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cmspaz 06-12-2009 01:34 PM
TMIC on a DSM? Crazy!
 
http://www.orldsm.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13236

If he's really seeing the temp gains he's claiming and getting boost as low as he's claiming, this could be huge. It won't stop me from getting an FMIC, but still, props to this guy.

Nartanian 06-12-2009 02:05 PM
Re: TMIC on a DSM? Crazy!
 
Wow that's crazy! The piping is really short too.

Halon 06-12-2009 02:06 PM
Re: TMIC on a DSM? Crazy!
 
Cool that he's trying something a little different than the norm.

123abc 06-12-2009 02:11 PM
Re: TMIC on a DSM? Crazy!
 
It's like a real shaker hood scoop.


I bet he has good response with that setup...

Constant_Project21 06-12-2009 02:13 PM
Re: TMIC on a DSM? Crazy!
 
Oooo I wanna do this. Would be sweet for a rally app, wouldn't have to worry about recking a front mount. That's a super short route intercooler. Can only imagine the response.

4g63tcrazy 06-12-2009 02:21 PM
Re: TMIC on a DSM? Crazy!
 
I'd rather run no intercooler, meth injection and E85..

turbotalon1g 06-12-2009 03:38 PM
Re: TMIC on a DSM? Crazy!
 
^english racing style? lol

4g63tcrazy 06-12-2009 03:39 PM
Re: TMIC on a DSM? Crazy!
 
Is that who did it? I know there is a 16g car running 30psi like that and holding 30 til redline. Screw the intercooler and let meth injection be the IC..

MustGoFaster 06-12-2009 03:51 PM
Re: TMIC on a DSM? Crazy!
 
Temp drop of 120F means jack shit. (unless he's talking about compared to other IC systems) Final temp, is what's important.

CVD 06-12-2009 05:01 PM
Re: TMIC on a DSM? Crazy!
 
I'm skeptical of anything that allows air to enter the engine bay without passing through the radiator. DSMs have cooling problems enough as it is.

123abc 06-12-2009 05:45 PM
Re: TMIC on a DSM? Crazy!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by CVD (Post 294185)
I'm skeptical of anything that allows air to enter the engine bay without passing through the radiator. DSMs have cooling problems enough as it is.
How do DSM's have more of a cooling issue than other cars?

dumb_ricer 06-12-2009 06:03 PM
Re: TMIC on a DSM? Crazy!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 123abc (Post 294188)
How do DSM's have more of a cooling issue than other cars?
They tend to make more power than other cars.

Halon 06-12-2009 06:41 PM
Re: TMIC on a DSM? Crazy!
 
Closed deck cast iron blocks probably don't help either.

HiImBrian 06-12-2009 06:45 PM
Re: TMIC on a DSM? Crazy!
 
This is a great idea. Only drawback I can see is that you are limited to a somewhat smaller intercooler. If I ever stumble upon a 1g and feel the need to make it into a race car I'd totally try this.

Constant_Project21 06-12-2009 06:57 PM
Re: TMIC on a DSM? Crazy!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 4g63tcrazy (Post 294176)
Is that who did it? I know there is a 16g car running 30psi like that and holding 30 til redline. Screw the intercooler and let meth injection be the IC..
Yep that was english racing that did that, they ran low 10's with it. Was an automatic. Makes me want to find a cheap auto awd dsm and do that. Maybe throw some of those neat paddle shifters on there too.

4g63tcrazy 06-12-2009 07:05 PM
Re: TMIC on a DSM? Crazy!
 
I just sold my auto panda bone stock for $1700!! I was gonna keep it for my track car cause the auto bug started to hit me. Especially once I saw the stock auto tranny go 9.5....

123abc 06-12-2009 07:44 PM
Re: TMIC on a DSM? Crazy!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Halon (Post 294199)
Closed deck cast iron blocks probably don't help either.
I'm just wondering because the only time I've had a problem with over-heating was when my fan relay took a dump. I wired it to a switch inside and it's been good since, with a fmic, and the stock oil cooler in the stock location. No a/c fan.

Shane@DBPerformance 06-12-2009 08:33 PM
Re: TMIC on a DSM? Crazy!
 
Dude, the temps are 10 degrees below ambient too without any extra help. I also heard if he goes 88mph that it goes back in time.

