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96GSXMN 07-24-2009 07:07 PM

Might be trading in my Eclipse on the Cash for Clunkers program
 
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I might be trading in my GSX for the cash for clunkers deal since my car applies (it gets under 18mpg). I have been looking at new Impalas and might be trading my GSX in since its not worth really anything. Maybe this weekend I might actually pull the trigger on it.

s1ngletracker 07-24-2009 07:10 PM

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whoa... that looks nice. Dont do it

twack 07-24-2009 08:15 PM

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please dont

mike55112 07-24-2009 08:29 PM

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What do you want for it? What will they give you?

cmspaz 07-24-2009 09:56 PM

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If its running fine, you can sell it for more than they'll give you, or better yet, keep it. Don't be dumb.

96GSXMN 07-24-2009 10:21 PM

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The salesman I was dealing with said they would give me $4,500 for it with the program. I dont know I just was thinking about it getting something that get better mpg and has more room. I mean I like my car but how could I pass on that trade in value. The whole idea of the motor being destroyed and the car being sent to scrap being disheartning, espically with all the work I just had done to that engine (mainly rebuilt)

Nightjoker7 07-24-2009 11:30 PM

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I wouldn't do it, Me and so many other people are against ths cash for clunkers program sure its good for the new car buyer, but think of all the used car dealers and the salvage yards this is hurting, when you turn a car in for the program the engine&tranny has to be destroyed and i think the cars even have to be crushed. They should be encouraging recycling and buying used parts i mean what costs more to the environment making a new part or buying a used one?

s1ngletracker 07-25-2009 12:41 AM

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no kidding. It is going to be much harder on our environment... seriously. Scrapping tons of cars, making tons of new ones. Huge impact. Liberals who contradict themselves, super. What else is new?

john 07-25-2009 12:55 AM

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F-ing do it. That car is no where near worth the $4500 trade in. I am not sure that your car will qualify however. The salesman is most likely going to sell you on a car, put in the voucher request and be denied.

Looking at cars.com, a 95 eclipse mpg is: City: 21 – 22 Highway: 27 – 32.

They don't differentiate between the turbo or AWD but the combined MPG is likely over the 18 mark. No real way to prove that it only gets XXmpg now.

I am considering it but I have the perfect vehicle for it: 88 Ford F150. Will have no issue at all qualifying. Only issue is that I already have a commuter which gets 58mpg (honda insight). Considering selling many cars and getting a new civic.

Regarding the environmental issue, that is one of the reasons they implimented the program. Want to get rid of poor emmision and MPG vehicles and try and help the economy by boosting auto sales. It is expected that they may run out of funding so if he doesn't, someone else will.

john 07-25-2009 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by s1ngletracker (Post 298652)
no kidding. It is going to be much harder on our environment... seriously. Scrapping tons of cars, making tons of new ones. Huge impact. Liberals who contradict themselves, super. What else is new?

We aren't talkig tons of cars. This is a short term project, only July - Nov. This is meant to get shitty cars off the road. They aren't just going to bury the cars, they are going to recycle them (metal is recyclable....).

slowbubblecar 07-25-2009 01:16 AM

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I only wish this started a few months sooner as I bought a new civic. Could have traded in a truck worth $800 for the credit. I could be some what against getting rid of a good car depending on what it is, but you need to do what makes the most economic sense to you. I am not sure what the physical requirements are. Maybe you could take all of the doors, fenders, hood, trunk and most of the interior out and sell them? You should look into is a little more. I am pretty sure a dsm won't get you $4,500. It also depends on how much better the new car is for mpg if I remember correctly.

NOT THE BLUE LAMPSHADE 07-25-2009 03:07 AM

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[quote=john;298653]Looking at cars.com, a 95 eclipse mpg is: City: 21 – 22 Highway: 27 – 32.

They don't differentiate between the turbo or AWD but the combined MPG is likely over the 18 mark. No real way to prove that it only gets XXmpg now./quote]

I thought it had to be like 17 or 18mpg to qualify.

Remember!!! Only $1,000,000,000.00 is going towards this!!!

john 07-25-2009 11:16 AM

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^^^ Yes, it has to get worse than 18 combined (city and highway) so I don't see how the eclipse would qualify.

SnoEclipse 07-25-2009 12:38 PM

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That driveline is pretty much irreplaceable. Any chance that you'd be able to get the $4500 after a motor/tranny pull?

Or would you be able to get the $4500 or more after a part-out?

The FedGov vouchers are the easy way out, but not the only way.

john 07-25-2009 12:56 PM

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Car must be in running condition.

tpunx99GSX 07-25-2009 10:33 PM

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it doesnt go by the factory ratings on cars.com it goes by a newer epa rating, not sure if its any different.

john 07-26-2009 03:05 AM

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Well I am assuming they are going by the EPA rating when they were new which should be similar to cars.com. Hard to adjust an EPA rating for a 14 year old car and say it is accurate.

