the country) and break some records. Drag racing in February just isn't possible here in Minnesota, so for now dyno numbers will have to suffice ;)

New Stock ECU Horsepower Record as of February 5th, 2010

As far as we can tell 814whp beats the previous stock ECU horsepower record by over 40whp! As you can see below we were also able to reach 806whp at just 38psi, which leads us to believe that there is room to grow :) Look for updates in the near future as we get to spend more and more time in our dyno room with this monster!

Modifications

MAP 2.3L Shortblock
  • MAP Spec 10:1 Wiseco Pistons
  • MAP Ultimate Duty Connecting Rods
MAP Stage 4 Cylinder Head Preparation
  • Kiggly Racing Beehive Valve Springs / Retainers
  • Kelford 272 Camshafts
MAP Custom Top Mount T3 Manifold / Downpipe
PTE Billet 6765 Ball Bearing Turbocharger
MAP Custom Intercooler Piping
Perrin Intercooler Core Modified for 3" Outlet
3.5" GM MAS / MAF Translator
Mil.Spec 65mm Throttle Body
MAP Rev3 Intake Manifold
Sparktech Non-CDI Coil on Plug
Full Blown Triple Pumper
Fuel Injector Clinic BlueMax 2150cc Injectors

Fuel Injector Clinic BlueMax 2150cc Injectors

We just can't say enough about these fuel injectors as they have quite honestly changed the game in regards to power output and driveability. Clearly, they are able to support well over 800whp on E85. The part that you can't see from these dyno charts is the driveability. Here in Minnesota we frequently dip below zero degrees and rarely get above freezing in January / February. With that said, this car starts like a dream! Part throttle and cruise characteristics are similar to what was once only achievable with injectors smaller than 1000cc. Finally, you can have your cake and eat it too when it comes to fuel injectors for the Evo platform!

Special Thanks

We would like to take a moment and thank all of the stock ECU gurus for their time and effort, without their innovation and ambition none of this would be possible! We would also like to thank JestrTuning and JohnBradley for their collaboration efforts during this project!

Dyno Charts

Please note that we have included both STD and SAE correction to keep everyone happy ;) Yes it is cold outside up here in Minnesota, but our dyno room draws air from our 65 degree workshop. Either way, the correction factor takes temperature into consideration.


Swifty1638 02-05-2010 02:06 PM

Re: MAPerformance / First to break 800whp barrier on stock Evo ECU!
 
Heard of this last night..congrats!!!!

scheides 02-05-2010 02:13 PM

Re: MAPerformance / First to break 800whp barrier on stock Evo ECU!
 
Badass, but why only k272's and wtf@maf-t? Speed density suckas, dooo it!

tehehodi 02-05-2010 02:30 PM

Re: MAPerformance / First to break 800whp barrier on stock Evo ECU!
 
Badass, Congrats

awd-drifter 02-05-2010 02:39 PM

Re: MAPerformance / First to break 800whp barrier on stock Evo ECU!
 
dayum. pretty nice stuff guys

123abc 02-05-2010 02:43 PM

Re: MAPerformance / First to break 800whp barrier on stock Evo ECU!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by scheides (Post 323040)
Badass, but why only k272's and wtf@maf-t? Speed density suckas, dooo it!


Hahaha gm Maf ftw! Awesome numbers!

mike55112 02-05-2010 02:49 PM

Re: MAPerformance / First to break 800whp barrier on stock Evo ECU!
 
Looks like a sick build. I knew there was a reason I went back to the stock ecu.

v8klla 02-05-2010 02:50 PM

Re: MAPerformance / First to break 800whp barrier on stock Evo ECU!
 
Thanks for the kind words guys!

Quote:

Originally Posted by scheides (Post 323040)
Badass, but why only k272's and wtf@maf-t? Speed density suckas, dooo it!

In regards to the cams this is an honest to goodness daily driver, did you catch the fact that it has a stock ported intake manifold? We've put 700 miles or so on it at the customer's request and it handles Minnesota winter like a champ!

In regards to the MAFT you would have to speak with Kasey on that one. I believe he chose to stick with what he knows for now so there weren't any variables to prevent us from reaching these goals. However, speed density is definitely going to be a part of our repertoire in the future!

Matt D. 02-05-2010 03:08 PM

Re: MAPerformance / First to break 800whp barrier on stock Evo ECU!
 
Awesome, congrats!

I have to admit, first time I've heard of a MAF-T used on an Evo. With speed density being as easy to set up and reliable as it is I don't understand why that wasn't used.

You don't build an 800WHP+ car to be streetable, put bigger cams in it and make more power. :)

v8klla 02-05-2010 03:18 PM

Re: MAPerformance / First to break 800whp barrier on stock Evo ECU!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt D. (Post 323054)
Awesome, congrats!

I have to admit, first time I've heard of a MAF-T used on an Evo. With speed density being as easy to set up and reliable as it is I don't understand why that wasn't used.

