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scheides 10-20-2009 12:59 PM

New FP Black HTA82 for Evo 8/9--biggest bolt-on turbo yet!
 
Key points:
-spools ever-so-slightly later than the standard FP Evo Red (hta76 comp wheel)
-vastly improved spool compared to a regular hta82 but with 90% the power due to smaller compressor cover means impressive powerband. 300wtq by 4000rpm.
-turbine wheel is 67mm, or 1mm smaller than a standard 35r turbine wheel.
-who knows what it'll do on pump gas, but for a high-octane build by someone willing to upgrade the bottom-end, this thing looks spectacular.
-already has gone 10.4@134mph on E85.

http://forums.evolutionm.net/evo-eng...ml#post7631669

Quote:

Originally Posted by davidbuschur (Post 7631669)
Well there's been a lot of rumors circulating. Speculations and expectations, today the wait is finally over.

FP is nearly ready to release the new EVO Black HTA82.

Specs on the turbo:

68 lb/mn compressor put inside FP's custom compressor cover with surge port. This is the same new cover being used on the Red's that elminate compressor sure and use a 3.25" inlet.

On the turbine side the turbo uses a 67mm turbine wheel, this is 1mm smaller than the GT35r turbine wheel. It uses a modified stock 10.5 EVO turbine housing.

The turbo all comes standard with the heavy duty actuator and the new oil feed line kit. Pricing is set at $1999.

I've been lucky enough to have one for testing and we installed it on Chris's EVO9. The car we used was a full BR build, built shortblock, Stg 3 head, AEM EMS, double pumper, ID2000cc injectors, the car is running regular E85 from a local Sunrise station.

The comparison below is this car on the Red and then on the Black. Yes, some of you will ask "What does it make on a stock car? What does it make on pump gas? What does it make at 20 psi?" My answer before it's even brought up is I don't know until it is done and tested. For now my testing has been on E85, full build and high boost, that's it and any speculation as to what it will make on a lesser set up with less boost will be answered with "LESS POWER AND LESS TORQUE".

Both of the runs below were done at 40 psi of boost. The timing was held consistent and the AFR's (using gas ratios was, 11.8:1 AFR).

The bottom line is the turbo when keeping the tune and boost "the same" was good for 64 whp and 37 ft lbs of torque. As you will see in the graph below the spool up is extremely close with very little lost in low end power. Substantial gains were made from 4500 rpm up.

Here is the dyno sheet:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...r/fpsheet2.jpg

Next I did some additional tuning. The boost was turned up to 41.4 psi, AFR's leaned out just a bit more to 12.0:1 and I added a few degrees of timing. The peak power then rose to 537/522.

Comparing the 537 whp/522 ft lbs to a full build with an HTA35r on a header in an .82 a/r turbine housing on race gas will make as much as 620'ish. The goal of this turbo was to make about 90% of the T3 HTA82, doing the math that means it would need to make 558 whp. The uncorrected graph from this car actually read 550-535. It's right on the money to the goals Robert at FP had.

Now, let's talk spool up. It is incredible. The new FP Black hits 20 psi at 3806 rpm! For comparison, the HTA82 build we did on Eric's car made 616/513 on Q16 at 41.54 psi, that is uncorrected numbers (no smoothing is what I mean, I do not run any corrections on the dyno at all, ever). His car his 20 psi at 4813 rpm, that's almost exactly 1,000 rpm sooner with the Black.

Chris took his car to the track Saturday, I did not know he was going, the plan was to meet him there to final tune the car, I left the car "roughed in" knowing I was going to the track with him. The AFR's were 11.6:1, boost was at 37 psi. Track conditions were not very good and he said he had no traction. Chris is an excellent driver, power shifting SOB is what he is. For the run Saturday he completely lifted to shift and just ran the car. He managed his best time to date, 10.4 at 134 mph.

Reviewing the logs I am fairly certain in good conditions and Chris driving at his best the car can run 9's.

Of course in a lightened, no headlight, no wipers, small brakes etc., equipped EVO we are going to see some really crazy times, sub-9.50's are not going to be a problem.

I've tried to give all the information I currently have. I've done a limited amount of testing on just one car. As more information comes I will share it.


