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4g63t modded estimated awhp?
not sure if this is in the right section or not but here it goes..i was jw what u guys thnk i should be gettn at the wheels..
1g 6bolt 4g63t: small 16g ported o2 housing tubular manifold full exhaust fmic kit intake Apexi Safc- tuned E85 550cc-650cc injectors walbro 255 lph lmk what ya guys think thanks guys! |
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I think you should be running premium with those injectors. Way too small with e85
FPR? Do you have an O2? data logger of some sort? Are all of these installed? but just based on the turbo, eh 325ish They are nice turbos. I put mine through quite a bit before she blew. |
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It all depends on what dyno you are talking about. On a good tune (by Shane)on DB's dyno, maybe 265-285 range on E85(if the injectors are big enough as Andrew said), probably in the low 200's with pump. MAP's dyno has read anywhere from 12-18% higher than that.
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no data logger im using a safcll..what about some 850'c as injectors?
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oh forgot to mention the car will run on 15psi for daily driving
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really depends on the tune and condition of the motor as well. Could be less than 200whp for all we know. Never know until you strap it on. Since it says you are in siox falls, try to find a local place to bring it to.
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well the motor is going to a shop this weekend its for my project its gettn new pistons rods etc..its pretty much gettn a rebuild so the motor will be fairly new..we have a shop here in town with a good reputation Excessive Autosports i was thinkin of just havin it done here by joey
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Based on my expirence, im going to say 250 or less at the wheels. Mainly because of the SMALL 16g and the 15psi. When i had my small 16g on my last 2g, after spoolup it seemed to basically fall off on the power, (butt dyno). This was with 680cc injectors. on this 1g that i just bought, once i get it running, im not really sure how long it will keep the Evo 3 16g turbo on it, im used to much bigger turbos and i feel like im going to get the itch and upgrade. But ive never had an evo 16g on my car so who knows.
Some of the more effective mods to help your setup: Bigger turbo, even if its an evo 16g or 50 trim. Heavier clutch to transfer the power from the crank to the wheels better. Bigger injectors 2.5" FMIC Piping (if not already there) Cams SMIM Those are just some items that will give you a definite increase in power. After that you are looking in the range of the low to mid 300s. |
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If you're running e-85, at the least run 880 injectors. I really don't think a SMIM is necessary. Plenty of people making a lot of power on stock intake manifolds. I liked my small 16g turbo, made quite a bit of power (but dyno, also had hks 264's) but I was also running 20psi, that was spiking to 24psi. I'd say a ported s16g, with adequite fuel, could make high 200's at db. It's still gonna be very fun to drive, mine sure as hell was. But at 15psi, expect mid 200's. Oh need to add a wideband to that list.
Btw-have that front mount still, I can take pics today. |
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My brother's blue car had a very similar setup for a while, but with a clipped big 16g and comp 101200 cams. On pump gas, untuned and pig-ass rich (9:1) it made 211whp at like 18psi. With a propper S-AFC tune I'm sure it would have made more like 235-240whp.
http://www.scheides.com/albums/mitsu...6667.sized.jpg Those injectors and the S-AFC won't do E85 worth isht, you'll need dsmlink and ~850's or something for that. I would expect 280whp or so pretty easily. All of these numbers are on DB's dyno dynamics, which does read pretty low, and assuming you get a good tune done. |
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For comparison, this is the dyno sheet from my old 16G setup on my 1g:
Hahn Super 16G (8cm^2 exhaust housing) -FMIC -650's -FMIC -3" exhaust -MBC -272's -walbro 255lph -bunch of other things also, but these are the basics. This was on 91 octane at 23 psi on DB's Dyno Dynamics http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g2...t/DSMDyno1.jpg http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g2...t/DSMDyno2.jpg http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g2...t/DSMDyno3.jpg |
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dyno graphs are measured at the wheels. i would say around 20 ish psi. give or take a few depending on how your car reacts to everything.
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Your whp numbers will also depend a lot on the brand of dyno used and whether it's dynoed AWD or FWD. You would see a good 20-20% higher numbers on Excessive's Dynojet with the car converted to FWD than an AWD Dyno Dynamics.
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I made 210 awhp with a simular setup on pump
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I remember sleepydsm made 210 with his 14b,stock cams, around 20psi and maf-trans.
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aight..how about 20 psi, 850cc injectors, e85, n a very good safcll tune? maybe around 250ish?
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Its possible.. 800's are still kinda small for e85 though
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again, safc isn't meant for 850cc You will be disappointed IMO
an SAFC is meant just for those 550-650 get a 2g mas with those injectors and tune out with the safc you are pretty well setup for pump gas! Save your money for DSMlink and upgrade later when something blows I loved my S16g when it was working and when I had a similar setup. Then I threw 272hks A standalone system E85 1150cc I think I maxed it out... It was instant spool and I loved it I hate the turbo that I have on it now. Laggy... Stupid free v trim... |
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850's will be just fine. 95tsi is maxing the shit out of his e316g (30 psi, 40lbs/min) on a 2.3 and has 880's. Maybe he can chime in on what his injector duty cycles look like.
