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scheides 07-01-2009 10:08 AM

BBK / MAP Stg3 head /DB Performance tuning Dyno Results! Pump Gas & Alky!
 
First off THANK YOU SHANE @ DB Performance for the insanely great job tuning. Every time my car comes off the rollers it just feels like a different animal on the street. Power delivery is not as peaky and much more smooth, and peak numbers are always higher than when it came in. Most importantly, it's a SAFE tune! So common to see detarded timing numbers on pump gas or E85/alky setups that may have worked when first on the dyno but not on the street day in/day out.

Second, thanks to MAP for committing to a schedule with me and sticking to it. The last thing I wanted to do was pull my head off and let it sit in their shop for weeks and weeks on end, so I was able to get in line for bob's porting magic and keep my car on the road! I checked in every week or so to get a feel of when it would be, and ended up pulling my head off on a Friday night (with my wife LOL!) delivering my stock head to them Saturday, check out the new core that was almost done being ported, and then picked it up from them monday (the swapped over my springs into the new head for me), and had the car buttoned up and running on tuesday. It got a little intense, but it honestly couldn't have gone better. The port work is top notch and the graphs below back up the work.

So, my car has been nothing but trouble in the past 4 months. First it was down on power, then when I got the power back the HG let go, and while I've managed to keep it on the street most of the time I'm glad I got it back to where I wanted it now.

Final mod list as it sits:
Buschur Racing 3" TBE w/ bullet testpipe
Buschur Racing Intake w/Perrin filter
BR Race FMIC
Custom LICP
BR Upper IC Pipe
OEM IX BOV
AMS/TMS L19 headstuds
MAP Stage 3 Ported Head
Kelford 272 cams
GSC beehive valve springs
BR Ported/Coated Exhaust Mani
CBRD BBK turbo
MAP ported/coated turbine housing
BR SS O2 Housing
BR Ported Intake Manifold w/ EGR delete
BR 65MM TB
Walbro 255HP fuel pump
4x Kracka Vent setup w/ ebay catch-can
Buschur dipstick retention spring
Aquamist HFS-1 Alky Injection Kit (1.0 + .9mm jets)
FIC 1050cc injectors
GM BCS
Evo X MAP sensor
Innovative LC-1
GM IAT
Tephra v7t6 ROM w/EGT Elim, Direct boost mods



First up, pump gas numbers: best: 388whp/342wtq The last few runs were right around 385whp, so we'll call it average of 385whp/340wtq
http://www.scheides.com/albums/evo-m...0001.sized.jpg

This is holding 25psi to ~6400rpms, tapering to 24psi @8000rpms, AFR's 11.2-11.0.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8eXi5do4Uvg&hd=1

On the IX turbo the car made ~330whp/300wtq. I made 375whp/323wtq at our spring dyno day, but if you look at the graph there was a small peak, so average power/tq was about 368whp/320wtq. This is exactly what I expected out of the BBK. Now, the car was NEVER FULLY TUNED on that setup, so we'll honestly never know if tuning or the ported head (IMHO it's both) bumped power up to where it is now, ~385whp/340wtq. On pump gas, the car feels like a new animal on the streets! Power everywhere and the just wants to go go go go!

After a short break, it was time to flip the alky back on. I really haven't ran it since the spring dyno day, my car just PUKED coolant everywhere due to the HG issue. I have basically been limping the car by running just pump gas, no alky/high boost for the past 7 weeks and honestly I have been considering just leaving the alky off forever. The car is so fun, I could rip it out and use the money towards an orbital double din kit or some such nonsense.

Weellllllll, needless to say IDK if that will happen :D Alky on, 25psi (same tables as pump gas), the car made 396whp, first run. Each run shane tweaked timing and finally we turned boost back up when Jim (TalonEvo) showed up. Thanks guys for giving me the confidence in my new setup! It was just epic. Next run 399 (shane had been giving me sh1t over this number). Then 406. Then 411. Then 416. Then 420. Then 426. Then 431.2. Then 431.9. Then finally 432.6! Peak boost was a tad over 30psi, AFR's in the mid to high 11's.