You don't build an 800WHP+ car to be streetable, put bigger cams in it and make more power. :)

This build has been in the works for quite some time to be honest. Speed density was relatively new when we were in the planning stages and we just don't have enough Evo's in the area to get accustomed to the intricacies of speed density :( We have three Evo owners at the shop, but one is down for upgrades, another is trying to sell, and the third is my daily driver! lol

Also, Kasey used this combo the last time he broke the stock ECU record ;)

scheides 02-05-2010 03:29 PM

Re: MAPerformance / First to break 800whp barrier on stock Evo ECU!
 
http://mitsustyle.com/forums/showthread.php?p=318644

Kid tested, mother approved.

By that, I mean all the openecu dudes (including JohnBradley) signed off on this...your DD is an 05 isn't it? You need to try this, srsly. I'm working on the IX one next, stay tuned :)

turbotalon1g 02-05-2010 03:40 PM

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Congrats, our car scene is better than you think.

v8klla 02-05-2010 03:49 PM

Re: MAPerformance / First to break 800whp barrier on stock Evo ECU!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by scheides (Post 323062)
http://mitsustyle.com/forums/showthread.php?p=318644

Kid tested, mother approved.

By that, I mean all the openecu dudes (including JohnBradley) signed off on this...your DD is an 05 isn't it? You need to try this, srsly. I'm working on the IX one next, stay tuned :)

Yes, 2005 MR. I realize more and more people are going speed density, and I'm not knocking it at all as it appears to be the future of Evo tuning. It was just one less thing for us to worry about for the time being, and clearly the MAFT combination works ;)

v8klla 02-05-2010 03:51 PM

Re: MAPerformance / First to break 800whp barrier on stock Evo ECU!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by turbotalon1g (Post 323072)
Congrats, our car scene is better than you think.

I think it mostly has to do with winter as most anyone considering a build like this would have to drive something else 6 months out of the year lol. It just makes me a little bit sad that the first big Evo project to come through my facility was from North Carolina! :lol:

Kasey at MAP 02-05-2010 05:16 PM

Re: MAPerformance / First to break 800whp barrier on stock Evo ECU!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by scheides (Post 323040)
Speed density sucks


Fixed:lol:

At-Least-It's-An-Evo 02-05-2010 05:17 PM

Re: MAPerformance / First to break 800whp barrier on stock Evo ECU!
 
That thing spools really good. Sweet shit.

scheides 02-05-2010 05:19 PM

Re: MAPerformance / First to break 800whp barrier on stock Evo ECU!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasey at MAP (Post 323094)
Fixed:lol:

Watch out, I'll show that to JohnBradley/Aaron@ER, IDK if he'll think that's very funny ;)

niterydr 02-05-2010 05:24 PM

Re: MAPerformance / First to break 800whp barrier on stock Evo ECU!
 
Good work guys. I agree that a MASS sensor was a good choice for this project. Customer wanted a daily driver with repeatable and dependable results, why not use a MASS sensor over calculations, IAT, and map sensors. Speed density rocks, but you can get a car PERFECT with a MASS when it comes to drive-ability and idle.

Kasey at MAP 02-05-2010 05:49 PM

Re: MAPerformance / First to break 800whp barrier on stock Evo ECU!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by scheides (Post 323096)
Watch out, I'll show that to JohnBradley/Aaron@ER, IDK if he'll think that's very funny ;)

Ok, I know SD is a big hype right now, but no one has really proven it to be better than using a GM MAF. We are using a 3inch upper IC pipe with a 3.5 GM Maf and I will bet you the restriction is not hurting the power at all or spool for that matter.:beach:

jrohner 02-05-2010 06:04 PM

Re: MAPerformance / First to break 800whp barrier on stock Evo ECU!
 
And for the time it takes to get SD right (for driveability, not just dyno numbers), you could've spent that time on things that would actually give you gains.

Kracka 02-05-2010 06:11 PM

Re: MAPerformance / First to break 800whp barrier on stock Evo ECU!
 
Wow, great numbers guys! Definitely a nice looking build.

I love the ported stock IM/TB combo and the Perrin FMIC :D

Super Bleeder!! 02-05-2010 06:13 PM

Re: MAPerformance / First to break 800whp barrier on stock Evo ECU!
 
WOW. BAdassssssssssss

Halon 02-06-2010 01:45 AM

Re: MAPerformance / First to break 800whp barrier on stock Evo ECU!
 
Amazing numbers. I am right there with yout when it comes to opting for a MAS over Speed Density. I still to this day do not understand the hype to switch over to speed density when these cars were built (with the OEM ECU) to run a MAS and they do so well with them.

Keep up the good work!!

t-revzr 02-06-2010 12:54 PM

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Got to watch this car on the dyno last night! Unreal how fast the 3rd gear pull is. Thanks again Kasey and all the guys for lettin me stay after and watch!