Quote:
Originally Posted by MustGoFaster (Post 294177)
Temp drop of 120F means jack shit. (unless he's talking about compared to other IC systems) Final temp, is what's important.

twack 06-12-2009 08:52 PM
Re: TMIC on a DSM? Crazy!
 
somewhere this has been done before. I remember a thread about the most ghettofied DSM and it had the sidemount in the place where that top mount was and it had both front and back window sprayers squirting onto the intercooler. I know there is more but i got to find the pic its like that engine bay gone wrong

Pushit2.0 06-13-2009 12:55 AM
Re: TMIC on a DSM? Crazy!
 
We can only hope they go back far enough to forget why they thought this would be cool and work better then a nice FMIC.

cmspaz 06-13-2009 01:21 PM
Re: TMIC on a DSM? Crazy!
 
Supposedly he's getting 2-3psi by 1800 with the piping that short. If that's truly the case, fuck anti-lag.

twack 06-13-2009 01:44 PM
Re: TMIC on a DSM? Crazy!
 
why not just run no intercooler like crazy said with meth. Its been done and works. Now that will be the best system with the least amount of lag

4g63tcrazy 06-13-2009 01:49 PM
Re: TMIC on a DSM? Crazy!
 
Maybe I'll sell my front mount and use that money to buy a meth kit. Then get my 16g back and run 30psi til redline. Sounds like a plan to me!

CVD 06-13-2009 06:51 PM
Re: TMIC on a DSM? Crazy!
 
I had piping that short in the Colt when I had no intercooler. I didn't notice significantly slower spool when I added a sidemount IC in the stock DSM location.

FattyBoomBatty 06-14-2009 11:09 AM
Re: TMIC on a DSM? Crazy!
 
No intercooler would be nice.

goodhart 06-14-2009 08:00 PM
Re: TMIC on a DSM? Crazy!
 
IDK, this looks like an awesome idea to me, it looks like an old guy is doing it too which more than likely gives him no reason to lie about how welll it does or doesn't perform like a younger person might do. It limits the size of intercooler sure, but it's original, very well done, and as far as we know it performs well. This guy has made a whole bunch of cool shit right in his garage too I think its pretty cool what he's doing


Quote:
Originally Posted by CVD (Post 294185)
I'm skeptical of anything that allows air to enter the engine bay without passing through the radiator. DSMs have cooling problems enough as it is.
I don't get it, he moved the intercooler, the radiator didn't move....



EDIT: more info I found on the IAT's


Quote:
Originally Posted by JAXWHITE1G on orlando DSM
As posted earlier I got some data on the efficency of my intercooler. I have done some Research Diving in the past and was trained to collect scientific data for study. But I was not tought to interpret it. I do know that the data collected is not good data. there were to many inconsistancies to be accurate. All were done on a long highway on ramp and posted speed was not exceeded. But traffic made it difficult to repeat experiments and the low speed ranges are passed by so quickly it was difficult to lock the temps at the right time to get good readings. I did learn one thing. I need a cold air intake system.
The first test was acceleration and highway cruise no boost.
outsid air temp 76 Deg
mph - inlet temp - outlet temp
20 - 131 - 91
30 - 135 - 97
40 - 135 - 95
50 - 144 - 93
60 - 147 - 93
70 - 161 - 100

15lbs boost
mph - inlet temp - outlet temp
20 - 248 - 131
30 - xxx - xxx
40 - 262 - 138
50 - 257 - 134
60 - 302 - 159
70 - 331 - 174
These were averaged after several runs and I was so unhappy with the difficulty of getting acurate data that I forgot to test with the water sprayers on. I will do some testing again late at night when there is less traffic and I can get some more consistant data.
Also I was WRONG on the temp drop at idle. My data is collected in celcius and I have to convert to farenheit. My calculations were wrong the average temp is 10 above ambiant but will not go above that even idling for ten minutes.
I promised good or bad I would post the numbers so here they are. Tell me what you think!

Goat Blower 06-14-2009 11:12 PM
Re: TMIC on a DSM? Crazy!
 
This isn't exactly new, even on a DSM. Luckily my daily hooptie has a TMIC from the factory, it must be cool!

DoughtCom 06-15-2009 12:02 AM
Re: TMIC on a DSM? Crazy!
 
I'm having a hard time with this, it just gives the intake track a big piece of aluminum to heat soak. There's a reason Subaru guys go to FMIC when they start to make serious power (yeah I know, those two don't go well in the same sentence together), then again I also have an FMIC big enough to smuggle Mexicans across the border in.

