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Follow link for whole explanation. http://www.mitsustyle.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24912

Now i have another problem of concern....The problem with the wheel-bearing(s) I don't feel obligated to return the custom white wheels to chim...The reason for that is when i bought the car i was promised nothing was wrong with the car except for the intake manifold that needed to be swapped. I have a contract stating the car was in good working conditioned. Signed by both parties. As everyone can see it turned out to be a lot more then just the intake manifold. The whole hassle of spending hour after hour figuring out what the problem was with the car. I understand the car was sold as is...well if the car was sold as is 3 custom wheels came with the car. Not to mention the problem with the reverse gear. I will most likely need to purchase new shifter cables in order to get a appropriate length.

Next the stock wheels that i received are in very bad condition simply put 1 of them is not usuable. The other one wont work until a new tire is bought.

Granted stock wheels might be cheap tires are not. I have spend close to Four hundred in parts. Not including a new set of tires and rims.

As already mentioned i dont feel obligated to return the wheels. The same as chim did not feel obligated to give me a refund. I want to know what fellow forum members think about this situation.

I will have to purchase new bearings for both front sides. I have not checked the rear, but i assume they will need attention as well. The thread left on the custom wheels are less then 50%

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Alright, guys, Alpha D is obviously one siding this to an annoying extent.

Sold the car, told him the WHAT I KNEW at the time of sale to him. I had 3 of my Enkei's on there because I figured that he would return them, and I would give him the steelies.

We said that the enkei's were extra to the cost of the car, and he would be getting the steelies. I DID say that the steelies did NOT hold air.

Now that I already gave him the steelies, he won't give me my damn rims back, because he feels like I wronged him.

I seriously don't have time for him acting like a kid and feeling like he's justified in taking my rims.

Just because he doesn't feel "obligated" because new things came up, doesn't mean that he can keep them.

Seriously, he bought a DSM, and now thinks that every problem other than what I mentioned must be linked back to me. The wheel bearings are my fault? Thanks.

Learn to spell, give me my rims back.

If any of the members on this forum have any sense, they would be fustrated as hell in my shoes too, when I've been trying to help Alpha trouble shoot from day one.

The engine was picked up from guys on this forum, WE installed it, and did assembly other than the longblock and head being together.

I even went so far today as going to NAPA, getting my original receipt for him so he can exchange the battery in the car under warranty.

Seriously, his arguement of "wheels as compensation" can go to hell.

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Sounds to me like you guys need to roushambou and whoever is still standing gets their way.

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Heck i would tear that kid apart!!! That is how freaking angry i am! I need the key to get your ""custom wheels off". Chim:I am busy i work. Dude i gotta get this car running. Chim: Come see me after work. Year right at like 11PM. Chim: Hey alpha why don't you come get your stuff after school. I drive all the way from freaking Bloomington to Little Canada get there where is my stuff not there...I call him....Chim: Oh i am sorry i called my dad and he put the stuff back inside the garage...Like dude what the heck is wrong with you!!! Did you fall on your head or something?!

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Sounds like you both owe each other a couple beers.

The level this has escalated to is pretty ridiculous, but honestly, unless the wheels not being part of the sale was in writing, he's pretty much on the honor system for it, unless you get cops involved and show them this thread.

Seriously, Alpha, this is how DSMs work. One thing after another breaks when they change hands, you find shit out after you buy it, and you live and learn. First rule of thumb is generally to buy something that runs unless it's specifically going to be a project car.

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I'm not pissed to that point. I seriously just want my rims back.

Blah... I hate the internet.

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Cop's don't sound to bad at this point! I would of already filed the complaint!!! If i didnt put so much money into the car! I talked to a lawyer. Yet we are all forum people. This is not some stupid local forum where a bunch of idiots gather, and try to talk smack about each other. People on the forum should be able to take each others word. Not having to question them pretty much interrogating each other. Making sure they get consistent answers! Telling me i did a boost leak down test! Never realized that the inter cooler was crap! Funny to how you said the seals needed to be rebuild when you, and your brother had just replaced them. Chim your story's don't add up man they dont. I was not angry at all until 2 night!!! When every freaking lug nut i took of got stuck in the socket lol. Cause you were to lazy to find the key for the wheels!!!!

Hahah and sorry maybe a sunday at Micky D'z I dont drink....yet lol ^_^

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Alpha, I'm not so much pissed as fustrated, so don't get me wrong. It's a late night, I'm sick with the H1N1, and typing a paper.

I did do a leak down test. While testing I did not notice that intercooler was leaking. I did find a leak from the throttle body area.

If I sound somewhat irriate, it is because I need those rims back soon for my brother's Eclipse GSX.

On the note of forum members, I really do want you to know that I did not intentionally leave out any details. For example, when you said that comment regarding the ecu wiring? I had no idea about that. What made me angry was that you wrote in a way that made it appear that I knew about that problem!