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You can't ever have a very good SAFC tune, since all it does it trick the ECU by modifying the MAS signal. It can't change the ignition timing directly(it does indirectly, often not in the way you want), it can't scale the injectors correctly, it can't adjust the revlimiter, it can't get rid of fuel cut, etc. You can usually get a decent enough with 550s and an SAFC on pump gas or 750-850cc on E85 though. You might want to get some cams. A low compression stock 1G motor with a 1G head and a small 16G isn't going to make amazing power or anything.
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850cc aren't that small if he's sticking with the small 16g. You could easily get 300whp out of those injectors on e85.
Edit: I guess everyone else already said this while I was typing. |
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aight..dam alot of info lol thts y i love this site haha..but newayz dnt really have the $ for a dsmlink right now..what u guys i suggest i do with the mod list i have now?
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Look to be setup pretty good for pump gas right now, but if you want to go with E85, I'd say 272's, Link, and 850cc+ injectors.
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DSMLink Lite is $345 or less. I do chip tunes on the dyno for less than the cost of getting an SAFC and dyno tuning it also. You will need to do something about your MAS though too. Either a 2G MAS or hack the shit out of your 1G MAS. You can max out a stock 1G MAS on the stock 14B turbo.
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aight how about since i cant afford a dsmlink right now ill leave it on pump gas for now..so the most i could prly get without e85 is around 220ish?
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You could still use E-85, just have shane tune your car and burn you a new chip. Then save for Link. |
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i was plannin on havin joey at excessive autosports tune it
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im confused on what to do now lol cant make up my mind
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550 or 650cc Your SAFC will be fine on pump gas and the combo of a 2g mas with 550cc injectors (2g mas sees 10% LESS air then a 1g mas. Put in 550 injectors will yeild you 20% MORE fuel and then use the SAFC to correct the 10% difference correcting using the safc for 10% isn't that bad. Probably run like stock. People just use the 550+2g mas just by them selves without safc and some are fine. 650 will have a 30% increase of fuel 2g mas sees 10% less air meaning you have to tune out 20% with the safc, which can be done... but doesn't run quite right. There is nothing wrong with pump gas. I would wait for a bigger turbo before hitting the E85 unless you want to fully max out that S16g hope I didn't confuse you but just showing you what you have for options PS you may be thinking you want 300 or more horsepower, however take it down to the track you will forsure hit 12s in which is one quick car then for minimal mods... In my experience with E85, you can't get the full benefit of it unless you have a standalone. You have to adjust the timing tables (which SAFC doesn't do) and other things before you really see the benefit of 100~ oct. Plus it changes in the winter (which I haven't seen too much of a change but I haven't driven my car that much) so you need something to tune before switching. Some people will disagree with me about needing standalone but this is just my opinion. |
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1/4 mile times are largely based on the best mod of all, the driver mod. I've ran a 12.24 on a big 16g with 550cc inj. SAFC I ACT 2600 clutch and big exhaust. But some people are scared to launch their cars hard, or short shift cause they think its gonna blow.
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Once that is answered we can tell you what you need for your car. Want to be in the 12, 11, 10s We have all sorts of answers for that. :nod: Or do you want just a fast street car. We have answers for that too. :drive1: |
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lol pretty much a fast street car..with that setup i was talkn about i was hopin for mid 13's..
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I really liked my small 16g set up (safc, evo 560cc injectors, hks 264's, fmic, exhaust, etc). Really quick spool, buy had jack sh*t for top end. It was definately fun, I beat some big 16g cars (was 2g gst, farting around on the freeway), with a driveway tune lol. I never really got it dialed in. If you just want a fun street car, you can have that with the set up listed. I used only 93 ultimate, ran like 24psi, with it awd 1g.
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I'm sure 272s, e316g, dsmlink and you've got a pretty sweet ride. The Galant is more than fun with just the e316g...can't imagine it with 272s, e-85, 1000cc injectors, dsmlink. I'm sure with mods you get, the car should be in the high 12s...but it is ALL driver mod.
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k..so do i have a pretty decent setup?
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Yeah, I know a person on here that ran low 12's in a AWD all day long on a small 16g, E-85 would unlock more power than 92 oct, but its up to you whether to buy the 255lph pump and ~880cc sized injectors or not. I guarantee that once you have that setup running right you will have fun with it, I miss the boost snap in 1st from the AWD's. Hell Alpha D's car with like 8psi feels fast compared to my fwd.
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yea i thnk im going with 880cc injectors with the walbro fuel pump n e85 n the setup i was talkn about
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