CVD 06-15-2009 08:48 AM
Re: TMIC on a DSM? Crazy!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by goodhart (Post 294349)
I don't get it, he moved the intercooler, the radiator didn't move....
You're forcing air into the engine bay behind the radiator and increasing the overall air pressure in the engine bay. This means less air will be going through the radiator.

Constant_Project21 06-15-2009 09:52 AM
Re: TMIC on a DSM? Crazy!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by DoughtCom (Post 294375)
...then again I also have an FMIC big enough to smuggle Mexicans across the border in.
Bahahahahaa
Anyways I think it would be even better with a co2 spray kit on the tmic, that would be some serious air cooling.

goodhart 06-15-2009 11:36 AM
Re: TMIC on a DSM? Crazy!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by CVD (Post 294388)
You're forcing air into the engine bay behind the radiator and increasing the overall air pressure in the engine bay. This means less air will be going through the radiator.
I don't see how it could be much worse than putting a big FMIC right in front of the radiator though, Subaru's seem to do it without cooling issues, but then again I don't know much about aerodynamics either

Goat Blower 06-15-2009 08:41 PM
Re: TMIC on a DSM? Crazy!
 
Actually, I think it would work just fine, probably not for serious power though. Now if you did some kind of ducting below it and around the tranny with a suction fan, now you'd have something.

goodhart 06-15-2009 09:19 PM
Re: TMIC on a DSM? Crazy!
 
Sounds like it does have some ducting, but ya probably not for any serious power.

Quote:
Originally Posted by JAXWHITE1G
The fan is shrouded and pulls down. It is a radiator fan from a honda Civic and pulls a great deal of air. With the scoop removed you can feel air being drawn from a couple inches above the intercooler.
Mike

viridionplague 06-15-2009 09:58 PM
Re: TMIC on a DSM? Crazy!
 
i think this would be great for a mean street car, and i think it would help smaller turbos trying to fill aftermarket intercooler piping, might not be a huge increase but should be decent, then running meth if you really want bigger

Shane@DBPerformance 06-16-2009 12:02 PM
Re: TMIC on a DSM? Crazy!
 
His outlet temps are horrible. Air temps above 130 degrees are quite bad. A decent setup should be be 80-110 degrees at 70mph with ambient temps of 76. I have only ever seen 170+ on non-intercooled cars.

Kracka 06-16-2009 12:28 PM
Re: TMIC on a DSM? Crazy!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ecoli (Post 294503)
His outlet temps are horrible. Air temps above 130 degrees are quite bad.
Sounds about inline with Subaru temps. We all know how great those are ;) As Shawn said, there is a reason Subaru guys go with FMIC setups instead.

viridionplague 06-16-2009 12:36 PM
Re: TMIC on a DSM? Crazy!
 
nvm me then, thats f-n horrible, i never knew much about intake temps till now, guess you learn something every day

MustGoFaster 06-16-2009 01:01 PM
Re: TMIC on a DSM? Crazy!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ecoli (Post 294503)
His outlet temps are horrible. Air temps above 130 degrees are quite bad. A decent setup should be be 80-110 degrees at 70mph with ambient temps of 76. I have only ever seen 170+ on non-intercooled cars.
Yup, crap tastic. I got temps up in that range (170) running 18PSI on my stock SMIC's. Now with my over sized FMIC they are about 15 degrees over ambient at about the same boost level.

goodhart 06-16-2009 05:19 PM
Re: TMIC on a DSM? Crazy!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by viridionplague (Post 294505)
nvm me then, thats f-n horrible, i never knew much about intake temps till now, guess you learn something every day
me too

Gravy 06-16-2009 05:42 PM
Re: TMIC on a DSM? Crazy!
 
I remember seeing a guy Running E-85 and no IC on a DSM with a very large turbo(20g i think) running only about 16-18psi to keep the temps down some and did very well knock/intake temps. I thought about short routing my Stealth for one day with E-85 but after feeling my intake air temp coming out of the bov after a decently long day.... i started to think maybe it was a horrible idea.

Gotta admit, you don't see a TMIC very often on cars other than subby's.

Better than this car(Weird use of a DSM SMIC):
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i252/JgGravy/img.jpg

Or this one(TMIC on a Civic FTW!):
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i252/JgGravy/smic.jpg


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