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4g63tcrazy 06-10-2009 09:00 PM

16g compressor housing on a 14b REVIEW
 
Well I know there have been some question's about a 16g compressor housing on a 14b and since my 16g decided to let go, I picked up a used 14b from Dan (Constant Project). I put the ported 7cm housing from the 16g I had on there and I also put the 16g compressor housing on it. Here is a picture of the gap between the compressor fins and the housing..

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/d...urbofingap.jpg

As for the results.. I'm running a steady 20psi til redline. But the turbo doesn't hit full spool til 4700. Yes I said 4700rpm.. In my case this is good though! (FWD) I can actually get decent traction now in 1st and 2nd gear. The turbo also doesn't sound like a turbo at all. It sounds more like rushing air, no whistle to it. The car still pulls very hard but I haven't had much time to do any good tuning with it. Right now my a/f is ranging from 11.3 to 12.1 or so with about 20 degree's' of peak timing. I haven't had any time to really dial it in. My goal is to get it up to 25psi so I'll report back once I do and actually have some time to tune it.

Gravy 06-10-2009 10:54 PM

Re: 16g compressor housing on a 14b REVIEW
 
That's what i always figured would happen, i have a 16g wheel and an 18g turbo and do plan on going with the 18g wheel, but always wondered how it would work. Keep us up to date, looking forward to how well it works.

Gravy

4g63tcrazy 06-10-2009 10:58 PM

Re: 16g compressor housing on a 14b REVIEW
 
Yeah, it's a bit laggy but it fits my car very nicely. With the 16g it would just hit 30psi instantly and I would just spin all over the place. So it's definatly a nice change. I'll have to take a video of me doing a quick pull and post it up.

twack 06-11-2009 12:34 AM

Re: 16g compressor housing on a 14b REVIEW
 
toss a 16g wheel on there and get it balanced and i bet it will spool awesome

Super Bleeder!! 06-11-2009 01:13 AM

Re: 16g compressor housing on a 14b REVIEW
 
is that gap between the inducer and the cover as big as it looks?

Constant_Project21 06-11-2009 01:36 AM

Re: 16g compressor housing on a 14b REVIEW
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by twack (Post 294003)
toss a 16g wheel on there and get it balanced and i bet it will spool awesome

then it would just be 16g..lol. 16g compressor+16g wheel+ported 16g housing= ported 16g...if my math is correct.

Shane@DBPerformance 06-11-2009 02:09 AM

Re: 16g compressor housing on a 14b REVIEW
 
The bigger the gap between the compressor wheel and housing the less efficient the compressor wheel becomes. That thing has to be spinning like crazy trying to make boost, but at least it won't compressor surge.

Gravy 06-11-2009 03:09 AM

Re: 16g compressor housing on a 14b REVIEW
 
I do have a 16g wheel if you want one. Would complete the turbo!

4g63tcrazy 06-11-2009 07:25 AM

Re: 16g compressor housing on a 14b REVIEW
 
I already have a 16g wheel I could put on here if I wanted to go that route. But I don't plan on it. Yeah the gap is pretty much as big as it looks and yeah my boost controller is cranked down pretty good to achieve the boost level I'm at. I'm just gonna try and hit 25psi with it, tune it, and then probably put the 14b compressor housing back on.

Kevin 1G Drummer 06-11-2009 08:44 AM

Re: 16g compressor housing on a 14b REVIEW
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ecoli (Post 294015)
That thing has to be spinning like crazy trying to make boost, but at least it won't compressor surge.

That's what I was thinking. It kinda makes you wonder how long it will last like that before the bearings decide to let go.

123abc 06-11-2009 09:02 AM

Re: 16g compressor housing on a 14b REVIEW
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 4g63tcrazy (Post 294021)
I already have a 16g wheel I could put on here if I wanted to go that route. But I don't plan on it. Yeah the gap is pretty much as big as it looks and yeah my boost controller is cranked down pretty good to achieve the boost level I'm at. I'm just gonna try and hit 25psi with it, tune it, and then probably put the 14b compressor housing back on.

I don't think that turbo would last long spinning that fast. I had entertained the thought of doing that and I believe I even posted it here. Obviously I decided against it, I'm going to try my luck with a chine e3 16g.


Do post up a video though. :)

scheides 06-11-2009 09:18 AM

Re: 16g compressor housing on a 14b REVIEW
 
+1 on the turbo working its nuts off to create boost! I hope it doesn't grenade on you. Cool that when the bearings start to go it can be extra super sloppy shaft play and not ding up the compressor fins :D

s1ngletracker 06-11-2009 10:16 AM

Re: 16g compressor housing on a 14b REVIEW
 
yeah, way to totally mess up the design of the turbo. :)

asshanson 06-11-2009 10:35 AM

Re: 16g compressor housing on a 14b REVIEW
 
Haha, if you wanted lag, just get a 50 trim or something?