Mid-tuning video, check out the flames!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyG0I2HSck4&hd=1


Here's the best run: 432whp/394wtq !!!
http://www.scheides.com/albums/evo-m...0004.sized.jpg

http://www.scheides.com/albums/evo-m...0005.sized.jpg
Here's boost curve w/ rpm--we kept loosing tach signal mid-pull:
http://www.scheides.com/albums/evo-m...0007.sized.jpg

Video from the 432whp pulls (that's TalonEvo in the green giving me the thumbs up!):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_bJ3St9xdU&hd=1


Since I've had issues in the past, I wanted a little extra safety in this tune, so after all was said and done, shane pulled out 2°*of timing across the board and the car left with 420whp.

Who needs a big turbo or E85 to make power? Not me! :D THANK YOU everyone who has helped me with this car! I'm not going to lie--it's had it's share of issues, and I'm sure it will continue to do so, but I'm SO SO SO happy with it!

Swifty1638 07-01-2009 10:11 AM

Re: BBK / MAP Stg3 head /DB Performance tuning Dyno Results! Pump Gas & Alky!
 
I cannot wait for a ride in this. It makes me rethink everything i've ever expected from a car.

Kracka 07-01-2009 10:19 AM

Re: BBK / MAP Stg3 head /DB Performance tuning Dyno Results! Pump Gas & Alky!
 
Great numbers! I'm glad your car has stopped being so cranky and you are once again happy!

Quote:

Originally Posted by scheides (Post 296142)
thanks to MAP for committing to a schedule with me and sticking to it. The last thing I wanted to do was pull my head off and let it sit in their shop for weeks and weeks on end

LOL Like Shawn's nearly 7-week wait? Consider yourself lucky ;)

rose0529 07-01-2009 10:22 AM

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Awesome! Glad to see you make the power you been expecting! like swifty said... I def can't wait to have a ride!

DoughtCom 07-01-2009 10:24 AM

Re: BBK / MAP Stg3 head /DB Performance tuning Dyno Results! Pump Gas & Alky!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kracka (Post 296146)
LOL like Shawn's nearly 7 week wait?

Yeah it did. With that said, I've had smoother transactions in the past with them but this was really a downer. It's shitty you have to wait to leave town to help me get my Evo running.


Glad to see your car making power Scheides! I NEED a ride in it soon.

scheides 07-01-2009 10:25 AM

Re: BBK / MAP Stg3 head /DB Performance tuning Dyno Results! Pump Gas & Alky!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kracka (Post 296146)
LOL like Shawn's nearly 7 week wait? Consider yourself lucky ;)

Exactly. Stuff happens and I didn't want to be w/o my car for even half that time so I just kept poking them every week or so to keep track of their schedule. When they said to pull my head, I did.

Swifty1638 07-01-2009 10:31 AM

Re: BBK / MAP Stg3 head /DB Performance tuning Dyno Results! Pump Gas & Alky!
 
lol, these last 2 months I've been poking and prodding at everyone at MAP via calls or texts. Bill now HATES me. I understand they are busy though, as any good shop should be. I'm just a very impatient person, and don't care to wait around.

A//// Guy 07-01-2009 10:43 AM

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SICK!! Awesome power dude!

TkrPerformance 07-01-2009 10:45 AM

Re: BBK / MAP Stg3 head /DB Performance tuning Dyno Results! Pump Gas & Alky!
 
way to go now leave it alone for a while

awd-drifter 07-01-2009 11:12 AM

Re: BBK / MAP Stg3 head /DB Performance tuning Dyno Results! Pump Gas & Alky!
 
awesome numbers man! i want a ride too! ;) good stuff man!

ylimert01 07-01-2009 11:30 AM

Re: BBK / MAP Stg3 head /DB Performance tuning Dyno Results! Pump Gas & Alky!
 
sweeet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! thats amazing! I would prolly kill myself with that much power.

Shane@DBPerformance 07-01-2009 11:54 AM

Re: BBK / MAP Stg3 head /DB Performance tuning Dyno Results! Pump Gas & Alky!
 
When you gonna upgrade to an FP Red? :)

At-Least-It's-An-Evo 07-01-2009 12:00 PM

Re: BBK / MAP Stg3 head /DB Performance tuning Dyno Results! Pump Gas & Alky!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ecoli (Post 296161)
When you gonna upgrade to an FP Red? :)

That's what i was thinking too, that sure it a lotta extra parts to make that Red power! Good #s though.

scheides 07-01-2009 12:35 PM

Re: BBK / MAP Stg3 head /DB Performance tuning Dyno Results! Pump Gas & Alky!
 