If you can trade it, do it. My guess is that it won't be approved when they send it in. I called Hopkins Honda on Friday and dealers could get approved on Fri, vouchers aren't avail until Mon.

They give you $200 for a trade in, charge sales tax, and apply for the voucher. Then take $4300 off of the remaining balance when the vehicle is approved.

curt_gendron 07-27-2009 09:16 AM

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Please don't send a perfectly good DSM to the crusher. :(

john 07-28-2009 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by curt_gendron (Post 298801)
Please don't send a perfectly good DSM to the crusher. :(

If you had a car worth $3000 you were looking at getting rid of and could get a $4500 trade in would you do otherwise? I definitly wouldn't go through the hassle of trying to sell it and get less than I would trading it in...

I think some people are in denial about the dsm being considered a "clunker."

Any word if he did this yet? Did it qualify?

john 07-28-2009 08:22 PM

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I know this isn't an official list of acceptable cars but here is the list that edmunds.com came up with as far as eligable vehicles go:

http://www.edmunds.com/cash-for-clun...-vehicles.html

Note, 3000gt does qualify but eclipses and talons do not.

1QUICK4 07-28-2009 08:51 PM

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No wonder I can't find a decent beater truck anywhere :(

slowbubblecar 07-28-2009 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by 1QUICK4 (Post 299065)
No wonder I can't find a decent beater truck anywhere :(

John has 2 he is looking to get rid of, will most likely trade one in. Would probably keep the 95 Ram but IDK.

s1ngletracker 07-28-2009 11:31 PM

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No kidding, this is gonna be hurting the used car market a lot.. especially for the 'beater' type cars and SUVs.

Goat Blower 07-28-2009 11:57 PM

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An Eclipse won't qualify based on the mileage. See http://www.cars.gov/index.php/faq#category-07 for all the details. You also have to have had the car titled in your name for the last year as well as had insurance on said vehicle for the last year. That knocks out most of the would be traders in this situation. :rollinglaugh:

And to be honest, it's not quite as good as it appears anyways. The new car stores knew this was coming well in advance and jacked up their prices accordingly. I'm sure the brands going down the poopshoot(Chrysler, Pontiac and probably GM) are the best deals here. For example, I immediately ran over to Morrie's Nissan to look at a cheap Versa to drive for work. They have a base price of $9999. But after dealer prep, and other miscellaneous BS, the cheapest was almost $12k, no air, no radio and a stick. You want the far better looking hatchback with no options"? $15k. Thanks, I'll stick with my trusty STi that gets 21mpg all day long.

slowbubblecar 07-29-2009 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by s1ngletracker (Post 299076)
No kidding, this is gonna be hurting the used car market a lot.. especially for the 'beater' type cars and SUVs.

It will hurt the slightly used market for late model cars even more. Why by a car a year or 2 old when you can buy a new one and trade in a junker for the same price or even less. There will always be beaters around as not everyone has the money or ability to buy a new car.

john 07-29-2009 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Goat Blower (Post 299081)
An Eclipse won't qualify based on the mileage. See http://www.cars.gov/index.php/faq#category-07 for all the details. You also have to have had the car titled in your name for the last year as well as had insurance on said vehicle for the last year. That knocks out most of the would be traders in this situation. :rollinglaugh:

And to be honest, it's not quite as good as it appears anyways. The new car stores knew this was coming well in advance and jacked up their prices accordingly. I'm sure the brands going down the poopshoot(Chrysler, Pontiac and probably GM) are the best deals here. For example, I immediately ran over to Morrie's Nissan to look at a cheap Versa to drive for work. They have a base price of $9999. But after dealer prep, and other miscellaneous BS, the cheapest was almost $12k, no air, no radio and a stick. You want the far better looking hatchback with no options"? $15k. Thanks, I'll stick with my trusty STi that gets 21mpg all day long.

You can get a Versa for 10.7k (MSRP $9,990 + destination), just the sedan version. That is/was one car on my possible list. I like the hatchbacks better but they are more expensive.

This program is still a good deal and I don't see how the MSRP prices changed on any car in anticipation of the event. Sure it may limit dealer incentives on some makes but nobody jacked up the price. If you don't like it, have them order what you want. Hell it is a new car.

I am currently looking at:

honda civic
honda fit
versa (like the hatchback) but rather pay 2-3k for a honda
Yaris (prob 4 door)

I am pretty much looking for a base model to keep costs low. I do not need a new car but trading in a $800 pickup for $4500 off is a great deal. It will be hard getting rid of my honda insight (if I buy a new car). Not going to jump to make any purchase though. Prob going to get rid of a couple cars and look at a multiple trade (hopkins honda is accepting them involving an accord and/or honda insight with my clunker).