95talonracer 10-20-2009 02:09 PM

Re: New FP Black HTA82 for Evo 8/9--biggest bolt-on turbo yet!
 
seeing all of this fun stuff makes me know that leaving my Evo stock won't happen for very much longer.

turbotalon1g 10-20-2009 05:03 PM

Re: New FP Black HTA82 for Evo 8/9--biggest bolt-on turbo yet!
 
F u guys. Dsmers want some shit too.
For real Looks awesome.

FattyBoomBatty 10-20-2009 05:34 PM

Re: New FP Black HTA82 for Evo 8/9--biggest bolt-on turbo yet!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by turbotalon1g (Post 310582)
F u guys. Dsmers want some shit too.
For real Looks awesome.

Hey, if it doesn't bolt on, and you want it, make it. That's what I've been doing for years! :p

turbotalon1g 10-20-2009 06:52 PM

Re: New FP Black HTA82 for Evo 8/9--biggest bolt-on turbo yet!
 
^lol. I got mine. Its a holset HX35.

blackrosenova400 10-20-2009 06:56 PM

Re: New FP Black HTA82 for Evo 8/9--biggest bolt-on turbo yet!
 
Im considering installing and controlling a HE351VGT holset by next spring.

scheides 10-20-2009 08:45 PM

Re: New FP Black HTA82 for Evo 8/9--biggest bolt-on turbo yet!
 
DSM guys DO have bolt-ons!

I kinda think its time for FP to ditch the color scheme thing. Its nice, but now the have so many turbos...HTA Green, Red, Black...why not call them the FP HTA EVO73, HTA EVO76, and HTA EVO82, like they have the FP HTA DSM82 now. Bolt-on turbos with accurate sizes in the names.

Also, it was said somewhere that this is ONLY a compressor wheel upgrade from the FP Red. The turbine wheel is identical.

turbotalon1g 10-20-2009 09:23 PM

Re: New FP Black HTA82 for Evo 8/9--biggest bolt-on turbo yet!
 
lol. I agree with you.
But if they made a FP Brown, I wouldn't be mad.

goodhart 10-21-2009 01:30 PM

Re: New FP Black HTA82 for Evo 8/9--biggest bolt-on turbo yet!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by blackrosenova400 (Post 310596)
Im considering installing and controlling a HE351VGT holset by next spring.

Those things sound crazy!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgGe1BOZl0I&hd=1

I guess they aren't the most durable though from what I hear they seem to have issues. (At least on diesels, I haven't heard of many peoploe using them on DSM's)

scheides 10-21-2009 02:15 PM

Re: New FP Black HTA82 for Evo 8/9--biggest bolt-on turbo yet!
 
Variable vein? Cool, but guys, is it so hard to make your own thread?

turbotalon1g 10-21-2009 03:20 PM

Re: New FP Black HTA82 for Evo 8/9--biggest bolt-on turbo yet!
 
Making own threads FTL.

Making every thread OT on style FTW!!

ok ok, so when you getting one of these? or are you all turbo'd out?

scheides 10-27-2009 08:34 AM

Re: New FP Black HTA82 for Evo 8/9--biggest bolt-on turbo yet!
 
10.14@136mph


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1lOztnHn7Y&hd=1

Matt D. 10-27-2009 10:39 AM

Re: New FP Black HTA82 for Evo 8/9--biggest bolt-on turbo yet!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by goodhart (Post 310720)
Those things sound crazy!

The microphone was being overloaded and the weird spooling sound was the result. They sound just like any other turbo. :)

1QUICK4 10-27-2009 11:18 AM

Re: New FP Black HTA82 for Evo 8/9--biggest bolt-on turbo yet!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by turbotalon1g (Post 310618)
But if they made a FP Brown, I wouldn't be mad.

:lol:

goodhart 10-27-2009 01:41 PM

Re: New FP Black HTA82 for Evo 8/9--biggest bolt-on turbo yet!
 
Thats some good driving

scheides 11-28-2009 01:46 PM

Re: New FP Black HTA82 for Evo 8/9--biggest bolt-on turbo yet!
 
http://forums.evolutionm.net/evo-dyn...-some-e85.html

Quote:

Originally Posted by BenJ (Post 7749210)
I received my car from Reese Tuning today and as usual they did great work. I will post up the dyno sheet in the morning, but for numbers I put down 448/390 on their mustang dyno at 29 psi and using E85. Full spool was around 3800rpms as well, making this a great turbo for the street and this turbo can very easily make more power. Thanks again to the crew at Reese Tuning! Below are my mods:

Cosworth M3's
Buschur intake
Amsoil air filter
Nisei UICP/LICP and competition intercooler
Buschur TBE w/ test-pipe
GM boost solenoid
Reese tuning intake manifold
mil.spec 65mm TB
Buschur ported exhaust manifold
Fp Black, ported with 25psi wastegate actuator
Buschur double pumper
Precision 1000cc's
EPM O2 housing

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...5/scan0002.jpg

Quote:

Originally Posted by BenJ (Post 7749583)
...I had a couple runs over 520 at 33 and the reason that I had them take some timing out and knock the power back down to 450 was because I'm on the stock block for now. Once my built block comes in then we will push it to the lkimit. The timing is veryconservative for E85 (daily driver, don't want things blowing up) and I will get the exact numbers from the tuner and post them up. And agin..this was on a mustang dyno identical to Buschur's.


scheides 12-08-2009 02:26 PM

Re: New FP Black HTA82 for Evo 8/9--biggest bolt-on turbo yet!
 
http://highboostforum.com/forum/show...p-and-race-gas

30psi (eek!) on pump gas:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...hur/EIpump.jpg

40psi on C16:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...hur/EIrace.jpg




BUT WAIT! There's more!

http://highboostforum.com/forum/show...pump-gas-power

Pump (30psi moar eek! but holy fukballs!):
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...chur/Matak.jpg

scheides 12-08-2009 02:36 PM

Re: New FP Black HTA82 for Evo 8/9--biggest bolt-on turbo yet!
 
I had asked about more conservative boost on pump gas:

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Buschur
Another black, the car made 421 whp on pump gas at 23 psi of boost.


turbotalon1g 12-08-2009 02:40 PM

Re: New FP Black HTA82 for Evo 8/9--biggest bolt-on turbo yet!
 
That nuts, so what is the dsm equivalent? the 3082 thing? or 3076?
I think I have finally learned to be done with bolt-on anyway, but then again I don't see upgrading past this setup unless it is terribly flawed.

BOT: this turbo looks awesome, how does it compare to yours? pretty similar right?

scheides 12-08-2009 03:00 PM

Re: New FP Black HTA82 for Evo 8/9--biggest bolt-on turbo yet!
 
To mine? BBK is ~70mm compressor wheel, this is 82mm! Way bigger.

There isn't really a direct dsm equivalent, because this evo black uses a stock turbine housing, which is twin-scroll. The advantages are pretty obvious on teh bottom-end and mid-range. The closest equivalent would probably be the HTA DSM82, which is what brad is running on his 2G, 500whp @mid30's psi on E85 on what I'm guessing is a mega safe tune since he's still on the stock bottom-end.

turbotalon1g 12-08-2009 07:40 PM

Re: New FP Black HTA82 for Evo 8/9--biggest bolt-on turbo yet!
 
thx for clearing that up.
So when u stepping up?

scheides 12-08-2009 09:46 PM

Re: New FP Black HTA82 for Evo 8/9--biggest bolt-on turbo yet!
 
pfft, it's only December. Lots more cool shit to come out between now and early spring. We'll see what happens in the next few months. As far as I'm concerned, I've been 'stepped up' for the last year almost with the BBK, still waiting for other slow-pokes to catch up! :D

turbotalon1g 12-08-2009 09:52 PM

Re: New FP Black HTA82 for Evo 8/9--biggest bolt-on turbo yet!
 
Lol, I saw I think somewhere else (not sure did a lot of research on stuff) that this black has actually made similar numbers to the new 6262 on the same dyno at very close boost levels.
I must say very good stuff makes me want to buy an evo sadly I dot think I will ever be rid of this DSM.

mlomker 12-11-2009 09:43 AM

Re: New FP Black HTA82 for Evo 8/9--biggest bolt-on turbo yet!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by scheides (Post 315671)
still waiting for other slow-pokes to catch up! :D

No easy task, with the beast that you've built. :1smiley.php:

FattyBoomBatty 12-11-2009 04:40 PM

Re: New FP Black HTA82 for Evo 8/9--biggest bolt-on turbo yet!
 
No easy task? Lemme just slap this quest together quick and it'll be a show down at high noon.

Kracka 12-11-2009 04:56 PM

Re: New FP Black HTA82 for Evo 8/9--biggest bolt-on turbo yet!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by FattyBoomBatty (Post 316003)
No easy task? Lemme just slap this quest together quick and it'll be a show down at high noon.