Goat Blower 02-06-2010 02:19 PM

Re: MAPerformance / First to break 800whp barrier on stock Evo ECU!
 
Awesome work guys!

BTW, speed density is so 1997.

v8klla 02-08-2010 10:51 AM

Re: MAPerformance / First to break 800whp barrier on stock Evo ECU!
 
Thanks again for the kind words guys!

goodhart 02-08-2010 03:49 PM

Re: MAPerformance / First to break 800whp barrier on stock Evo ECU!
 
One Question: How does one determine if they are the first to break x, y, or z record? How do you know there isn't some guy that tuned his own car, isn't on any forums, and made 900whp? Just curiosity that's all.

v8klla 02-08-2010 03:56 PM

Re: MAPerformance / First to break 800whp barrier on stock Evo ECU!
 
In regards to the actual record please note that we stated "As far as we can tell..." In regards to being the first I'm not ruling out the possibility of someone having done this before, but I can say that it was not easy and would IMHO have to be done by an Evo specialist of some sort. With that said, why wouldn't you share something like this with the Evo community and market your brand?

mlomker 02-08-2010 04:11 PM

Re: MAPerformance / First to break 800whp barrier on stock Evo ECU!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by goodhart (Post 323434)
How do you know there isn't some guy that tuned his own car, isn't on any forums, and made 900whp?

Figures he has 900 on his G-Tech? Sheets or it didn't happen, I say.

goodhart 02-08-2010 06:17 PM

Re: MAPerformance / First to break 800whp barrier on stock Evo ECU!
 
I'm just saying. Not everybody is into the whole forum thing. For example, a friend of a friend of mine made 837whp at DB and he isn't on any forums. Just put together a good setup, brought it to Shane, and tada!

goodhart 02-08-2010 06:18 PM

Re: MAPerformance / First to break 800whp barrier on stock Evo ECU!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mlomker (Post 323438)
Figures he has 900 on his G-Tech? Sheets or it didn't happen, I say.


Not saying it did happen, just that it could. Remember, not all car owners are a member of a forum.

v8klla 02-08-2010 06:24 PM

Re: MAPerformance / First to break 800whp barrier on stock Evo ECU!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by goodhart (Post 323449)
I'm just saying. Not everybody is into the whole forum thing. For example, a friend of a friend of mine made 837whp at DB and he isn't on any forums. Just put together a good setup, brought it to Shane, and tada!

If I recall correctly his name is Greg? And I believe Shane did post something about that ;) Don't think it was stock ECU though...

mlomker 02-08-2010 07:07 PM

Re: MAPerformance / First to break 800whp barrier on stock Evo ECU!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by goodhart (Post 323449)
a friend of a friend of mine made 837whp at DB and he isn't on any forums.

Shane has a couple 700hp+ Evos on the board. Hope to see one some day. I'd do it myself if the power-band at those power levels wasn't so impractical. Hard to give up 400tq below 4k rpm. haha.

goodhart 02-08-2010 08:52 PM

Re: MAPerformance / First to break 800whp barrier on stock Evo ECU!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by v8klla (Post 323454)
If I recall correctly his name is Greg? And I believe Shane did post something about that ;) Don't think it was stock ECU though...

Jeremy

v8klla 02-09-2010 10:21 AM

Re: MAPerformance / First to break 800whp barrier on stock Evo ECU!
 
Ah well, my thoughts on it are this: If someone breaks a record in the Guinness book, but they don't take the proper steps to document it, does that mean that the actual record holder in the book can't claim it any longer? If you stumble across some proof that this has been done before, or that more power has been made on stock ECU I will happily edit this thread ;)

scheides 02-09-2010 10:28 AM

Re: MAPerformance / First to break 800whp barrier on stock Evo ECU!
 
My thoughts are, who gives an eff! 800whp on any dyno is epic, fuck the records! Sorry this got turned into SD +/- or world record talk, let's see some pics and videos of this thing in action! Sounds like a good solid build, good work MAP.

Kasey at MAP 02-09-2010 11:26 AM

Re: MAPerformance / First to break 800whp barrier on stock Evo ECU!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by scheides (Post 323666)
My thoughts are, who gives an eff! 800whp on any dyno is epic, fuck the records! Sorry this got turned into SD +/- or world record talk, let's see some pics and videos of this thing in action! Sounds like a good solid build, good work MAP.

Here is the video. MAP 800HP

scheides 02-09-2010 11:28 AM

Re: MAPerformance / First to break 800whp barrier on stock Evo ECU!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kasey at map (Post 323680)
here is the video. map 800hp


ftfy!


Matt D. 02-09-2010 01:23 PM

Re: MAPerformance / First to break 800whp barrier on stock Evo ECU!
 
Very nice. I wonder how it would be autocrossing. ;)

turbotalon1g 02-09-2010 01:25 PM

Re: MAPerformance / First to break 800whp barrier on stock Evo ECU!
 
^who cares, I wanna see this thing roll.


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