This is one hell of a deal for someone with a shitty car interested in a new one.

slowbubblecar 07-29-2009 12:28 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Goat Blower (Post 299081)
An Eclipse won't qualify based on the mileage. See http://www.cars.gov/index.php/faq#category-07 for all the details. You also have to have had the car titled in your name for the last year as well as had insurance on said vehicle for the last year. That knocks out most of the would be traders in this situation. :rollinglaugh:

And to be honest, it's not quite as good as it appears anyways. The new car stores knew this was coming well in advance and jacked up their prices accordingly. I'm sure the brands going down the poopshoot(Chrysler, Pontiac and probably GM) are the best deals here. For example, I immediately ran over to Morrie's Nissan to look at a cheap Versa to drive for work. They have a base price of $9999. But after dealer prep, and other miscellaneous BS, the cheapest was almost $12k, no air, no radio and a stick. You want the far better looking hatchback with no options"? $15k. Thanks, I'll stick with my trusty STi that gets 21mpg all day long.

Kind of looked into the versa for a friend as well. Cheapest I could find in the twin cities was around $10,700. I doubt prices were increased as there is no real incentive for dealers. It is getting towards year end and dealers want to get rid of their 09s anyhow. I bought a new civic a few months ago and the prices aren't any different. I saved $4,000 on mine actually but it was due to another reason.

96GSXMN 07-29-2009 01:17 AM

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yeah I went and the salesman I was dealing with told me my car was one mpg off so it looks like its getting a saving note. I actually have been hearing more about this program and im starting to think its and attack on the middle class but I am not going to get started. Here are some pics of some cars turned in for this cars for credit deal at one dealer. It kinda makes me sick that these cars are getting destoryed.
http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q...lunkers001.jpg

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q...lunkers003.jpg

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q...lunkers005.jpg

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q...lunkers006.jpg

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q...lunkers007.jpg

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q...lunkers008.jpg

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q...lunkers010.jpg

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q...lunkers013.jpg

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q...lunkers016.jpg

Im so glad the big O is taking all these clunkers off the streets (sarcastic)

slowbubblecar 07-29-2009 01:42 AM

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Some nice cars there. I would take the Rover, Benz SUV, or the 2000 ish ram.

s1ngletracker 07-29-2009 01:49 AM

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its just so wasteful... I can't believe it.

96GSXMN 07-29-2009 01:51 AM

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just remember this is ONE dealership. The plan is going to try and take 250,000 cars off the road...................

john 07-29-2009 02:00 AM

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I am trying to figure out what they are doing with these and cannot get very far. I know they use a solution to lockup the engine and that a salvage yard has to crush it within 180 days.

It talks about how a dealer can sell them at a salvage auction so there must be some usable parts. I am doubting they are going through the process for scrap metal (to recycle). It wouldn't make sense for the gov to just bury all these cars. Doesn't pass the smell test.

Seems that most salvage yards get rid of most of the parts to a vehicle within 180 days so I am not sure this is going to be horrible for the salvage market. If I get more time I am going to look into it but it won't affect my decision in getting rid of my old truck.

I wouldn't be suprised if the above vehicles (nicer ones) got more than the $4500. It works as a $200 scrap trade in and a $4300 voucher. A dealer getting a nicer land rover would have a larger salvage value than an 88 F150 and most likely entitle the customer to a larger than $200 scrap value.

john 07-29-2009 02:01 AM

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Double Post

Goat Blower 07-29-2009 06:53 PM

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That Land Rover isn't worth as much as you think. It's their little junky model based off the Ford Escape, and if it's got over 100k miles on it or has any problems, it's worth about $4500 anyways. I always liked those Mercedes ML's though, pretty cheap for what you get, although they are made in America and their reliability shows that.

cmspaz 07-29-2009 07:15 PM

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I like how you're perfectly fine with trading your car in to be destroyed, one we're starting to see less and less of as years pass, but shame on everyone else for destroying perfectly decent cars and trucks you see multitudes of on the road every day.

Matt D. 07-29-2009 07:44 PM

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I see quite a few SUVs in there that I want. :( This whole thing is lame.

cmspaz 07-30-2009 12:26 AM

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0IcIxhd8ks

Fucking waste.

1QUICK4 07-30-2009 03:27 AM

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That is just sad :(

96GSXMN 07-30-2009 04:13 AM

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Originally Posted by cmspaz (Post 299193)
I like how you're perfectly fine with trading your car in to be destroyed, one we're starting to see less and less of as years pass, but shame on everyone else for destroying perfectly decent cars and trucks you see multitudes of on the road every day.

Thats because I dont like my car. Its been a hassle to me since day one, that is why.It won a lottery ticket when I saved it from the scrap pile and its repaid me by being a pos. You dont want me to get started on why I dislike my car. I changed my mind about the program because I became informed and I would have no part in it.

96GSXMN 07-30-2009 04:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Goat Blower (Post 299191)
That Land Rover isn't worth as much as you think. It's their little junky model based off the Ford Escape, and if it's got over 100k miles on it or has any problems, it's worth about $4500 anyways. I always liked those Mercedes ML's though, pretty cheap for what you get, although they are made in America and their reliability shows that.


Well Ill be darned. It does look likes an escape. Never knew that. I cannot for the life of me figure out the model of Land Rover it is.


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