http://www.freep.com/money/autonews/mits13...13_20040413.htm

Interesting story... Mitsubishi gets out of debt and Daimler Chrysler owns the majority of the company. What's next, a 4G63 powered Neon and a 6G72 Stratus?

just like in the 90's

That was Jackie Chan's fault.

actually, the stratus that i have has the 6g72 engine in it :)

-E

Now would be a good time to invest some $$$.

invest in which one?

:secret: Could it be Satan? :dsmrule: :fworld: :dsmrule:
http://www.danacarvey.net/images/churchlady02.jpg

HA HA! The Church Lady will never get old.

And I already have a chrysler powered Eclipse, woohoo!!!


Wait, ahh damnit...me and my neon power :headache:

There are books written about the merger between Chryslem and Benz. Benz took over management and alot of the tech stuff. Chrysler cars have become much nicer since. Maybe a little Benz influence of Mitsu could yeild a fire breathing turbo, awd, plush leather and wood that lasts? Might the Turbo Lebaron return as a rebadged EVO? But with Kompressor badged on the side? Will the Galant loose those horrible headlights? Tune in next week. :ohmy:

Ironic. I'd say Mitsu's fall would be due to Chrysler, pre-benz era. The trannies, the moldings, everything else but the motor. I test drove the Stratus R/T, Sebring LXi, and Eclipse GTS, and the GTS sold me because of the better HP rating and quick (relative term) acceleration. In my opinion Chrysler ruined Mitsu in the US, and it's just ironic that they're shackin up in the sack... :goodluck:

damn those trannies ... HAHAHA

Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't the Stratus R/T the same as the V-6 Eclipse? I believe they have the same engine, tranny, and chassis with the differences being you can get a convertable Eclipse or a 4-door Stratus.

they have IDENTICAL engines/tranies

the only difference is about 70 to 120 pounds in the chassy and few extra details on the sebring/stratus that eclipses don't have
and eclipses had the spyder unlike Stratus.

The Coupe is the only thing of the stratus or sebring i'm talking about. the 4 door versions had 2.7 chrysler engines, not mitsu.

-E

Don't blame everything on Chrysler. Mitsu has never been able to build a good transmission...they really should out-source to Honda or something. Other Mitsu cars, like late-90's Gaylants are just huge pieces of shit too. I think they were the best looking sedans in their market, but they were just cheaply built and fell apart.

Getrag

The 3/S guys don't much care for those things either. Seems like the cones in them go out just as often as our synchros do...and they are a lot harder to work on.

The Eclipse GTS has a different intake plenum, different camshafts, 6 disc, 7 speaker 200 Watt stereo, and 10 more horsepower than the Eclipse GT, and 20 more than the Stratus R/T. The Eclipse GTS also has a Timing and Lift Controller called MIVEC (Mitsubishi's Innovative Variable Timing and Lift Electronic Control.) It's VTEC. It also comes in the GS SOHC 4G64. Not exactly identical. Don't know about you guys with your cars, but with intake and a clutch, I ran 15.0@94. Not bad for a 3700 lb N/A pile of japo-american crap. :bounce:


It's like a 3S, without all the cool stuff.

Correct me if I'm wrong on these numbers:

2003 Stratus R/T - 190hp
2004 Stratus R/T - 200hp
Chrysler Sebring LXi - 190 hp
Eclipse GT and Spyder GT - 200
Eclipse GTS and GTS Spyder -210

Outsourcing is the way of life these days it seems

The Chevrolet Malibu max and Saturn Vue Redline come with the 3.5 VTEC V6

Saab 9/3 Station wagon is a Subaru Impreza, the rest of the Saab 9/3 turbos are the Chevrolet 2.2 Ecotec Turbo

No one builds an all around great car unless it's hand made, they ACTUALLY think things out and it's not mass production, or costs way too much.

the reason they are in the trouble they are in is because when sales sucked in the 3rd gen model they loosened the credit policys and let everyone and their mother get financed and half the owners defaulted on the loans and mitsu was like "oh shit" the dsmers were like "ha ha " i was like "really" this girl i knew was like "yeah..... ok" and my friend brothers ex girlfriends grandma was like "oh dear"........

The 3/S guys don't much care for those things either. Seems like the cones in them go out just as often as our synchros do...and they are a lot harder to work on. [/b][/quote]
Getrag trannies are some of if not the best OEM transaxles out there. Almost all of the big auto companies higher Getrag to design there transmissions in their higher performance vehicles. Mercedes, BMW, GM, Ford, Etc. A lot of auto manufacturers just label their Getrag designed transmission as their own. For instance, GM labels their 5-speed as muncies as thats where they are built, but they were designed by Getrag. Most of the US auto manufactures use Isuzus or in-house trnsaxles in the weak stuff, Getrags in the more powerful stuff.

The only real downfall to Getrags is that they are hard to rebuild are the parts are usaully expensive or scarce and the rebuild tooling is completely different than most of the big auto manufacters in the US. GM, FORD, DODGE/CHRYSLER use Getrags in their high performance transaxles. SRT-4, PT Turbos, Shelby Daytonas, Focus SVTs, any v6 transaxle from GM. BMW I think uses them exclusively, Mercedes has them in a lot of their cars. In Europe Getrags are in everything so any tranny shop can rebuild them, over here it can be tough.

The 3S Getrag is a decent tranny, the problemm is Mitsu didn't have it overbuilt. My Fiero Getrag tranny holds up very well to 400+ Ftlb V8s , 3800SCs, Northstars, etc. Those transaxles were overbuilt.

yes you are, i have Stratus R/T 2001
and the numbers on that are 200hp 205tq

WOW, I keep reading alot of bashing about the Mitsu trans, but how many other car companies make transmissions that can take more than 3-4 times the amount of HP/TQ it was designed for? They seem pretty reliable to me. Mitsu is suffering from "GTSUS" (God That's Some Ugly Shit) designs and alot of warranty repairs with poor treatment and attitude towards their customers who bought there cars. How many people do you know who were declined a warranty repair due to some b.s. excuse?

I'd blame any of Mitsubishi's money problems on Tom and his warranty.

I agree.

I love my tranny now that it has been race-built by BM. At 145k the stock one was still doing just fine...seems the AWD guys have a lot more problems, but I guess that is to be expected.

I rebuilt my tranny 1.5 years ago... satan did it because that was before I knew about other people around hear that could do it with upgraded parts in it... so I got screwed. Only thing I can complain about DSM trannies grind sometimes... and Reverse is ussually a bitch.

Other than that I think the tranny is fine "stock" If you dont beat on it and take care of the tranny then you shouldnt have any problems getting alot of miles out of it... but who around here doesnt smash the gears every so often :3gears: