1990 Eagle Talon TSi AWD
 

The new project begins.

I haven't posted much on this forum before, but here's to some new beginnings.

So a bit on the background before we head straight into everything:

Bought the car last Friday (9-11-09) from a guy who's on the forum.

There's quite some done to it right now, and the engine upgrades aren't going to go too much further other than internal work and machining.

And now I'll get one with it:

ACT 2600 clutch with street disc
255 LPH fuel pump
Small 16G
550s
Greddy Type S
3" exhaust
2G MAF
DSMLink
KYB GR2 struts
Lowering springs (don't know brand)
New tie rod ends
New front brakes
New front axles
Redline fluid in transmission
solid shifter bushings
emissions removed
2G injector clips
new coolant hoses
2G TB elbow
new plug wires
Auto Meter Phantom boost gauge

There's an FMIC kit that he tossed in as well that needs to be put in. Going to wait on that until I actually get some time to do it.

I'll be picking up a wideband soon enough to get some tuning on it and get some more potential horsepower.

I'll post some pictures up later of the body and the engine (512 MB RAM, 1.2 GHz Pent. 3. FAIL)

The goals I have for it, not shooting for a horsepower goal or a 1/4 goal, just shooting for a good build that I'm happy with.

Engine:
Forged pistons
P&P head
1MM valves
Dual springs
Titanium retainers
Cams (though not sure on what I'd like to go with 264/264 maybe?)
Lightweight pulleys
Wire tuck

Drivetrain:
Lighter flywheel (any recommendations?)
4 bolt rear end
Shep/TRE rebuild kit with taller 5th

Brakes:
Slotted rotors front and rear
3/S calipers

Body (here's where the money comes in):
Paint job to stock
Rust taken care of (not too much actually)
Rear wing clips
Passenger side fender
Front bumper

So, that's the basis of the build.
Not too much engine work to be done at all. Sticking with the small 16G, though I might later on upgrade to a Big 16G, but depending on the lag, an EVO 3 16G might take the B16G's place.

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Sounds like you have a very good car to start with and have a lot of plans for it. Good luck with it and have fun!

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So far so good. It's nice to have something that can move down the highway and the backroads really well in comparison, to, well I'll just say it; Geo Metro. Yeah, fail of epic proportions.

Those are the complete plans for it (yeah, right). Oh, quick question, where's the sign-up for the DB meet in October?

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Sounds kinda like my car minus link and plus cams. I have hks 264's, and like them quite a bit.

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Evo 3 turbo all the way!

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What's the lift on those and how's the idle?

I know it's different for every engine, but you wouldn't happen to know what that starts spooling at?

I think before I go with a bigger turbo and more boost I'm going to make sure the bottom end can handle it.
I was told that the engine's pushing, if not slightly exceeding, 300 HP, but that's off of DSMLink and the previous owner telling me and I don't know how reliable Link is at dyno-ing the engine.

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There is no need to build the engine just keep it stock they can hold a ton of power. Ask C3L1CA about it he is making a ton of power on a stock bottom end.

Get a set of hks cams look into 2722's. You can run them on the stock valve springs also

For a flywheel act work great

For a tranny get a basic rebuild with a 4spider diff and you will be ready to go.

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There is no need to build the engine just keep it stock they can hold a ton of power. Ask C3L1CA about it he is making a ton of power on a stock bottom end.

Get a set of hks cams look into 2722's. You can run them on the stock valve springs also

For a flywheel act work great

For a tranny get a basic rebuild with a 4spider diff and you will be ready to go.

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i have hks 272's for sale!!! $300

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I might be getting back to you on that. Gotta take all the bills 'n' shit into account. Damn college being so expensive.

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Nabbed some pictures of the Talon a week or so ago. Have yet to get a good one of the engine. Might pop off the hood to get some better shots. The engine and the bay aren't nearly as clean as the last Eclipse that I had, this one still has yet to be taken care of by me.

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...4G63T/DSM1.jpg

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...4G63T/DSM3.jpg

Figured this would be a good shot courtesy of Plymouth PD.

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...DSMPolice1.jpg

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...T/MyTalon2.jpg

Tires, wideband, and manifold should be ordered this Friday.

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Looks good!! I like 1gas quite a bit, never owned one myself, but that's my favorite color combo.

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do know some one that works for plymouth.

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looks nice!

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Wait...what?

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I've got the head with the springs, retainers and 1mm over valves for sale. I can put some cams in there too if you'd like.

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stock bottom end 4g63 are pretty solid. As for the turbo, it realllllly depends on the Tune but my evo 3 turbo spools right under the 3k rpm, maybe even sooner (2,700rpms) with a couple more refined tuning. DSMLink is also the best engine management system out there for DSMs.

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I think he's saying he knows someone who works for the Plymouth PD. His spelling is pretty bad.

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sorry
do you know some one that works for the Plymouth PD. just seeing since the wife does she might know them

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That is what I was thinking... usually officers don't "pose" for pictures.

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Nope, don't know a single officer anywhere.

lol
Well, it just so happens that I pulled up next to him sleeping in his cruiser so he kind of "owed" the picture to me. He was really cool about it though. Once the three pictures were done I shook his hand and he went off to do whatever cops do.

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Brought my car into the shop at Hennepin Tech to check on the alignment and wow it's horrible.
FL and FR Caster and Camber
RL and RR Camber and Toe

DSM lists front caster and camber as to be non-adjustable so it'll lead to drilling some holes or getting camber plates.

I'd've adjusted the rear camber and toe, however I didn't have time to heat up the bolts and spray PB Blaster on them to get any adjustments down.
The steering rack is also out of whack, time for a new one of those.
FR wheel bearing seems to be going out, so there's a change.

Also noticed that the rear brakes need to be done and should have been done about 5,000 miles ago. Parking brake also needs to be adjusted. Huh boy. Time for some work ahead of me to getting it not looking like a drift set up. Damn camber and tire wear.

Wideband should be ordered pretty soon here at the next pay check so I stop running so damn rich.

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Picked up a wideband today for $160. Yep, used. About 2000 miles on the gauge itself and 200 on the O2 sensor.
Since this is my introduction to tuning, is it necessary to hook up the blue wire (serial) coming out of gauge to the DSMLink serial cord, or can I just let it alone and Link'll do the rest?

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CHeck th4 link wiki for info on hooking up inputs to the ECU.

There are a few choices, i used the baro input.

I would say look into 264/272 combo I have it and I love it, esp since u dont seem to care for a lot of power and want more a street machine.

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Oh heck yeah! SAAWEETT RIDE! Man I wish I could of gotten that two tone color, im not digging that purplish maroon lookn with the silver buttom. Hehe If ya wanna get some cash for your side mount if you still have it HIT ME UP! ^_^

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Yeah, definitely looking for a street machine. Nothing incredible and out there. I think the tops that I'd be going for would be around 400 BHP, maybe a little more to give Vettes a run for their money.
Cams will still be a decision later on though. I was thinking the 264/272s, but brand I don't know which I'd be going with. Definitely want new if I'm doing it.

Yeah, still got the side mount; still attached to the stock piping...Aw, fail.
VR Speed FMIC would be awesome of course, cheap and from what I hear they're decent.

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Wideband is in! Time for a quick tune, set up the SAFC as well just for fun, add in the power inverter (super mega ultra bad battery in the POS Dell), and get her goin'. Also have to wire in the blue wire to the serial port and for that I gotta find the Chilton's.

Any suggestions?

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No one around here talks in BHP, its about WHP. lol.

On flywheels, I've had both popular ones. Fidanza and ACT. I like the Fidanza's replaceable friction surface. I think the ACT is more street appropriate.

I'm making about 450awhp on DB's dyno on a stock bottom end and headgasket 4G63. And it's conservative, reliable HP (at least in my mind). Brad (Cel1ca) is making amazing power on his stock 4G63, but he even knows sooner or later it will go.

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450 on a stock bottom end? Jesus. Looks like I just might be golden.

I guess WHP it is then!

Found out a problem though I'm not sure where it's coming from. Eating up oil pretty good. I have a feeling it's coming from the seals on the turbo, but I haven't looked into it much.

And I've learned that I've got to check for some vacuum leaks given the idle surge.

Also have to grab a new turbo manifold since there's a crack right down the top middle. Anyone have any suggestions that are in a good price range ($300-$450)? Word on the Treadstone Performance manifold?

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A new evo3 mani would be a major improvement. Otherwise the forced performance one is sweet for the money too. Both would be at the lower end of that price range (means more money for other stuff). Tubular is nice for big power but cast is for sure the best bet for reliability.

How much oil are u using and any noticable smoke?

A boost leak test and a squirt bottle with some dishsoap water will find that leak in a snap (plus help clean up any greasy crap).

BTW pretty sweet ride. I gotta say Im a little jealous for how clean it is. Wish my 2g had the lack of rust your 1g does.

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I would in an instant reccommend the FP Race cast manifold. Stock fitment, great flow, and is very reliable. Good price also.

Look online on how to make a boost leak tester, very easy, and one trip to a hardware store.

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x2! i love my fp mani!

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FP Manifold it is! The only thing that I was worried about it was the price; seeing as it's so cheap, then again, it's cast and not really that expensive to produce, fits in the stock location without any terrible modification whatsoever (extend oil feed lines, etc. if applicable). Any numbers on either manifold, Evo 3 and FP?

Already got a boost leak tester, came with the vehicle. I will be doing the dish soap/carb cleaner leak tester pretty soon here, but first I've got to fix the new starting issue (Doesn't Start Much anyone?). Going along the lines of either the starter relay (since it is missing its casing and wrapped in duct tape: FAIL! or the ignition relay; aftermarket alarm system appears to have been installed before I owned the car which could account for a lot of voltage drop across the wires or a huge short to ground with a lot of resistance). Haven't gotten a chance to test it outright as of yet given work today, but tomorrow after work it'll get done and fixed, provided I have the necessary wire.

For how much that it burns, at a rough estimate, I'd say around 2 quarts in three weeks. Waaay too much. Had it been a 1/4 quart in two weeks I could stand, but at the much burning, good lord.

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lol Let's just say I'm decent with a camera. Notice the pictures don't show the passenger side, zip-tied bumper cover, close shot of the rear hatch, roof, interior, wheels, etc. etc.

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bought this car from mitch??

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Yes? I dunno. He goes to HTC. *Shrugs.*

Alright, gotta question. I want to swap in the 450s since the 550s that are in there now, in an untuned engine (wish I could afford it!), suck down waaay too much gas.
So, here we go:
16G
2G MAF
K&N
DeJon Tool UICP
Walbro/Equivalent 255 LPH
Only run 91 octane

I can't tune the engine on my own given it's winter and would be a bitch with the roads as they are, the cold, a vacuum leak, and a cracked manifold. I'd have time to swap the injectors, but don't have the time, nor the garage space right now, and even less money to get everything else up to par. So I'm looking for a decent quick fix that will allow me to save money in the future because of the damned gas mileage.
Anyways, question is, would I run a bit too lean with the 450s and the 16G? I've heard both ways, with different set ups and the same set up, so that's why I'm rather concerned.
Got Link and A'Pexi wideband to monitor just in case it does start pinging or going lean.

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550s with a 2g Maf shouldn't require all that much adjustment

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A little update on what the hell's going on with the Talon.

Running really rough a few days ago while my roommate was borrowing it to get to and from work and school. Idle fine, but then bog down to roughly 300 RPM, then shoot back up to normal. The intake gasket had a/many holes/was completely destroyed. Replaced that a few days ago.
Two days later my back left wheel fell off on Highway 10 while on my way to work. No visible damage, nothing seems tweaked.
Still idling rough, ran a code 44 Ignition coil (cylinders #1 & #4) fault. That's pretty obvious after replacing the plugs since it needed to be done anyway. No, no Iridiums just yet, just cheapo NGKs. Going to test the coil soon and replace the spark plug wires as well, adjust the BISS, check TPS, adjust throttle cable, check any other related ignition sensors.
Still have to buy manifold studs to get the 2G turbo mani on and ready, then replace some more vacuum lines just for safety and then on to some tuning...finally.

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HOW?! hahaha

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No idea how nothing got f'd up. Course, I'm happy about that since the towing company charged me $65 to life up the back end and for them to put the wheel back on. Damn roommate didn't answer his phone to get the jack at home.