4g63tcrazy 06-11-2009 02:10 PM

Re: 16g compressor housing on a 14b REVIEW
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by scheides (Post 294033)
Cool that when the bearings start to go it can be extra super sloppy shaft play and not ding up the compressor fins :D

Exactly! lol

Quote:

Originally Posted by asshanson (Post 294040)
Haha, if you wanted lag, just get a 50 trim or something?

I put up a WTB add for a turbo and noone really had anything good. I was really interested in the frank4 that was for sale but Mark picked that up. So then I just got a stock turbo and used the rest of the money to buy ecmlink!

Gravy 06-11-2009 03:06 PM

Re: 16g compressor housing on a 14b REVIEW
 
I have an 18g CHRA with no wheel laying around, but i'm still holding onto that baby for a future "Project" and a rebuild. 20g on a FWD is a nice combo, got to ride in one up north a while back, the lag although not bad, is enough to give your tires a chance to hook up. After boost though, it's up in the air.

4g63tcrazy 06-11-2009 03:10 PM

Re: 16g compressor housing on a 14b REVIEW
 
Yeah traction is always gonna be a problem.. That's why I put 18's on the car! (sarcasm)

Kracka 06-11-2009 03:15 PM

Re: 16g compressor housing on a 14b REVIEW
 
Jeez. At least put the 14b compressor cover back on.

4g63tcrazy 06-11-2009 03:17 PM

Re: 16g compressor housing on a 14b REVIEW
 
If you read my posts above I plan to put it back on. But why not be the ginnie pig and do a review for the people who are wondering?

asshanson 06-11-2009 03:30 PM

Re: 16g compressor housing on a 14b REVIEW
 
Put a 20g cover on it and see if it makes any boost at all, lol.

scheides 06-11-2009 03:40 PM

Re: 16g compressor housing on a 14b REVIEW
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 4g63tcrazy (Post 294079)
If you read my posts above I plan to put it back on. But why not be the ginnie pig and do a review for the people who are wondering?

Fo sho. Now put the 14b cover back on until you get a 20G. A TD05 would prolly be a really nice combo for your car.

Gravy 06-11-2009 03:49 PM

Re: 16g compressor housing on a 14b REVIEW
 
I can put the 16g wheel on and the 18g housing, and looks like the 14b in the first picture, but bigger and newer wheel. Made me mad when i first ordered the wheel thinking they screwed me out and sent the wrong wheel. I took it into work along with the comp housing. Found out the damn thing was an 18g, i went from mad... to somewhat happy and perplexed. I was planning on a 16g/14b stealth, now i'd have to go with a 16g/18g stealth, and shortly after a new motor.

4g63tcrazy 06-11-2009 04:17 PM

Re: 16g compressor housing on a 14b REVIEW
 
I will be running the stock turbo for quite awhile. My choices were.. Newer bigger turbo and no ecmlink or ecmlink and stock turbo. Noone had a decent sized turbo for sale so I just ended up getting ecmlink and the stock turbo.

twack 06-11-2009 05:10 PM

Re: 16g compressor housing on a 14b REVIEW
 
so why not just make that 16g out of the wheel you have, it will be better then the 14b and super cheap to balance

4g63tcrazy 06-11-2009 07:46 PM

Re: 16g compressor housing on a 14b REVIEW
 
Caaaaaaauuuuuuusee I had one day to put the car together. I came home from IL with a ride from my roommate so I could put the 14b onto my car and have a car to drive back to IL. I realise what my options are and I was perfectly fine with running the 14b. I never once said I wish I still had the 16g. Then I decided, hey why not try swapping the compressor housing too while I'm at it and do a review about it. So that is what I did.

4g63tcrazy 06-12-2009 04:50 PM

Re: 16g compressor housing on a 14b REVIEW
 
Well 20psi is the max limit with this housing on it. I cranked the boost controller and it didn't change it any. After watching the boost gauge more it hits full spool at more like 4300-4500rpm not 4700. Here is a shitty pull vid that my friend took with my phone. Hopefully I'll actually get a decent one soon!

In the video you actually get a pretty good view of the tach. You can watch it to get an idea of when the turbo spools. I sure wish I had a turbo this laggy.. I get soo much better traction!

10mph-70ish mph
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/d...0611091746.jpg

scheides 06-12-2009 06:45 PM

Re: 16g compressor housing on a 14b REVIEW
 
W/e you did what you had to to get the car back on the road, nothing aweful with that.I say put a 14b cover back on there and rock it untill you can afford a 20g or something.

4g63tcrazy 06-12-2009 07:03 PM

Re: 16g compressor housing on a 14b REVIEW
 
^^^ That's the plan!


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