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cmspaz things dont brake if the car is not TOUCHED AT ALL! The car was not driven!!! Unless of course DSM are so fragile if you pop the hood...vacuum leaks pop out of no where trannys start crapping out....then i would understand and let all this simple go....

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Everyone is in the wrong here.

Chim - You sold a crap car and mislead the buyer regarding the issues it had, simple as that. You should have never left your wheels on that car but you did so now you might as well write them off b/c you have no claim to them as things stand.

Alpha - You're in way over your head. You bought what was basically a non-running DSM with no research on your part and not much knowledge regarding these cars. Like I tell everyone new to the DSM game, buy a decent condition stock car thats runs/drive nicely relative to its age. Used cars will always need maintenance whether they're 2 years or 20 years old and honestly $400 isn't that much in the big picture. My advice, piece it together the best you can and sell it off as a project car for someone with more DSM experience to dissect and buy yourself a stock running 1G.

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Sent you a PM, Kracka.

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$400!!! Well if you say so kracka. You might be right maybe i am in over my head. For the most part i think i did ok for never have ever owned a DSM. A Car is car they all pretty much work under the same principle. My whole point is how is it possible to be all about ask forum people this ask forum people that. Conducting all kinds of tests yet you cant not see the obvious???!!! No matter how i think about it i cant understand.

Granted without car psycho i would be out an additional $460 making it a total of $860 at that point it gets kind of ridicules. Spending hours figuring out all possibility why the car wont run right!

For the entertainment of people reading this. When i did the compression test! I got a reading of 100-1st cylinder 100-2nd cylinder 115-3rd cylinder and 120-4th cylinder. Now this might be due to the fact fuel washed all the oil away from the walls. Therefore giving a low compression reading. Due to the fact the cylinders are not properly sealed. I assume chim never did a compression test neither!

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For comparison, I paid $1900 for my last DSM ('92 Laser AWD) and immediately after buying it I put ~$500 into the car as preventative maintenance. These cars are nearing 20 years old and many of them have been modded and beaten for at least half their lives so maintenance and repairs are to be expected.

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Hey you need wheels back right???!! How about i give you those BUSTED DOWN SWIRLY's BACK! I love how you are telling people they are for your brother....When you told me they are suppose to be your track wheels for your VR-4??!! Hmmmm right there that shows you are two faced man AGAIN!!

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I'm two faced? Thanks.

I planned to use them as a backup set of track wheels, but at the current moment, my brother needs a complete set of rims for his GSX this winter.

That's not called being two faced.

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Definitely kracker that makes a lot of sense! The whole reason why i bought the car was because my budget was 3000$ Well I am at 2400! With quite a bit of more stuff to come! Simple buy your wheels back or kiss them goodbye. Or come up with a better solution those are my conditions to a fair settlement.

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Enough arguing. This whole situation is a mess, you're both winding up losers in the deal, lets keep all future postings to figuring out how you two are going to handle this situation. You both know my advice. You both made promises in this deal and neither of you are holding up your end of the bargain.

Chim - You yourself say the car was sold as-is which is fine, but as-is includes the wheels it was rolled away on.

Alpha - Sounds that that engine is junk. I don't know what to tell you, you bought a DSM without a good inspection or a test-drive.

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another comparison, i paid 5k for my 91, kid told me it was pushing some oil past the valve seals, turns out the turbo was shot, then i was told i would get a little cash, plus new shocks (forgot to pick up with the car), when the kid came to the cities.

never heard a thing from him, ended up spending around 1200 on the car within the first couple weeks of having it.

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Telling a complete different story on the forums or with holding detail is being two faced. Your brother needs wheels right? He can have the swrly's!

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i agree with kracka, i think it would be best if the both of you just cut your losses, leave each other alone, and chalk it up to a lesson learned.

there is just alot of "he said this, and he said that" weather its true or not, its still one's word vs the others, and unless its on paper, just let it go

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If your brother needs wheels come pick up the swirlys. I will give back your white wheels for $200. According to you, those bent wheels can hold air, so it shouldn't be a problem. :rolleyes:

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I uploaded this for Alpha simply as something for people to look at. I'm in no way speculating on the legality of it.

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My part IS ON PAPER! That dsm is not in good working condition! I wanted my money back he wouldn't return it. I asked nicely still NO! He wants his wheels back i want my money back, plus all that i have put into it. Until then he is not getting his wheels back!

For clarification Pick:
- Refund at least $200 In order to receive the (white) wheels
-Return full payment of car plus money invested (I have receipts for everything)
-Those two are your options
If you have something better something sensible let me know.

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x2 I agree, work something out with the whole wheels issue via PM, phone, telegraph, smoke signal, whatever and leave it at that.