Heh, it's a wash. The head may not have added much power and the IM/TB for sure don't lend much either. Other than that, that's all I have over the local FP red guys, and I'm making similar power on less boost, with better bottom end. Oh, and I didn't have to wait 4+ weeks for it, or have a fancy custom compressor cover. Or a new intake. Or a special oil line. Or an upgraded WGA for that matter. If you weigh in the little stuff that it takes to run a FP Red, it's absolutely a wash.

trunks11 07-01-2009 12:40 PM

Re: BBK / MAP Stg3 head /DB Performance tuning Dyno Results! Pump Gas & Alky!
 
Crap I was down there yesterday when the white evo was on the rollers. I would have stuck around and watched the show if I'd have known.

scheides 07-01-2009 01:51 PM

Re: BBK / MAP Stg3 head /DB Performance tuning Dyno Results! Pump Gas & Alky!
 
All the MAP comments can go into a review thread, not here please. Shawn, if you want to write one you are more than welcome to. At the end of the day I'm super happy with the product and I'm guessing you will be to :)

Kracka 07-01-2009 01:53 PM

Re: BBK / MAP Stg3 head /DB Performance tuning Dyno Results! Pump Gas & Alky!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by scheides (Post 296189)
All the MAP comments can go into a review thread, not here please. Shawn, if you want to write one you are more than welcome to. At the end of the day I'm super happy with the product and I'm guessing you will be to :)

Posts moved.

jhaan_dude 07-01-2009 01:56 PM

Re: BBK / MAP Stg3 head /DB Performance tuning Dyno Results! Pump Gas & Alky!
 
nice numbers! im glad your evo is much happier!

v8klla 07-01-2009 02:39 PM

Re: BBK / MAP Stg3 head /DB Performance tuning Dyno Results! Pump Gas & Alky!
 
Would you kindly move the comments that lead to my response as well?

1ViciousGSX 07-01-2009 02:52 PM

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Nice job!!

scheides 07-01-2009 03:00 PM

Re: BBK / MAP Stg3 head /DB Performance tuning Dyno Results! Pump Gas & Alky!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TkrPerformance (Post 296152)
way to go now leave it alone for a while

Pot, quit calling me black!

-Kettle :)

polishmafia 07-01-2009 03:26 PM

Re: BBK / MAP Stg3 head /DB Performance tuning Dyno Results! Pump Gas & Alky!
 
Nice numbers, Scheides! :D

mike55112 07-01-2009 03:52 PM

Re: BBK / MAP Stg3 head /DB Performance tuning Dyno Results! Pump Gas & Alky!
 
Thats fucking awesome. Your making me want a stock 2.0 again.

scheides 07-01-2009 04:23 PM

Re: BBK / MAP Stg3 head /DB Performance tuning Dyno Results! Pump Gas & Alky!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mike55112 (Post 296213)
Thats fucking awesome. Your making me want a stock 2.0 again.

Kinda puts your 4088 setup to shame eh? ;)

At-Least-It's-An-Evo 07-01-2009 04:24 PM

Re: BBK / MAP Stg3 head /DB Performance tuning Dyno Results! Pump Gas & Alky!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by scheides (Post 296217)
Kinda puts your 4088 setup to shame eh? ;)

His 4088 setup made like 57x.xx at DB. So I wouldn't say so.

DoughtCom 07-01-2009 04:36 PM

Re: BBK / MAP Stg3 head /DB Performance tuning Dyno Results! Pump Gas & Alky!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by At-Least-It's-An-Evo (Post 296218)
His 4088 setup made like 57x.xx at DB. So I wouldn't say so.

your mom made 57xx.xx!

At-Least-It's-An-Evo 07-01-2009 04:37 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DoughtCom (Post 296221)
your mom made 57xx.xx!

So did your 7 week head.

DoughtCom 07-01-2009 04:39 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by At-Least-It's-An-Evo (Post 296222)
So did your 7 week head.

don't be jealous of my quick turnaround!

scheides 07-01-2009 04:41 PM

Re: BBK / MAP Stg3 head /DB Performance tuning Dyno Results! Pump Gas & Alky!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by At-Least-It's-An-Evo (Post 296218)
His 4088 setup made like 57x.xx at DB. So I wouldn't say so.

I said his 4088 setup as in on his car, not his 4088 setup on a car that actually made the 57xx sucka ;) For that matter, I just bested his HTA37R setup to boot! It's an unfair comparison though, because he was having issues. We all have issues sooner or later. Usually sooner than later for me, or others trying to make this much or more power. I was merely commenting on the powerband cher, I think I have about double the powerband as his hta37 or 4088 ever had when it was on his car. No more, no less. Just a little dust kicking ;)

scheides 07-01-2009 04:49 PM

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In case it isn't clear cher, I give your response a:

meh.

mike55112 07-01-2009 05:19 PM

Re: BBK / MAP Stg3 head /DB Performance tuning Dyno Results! Pump Gas & Alky!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by scheides (Post 296225)
I said his 4088 setup as in on his car, not his 4088 setup on a car that actually made the 57xx sucka ;) For that matter, I just bested his HTA37R setup to boot! It's an unfair comparison though, because he was having issues. We all have issues sooner or later. Usually sooner than later for me, or others trying to make this much or more power. I was merely commenting on the powerband cher, I think I have about double the powerband as his hta37 or 4088 ever had when it was on his car. No more, no less. Just a little dust kicking ;)


Actually my 4088 setup made 524 on pump at 24 psi. I only ran 18 because I didnt buy the ignition system that it had on it first. Now Por is making over 600 with my old 4088 setup on his 2.0 Now with my fp white im making 458/473 at map so right around 400/400 at db. Thats only at 25 psi and my tial bov leaking a bunch, the spring is the wrong one for my vacuum at idle. But im very impressed with the bbk setup you got there, I was thinking about going with the red but now I think I may go with the bbk.

scheides 07-01-2009 06:20 PM

Re: BBK / MAP Stg3 head /DB Performance tuning Dyno Results! Pump Gas & Alky!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mike55112 (Post 296231)
Actually my 4088 setup made 524 on pump at 24 psi. I only ran 18 because I didnt buy the ignition system that it had on it first. Now Por is making over 600 with my old 4088 setup on his 2.0 Now with my fp white im making 458/473 at map so right around 400/400 at db. Thats only at 25 psi and my tial bov leaking a bunch, the spring is the wrong one for my vacuum at idle. But im very impressed with the bbk setup you got there, I was thinking about going with the red but now I think I may go with the bbk.

On your car? I thought you never only made over 458. Anyways, I didn't mean much by the comment, just some playful jabs :D

Halon 07-01-2009 06:23 PM

Re: BBK / MAP Stg3 head /DB Performance tuning Dyno Results! Pump Gas & Alky!
 
Nice numbers dude. Although I think a gloss black VC would have netted you 450hp

Kevin 1G Drummer 07-01-2009 06:49 PM

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Very nice numbers! Congrats!

311evo 07-01-2009 07:03 PM

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Great Job! Now I need Ride asap! :)

scheides 07-01-2009 07:15 PM

Re: BBK / MAP Stg3 head /DB Performance tuning Dyno Results! Pump Gas & Alky!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Halon (Post 296240)
Nice numbers dude. Although I think a gloss black VC would have netted you 450hp

Hell yes! That's next on my list actually, just need a few weeks w/o wrenching to get my motivation back up ;)

FattyBoomBatty 07-01-2009 08:09 PM

Re: BBK / MAP Stg3 head /DB Performance tuning Dyno Results! Pump Gas & Alky!
 
That's sweet, I want a ride again. I also want to retune my car again ;)

awd-drifter 07-01-2009 09:26 PM

Re: BBK / MAP Stg3 head /DB Performance tuning Dyno Results! Pump Gas & Alky!
 
just put in Liquid Cesium instead of the Alky...that always seems to "fire" up things up better. lol ;) that video of your evo is totally awesome btw. any plans on bringing it to the 1/4?

scheides 07-01-2009 11:01 PM

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^heh, no thx ;) No 1/4 mile track plans, street car, DD, I'm gonna keep it that way.

slowbubblecar 07-02-2009 12:13 AM

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Nice numbers.


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