I think I found it.
 

Well I think I found out what the deal was with my car. I took the timing cover off and put it on TDC and saw that the timing was off. When shane from db put my cam gear on the right way it must have not been on TDC because the timing is off 4 degree ( 4 teeth) on both cams. I need to put it back together and we will see it that were my power loss was from. Now that I now that there is no boost leak so we will see.

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4 degrees, meaning 1 tooth? My cams were both off 1 tooth in opposite directions when I did my timing belt and the car didn't feel any different afterward.

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sorry no 4 tooth

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Any bent valves?

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no

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4 teeth is plainly obvious and I'd have to imagine the car wouldn't run well like that. I would bet money that it wasn't directly Shane's doing. You said the timing belt tensioner was bad previously, what makes you think that this isn't again related to that? How many teeth off were the cams when you bent the valves before?

http://www.mitsustyle.com/forums/sho...919#post319919

I've always heard that anything more than 2 teeth off can cause valve damage, so hopefully that isn't the case with you. If there were bent valves then a leak down test would show that.

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Holy crap, was the crank pulley off a full tooth or what? That seems crazy dude. Didn't you say you did a leakdown test? I don't think I remember you actually posting up the numbers and results.

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Are you looking at the right marks? The car wouldn't run with it 4 teeth off and the valves would be bent.

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yeah 4 teeth is like an inch off, probably something like 10 degrees. and if your tensioner was bad, and you knew that it was bad, i wouldnt go around blaming shane.

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I am NOT blaming shane I would never do that. I am just saying that's what I found.

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I did the number were 158-158-160-160

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That is compression. What about leak down?

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I look at it again and it off by 3

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Sorry that was the compression.

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Right, what about leak down numbers?

Are you SURE the crank pully mark is exactly at TDC? Which direction are the cam marks off?

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What about leakdown? I say give shane a day or three to troubleshoot it man, he is *extremely* good at getting to the root of problems like this. Then you'll know what the problem is, can get time to get it fixed, and be ready to have some fun this spring/summer :D

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I pulled the timing cover off to see the mark on the crankshaft sensing blade was on the timing mark on the oil case. When I put it on TDC the cam gear were advanced buy 3 teeth.

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Any chance you got a good camera with a macro lense, take a few pics just to verify? Might help just so there's no question.

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Sorry, i didint mean to sound like i was jumpin all over ya. Just sounded to me like you were saying "Well shane was the last one to touch it...."

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Is there good tension on the belt itself? or is it loose?
If you could line up the crank pulley with the tdc mark and take a pic of the cam gears that would be much more helpful.

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Take the picture with a piece of paper or something straight as well, helps show if they are lined up. Do the evo's have the dowels on the cam gears like DSM's do? Are those pointing straight up as well along with the crank pulley showing tdc?

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I will take some pics when I get off work tomorrow. I have to go to bed I get up at 5am for work.

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He wasn't blaming me. I was the last one to touch the cam gears when I moved the cam gears on the dyno from the DSM dowel pin hole to the Evo dowel pin hole, which ended up picking up some decent top end power, but it was still way down on power and motor was making weird noises(probably the idler pulley he found). Best bet might be to put some stock cam gears on it and line everything up properly/tension it properly with the timing belt cover off.

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Yep, identical, except the timing marks on the cam gears are angled up on the top of the valve cover.

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That sounds pretty nice to have. I suppose a dsmer could do the same thing by just lining up the timing marks normally then making his own marks on the valve cover. May eliminate some confusion and make it easier to line up the cam gears properly.

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It's okay I guess, but definitely better than worrying if you have your straight edge across the cam bolts actually straight or not.

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Here are the pics this at TDC and the cam gears are for a evo or a dsm.
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/h...e/102_3330.jpg
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/h...e/102_3331.jpg
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/h...e/102_3332.jpg
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/h...e/102_3333.jpg

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How your car is running is beyond me. Has it always been like this or what?

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Yea, thats way off. Was the mark on the crank pulley lined up somehow and not the one on the sprocket? The cam marks and crank pulley marks were all lined up correctly after I moved the cams gears to the correct dowel holes.

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Let's play a game called get some stock cam gears on there, stat. Or, at least get a set you can use as reference, that is just redonk dude.

Seriously, how on earth does the car even run? Is there something else going on here we don't know about? DSM Cams in it or something crazy?

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I am willing to trade my cam gear's for stock one's.

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I think my timing belt is loose that's why it moved. It has nothing to do with what you did.

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I just noticed you are missing a nut on one of the adjustment bolts on the intake cam gear also. I know you bought the car like this, but I wonder how the hell cam gears get so beat up like that??!?! Reminds me of the Greddy type S that was on my car when I got it, it was so beat up it looked like it fell off the car somehow and went tumbling down the road. Not sure how a BOV would get all beat up either...

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Your crank sprocket must have skipped 2 teeth, equaling 4 teeth on each cam. Judging by that last pic it definitely seems possible, looks like the belt is trying to skip again, so loose.

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definitly reset the TDC, have the tensioner checked or replaced, then do a leakdown test to verify that the valves are not bent.

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I got the car back together and it runs good. but now there is a knock under load from 2000 to about 4000 rpm and the knock goes a way when there is no load on the motor. That one noise went away to with the new idler pulley that I put in. I plan on hooking my lad top to it and see what is going on with the knock.