Also, the english is seriously lacking in this thread, we aren't english teachers here, but for crying out loud this is rediculous.

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How does this sound? My brother gets back in town on the 3rd of December. We will meet up in personal and discuss this all together in person.

That way, everyone can explain their side of the story outside of the forum.

I don't want an e-brawl. I still feel I'm entitled to the rims, but we will talk.

For now, hold on to the white rims.

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Great idea, discussing face-to-face will be far more productive.

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A car I had back in the day would leak oil and coolant into the exhaust and had real low compression due to extended head bolts. I would pull them all out and measure them to make sure they are in spec.

I dont know off the top of my head how long they should be, but you can look it up in the factory service manual. After making sure they are all ok, torque the head back down exactly as shown in the FSM.

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I would have to say that he shouldn't have to be responsible for the money you have put into repairs. IF he absolutely did not know to the best of his knowledge that the repairs you did were needed.

If not, then you two should probably negotiate something for that also. Possibly split the cost? (just a suggestion)

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All this goes back to taking his word for what he claims again! We all know it did not turn out well the 1st time i took his word for it. I already cut my looses in paying for gas, tool rental, etc! If he was willing to split the bill. Hey that is fine with me.

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here's my take on it. chim you sold it as is claiming it was in good working order. as is would be with the wheels. and alpha you bought a non running car with out checking it out properly. to both of you tough live and learn and move on.

and alpha as for a whole $400 into your car that is nothing I have many thousands into fixing up my car and many to go and many others have a lot more than me into their car. so for now you're not too bad off

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$400 wouldn't be bad at all! If i didnt have to spend another $400 finishing the car!

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You both should just drop this and leave it alone. I bought a $20,000 dollar Evo and had to put money into it right away! And I was told it was perfect! I bought the damn car from a kid on this forum. I never said a word about it tho. Shit goes wrong! I do feel bad for you Alpha D really I do! It happened to me too, but I just let it go and moved on. I'd be willing to help you anytime with your car. I dont know that much about them, but im all up for learning!

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well shit if everyone gets to put their 2cents in i guess i might too.

Chim: i hear ya on this deal. I get paranoid anytime i go out to work on someones car or sell parts. Many times i turn into the go to guy about how to fix anything or why things break. It makes it to easy to point the finger at me if anything goes wrong even though im just trying to help people out. Knowing that dsms can be frustrating and that owners can get frustrated over things you shouldnt have left your rims with him. this crap can happen and he can be stubborn. to make it easy yo umight want to call it a loss an let them go. meeting face to face will probably be the same here where you each hold your views and dont want to change.

Alpha: not all cars are the same. DSMs and especially 1gs are mechanic specials. They hold boost great but they break left and right. I agree with everyone your in over your head. You need to stop blaming others. the car is now yours and you need to accept that and do what you can with it. there is forums and write ups on how to fix anything, but you got to get your hands dirty and do the woork yourself. i would be living in a cardboard box if i didnt do my own work. You need to move past the transaction. with the wheels this is up to you. to be the bigger man i would return them. it shows you know the right thing to do, that usually repays itself in life. it just seems childish to hold them cause your mad. the help is here but you got to move past the transaction.

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I bought my last dsm pretty cheap, but $400 isn't shit. These cars are OLD does that not register with some people?
Alpha:you bought a car, without driving it, and not knowing enough coming into it. Stephen (no offense), is by no means a dsm expert, and from my experience, doesn't act that way. It's vehicle maintenence, and you are in no way entitled money back for the maintenence done, because you now own the car, and are financially responsible for repairs. If it was a car that you drove home, had for a day after a test drive, was told it was in great working order, then these problems happen, then I'd be upset. But that's not the case, you bought a none driving dsm, tough luck.

Chim:at least youre working things out.

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Heres where the problem lies

Person who isnt smart enough to inspect the car, drive the car, or wait till the car is running to test drive the car, and is lacking the knowledge to fix a car, purchases a car from someone who is eager to sell the car.

Its in the best interest and responsibility of the seller to get the most money out of what hes selling, and its in the best interest and responsibility of the buyer to get the most out of his money, of what hes buying.

Alpha, you did not make a responsible purchase. Quit bieng a baby and move on, use your energy to fix your car instead of sobbing over the irresponsible purchase you made and you will come out far ahead.

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I can't believe I clicked on this thread. Can we ban them both?

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Sure, Payban away :D

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If I could find a clothes line big enough I would tie your tails together and throw you two over it. '

This thread should be deleted as it is a disgrace to this forum.

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cvd and blizz have the best posts in here.

I can't believe this guy even got out of high school wid hiz mad thaiping skillz yo.

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For future reference to all DSMers here.
NEVER PUT IN WRITING YOU GUARANTEE A DSM TO BE IN GOOD WORKING ORDER. Guarantee and DSM do not belong in the same sentence or even paper.