OK Swifty.

FattyBoomBatty 12-11-2009 05:13 PM

Re: New FP Black HTA82 for Evo 8/9--biggest bolt-on turbo yet!
 
I guess you'll just have to watch the video on youtube

goodhart 12-11-2009 11:21 PM

Re: New FP Black HTA82 for Evo 8/9--biggest bolt-on turbo yet!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kracka (Post 316006)
OK Swifty.


lol

scheides 01-05-2010 10:32 AM

Re: New FP Black HTA82 for Evo 8/9--biggest bolt-on turbo yet!
 
Someone posted comparison pics, vs a stock IX turbo. Holy balls:

http://imgur.com/7YM50.jpg

http://imgur.com/M5VmZ.jpg

asshanson 01-05-2010 10:39 AM

Re: New FP Black HTA82 for Evo 8/9--biggest bolt-on turbo yet!
 
^ links don't work for us non-evom peeps.

scheides 01-05-2010 10:42 AM

Re: New FP Black HTA82 for Evo 8/9--biggest bolt-on turbo yet!
 
Oops, sorry. Fixed.

goodhart 01-05-2010 10:54 AM

Re: New FP Black HTA82 for Evo 8/9--biggest bolt-on turbo yet!
 
Wow that thing is hardly stock appearing anymore, that thing is huge!

Kasey at MAP 01-05-2010 10:57 AM

Re: New FP Black HTA82 for Evo 8/9--biggest bolt-on turbo yet!
 
I agree, I want a Black in a OEM compressor housing ;)

scheides 01-05-2010 11:06 AM

Re: New FP Black HTA82 for Evo 8/9--biggest bolt-on turbo yet!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by goodhart (Post 318228)
Wow that thing is hardly stock appearing anymore, that thing is huge!

You know, this is my biggest gripe with this turbo. Tons of people are calling it 'stock appearing' and I am continually raising a BS flag, no one acknowledges the simple fact that it is NOT stock appearing! Close, yes, but not truely.

Kracka 01-05-2010 11:14 AM

Re: New FP Black HTA82 for Evo 8/9--biggest bolt-on turbo yet!
 
None of the current FP turbos are stock-appearing anymore. The only one that REALLY is would be the BBK; the Tomei ARMS is close though.

scheides 01-05-2010 12:04 PM

Re: New FP Black HTA82 for Evo 8/9--biggest bolt-on turbo yet!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kracka (Post 318240)
None of the current FP turbos are stock-appearing anymore. The only one that REALLY is would be the BBK; the Tomei ARMS is close though.

Closer, yea, but it still has a huge TOMEI sticking out of it! :D

http://cornerbalance.files.wordpress...eiarms7698.jpg

I sincerely hope they don't allow these turbos to compete in the stock-appearing category at events like the buschur shoot-out. Not that I will necessarily be there and competing, but just as a matter of principal. If they do, then they should allow DSMs to run FP Reds or HTA DSM82's, which are bolt-on, but clearly not stock appearing.

Kracka 01-05-2010 12:50 PM

Re: New FP Black HTA82 for Evo 8/9--biggest bolt-on turbo yet!
 
My mistake on the Tomei, that one is no better than the FP turbos!

goodhart 01-05-2010 12:54 PM

Re: New FP Black HTA82 for Evo 8/9--biggest bolt-on turbo yet!
 
Actually the older reds and greens don't look that far off, the white's also. At least the compressor housings anyways.

Stock:
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g1...vo9turbo-1.jpg

Red w/ 63mm comp cover:
http://www.amsperformance.com/cart/i...P/EvoRed_2.jpg

Green:
http://store.forcedperformance.net/m...e=Lancer-Turbo

White:
http://store.forcedperformance.net/m...e=Lancer-Turbo

Kasey at MAP 01-05-2010 12:54 PM

Re: New FP Black HTA82 for Evo 8/9--biggest bolt-on turbo yet!
 
SST should be stock appearing :)

Kracka 01-05-2010 12:57 PM

Re: New FP Black HTA82 for Evo 8/9--biggest bolt-on turbo yet!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by goodhart (Post 318258)
Actually the older reds and greens don't look that far off, the white's also. At least the compressor housings anyways.

The older ones sure, but those aren't being sold anymore :)


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